The Waltons aka Advanced Half Marathon Training Thread - 2022 edition (Read 421 times)

Marky_Mark_17


    This from Garmin's website:

     

    GPS location accuracy is around 3 meters (10 feet), 95% of the time on Garmin devices. This means, at any given time, your device will save your location within 3 meters of your actual location. If your device is recording a GPS location every second and you do not pause an activity while standing still, your device can record up to 180 meters (590 ft) in just 1 minute.

     

    So, 5% of the time it could be out by more than 3 meters.  Of course, it would have to be consistently out in the same direction to have a significant impact, but I think the second sentence highlights how significant GPS error could be if it was consistently in the same direction.

    3,000m: 9:07.7 (Nov-21) | 5,000m: 15:39 (Dec-19) | 10,000m: 32:34 (Mar-20)  

    10km: 33:15 (Sep-19) | HM: 1:09:41 (May-21)* | FM: 2:41:41 (Oct-20)

    * Net downhill course

    Last race: Run the Point 10k, 27 Nov, 35:00, 1st overall

    Up next: Speights West Coaster, 10 Dec

    "CONSISTENCY IS KING"

    DavePNW


       

      Fred - I'm pretty sure that PR is the typical U.S. usage and PB is used in most other English-speaking countries (not sure about Canada).

       

      Huh, I accidentally popped into this thread and immediately learned something new. I thought they were basically interchangeable, and it was just personal preference. I always use PR for race times, but sometimes PB for other things, e.g, a weekly mileage PB. However I think I might have just come up with that on my own and no one else does it. 🤷‍♂️

      Dave

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        Fredford66


        Running Musician

          This from Garmin's website:

           

          GPS location accuracy is around 3 meters (10 feet), 95% of the time on Garmin devices. This means, at any given time, your device will save your location within 3 meters of your actual location. If your device is recording a GPS location every second and you do not pause an activity while standing still, your device can record up to 180 meters (590 ft) in just 1 minute.

           

          So, 5% of the time it could be out by more than 3 meters.  Of course, it would have to be consistently out in the same direction to have a significant impact, but I think the second sentence highlights how significant GPS error could be if it was consistently in the same direction.

           

          More reason not to get worked up if a GPS watch's measurement is a bit off from the course's stated distance.  People get too worked up about precision.  It's like instant replay in professional sports - it's an entertainment business, not national security, so it's really not that important.

          5k 23:48.45 (3/22); 4M 31:26 (2/22); 5M 38:57 (11/22); 10k 49:24 (10/22); Half 1:48:32 (10/22)

          Upcoming race(s): Winter Series #2 Trail 5k, 12/18; Hangover 5k, 1/1/23
          zebano


            Well said Fred!

             

            Mark that workout sounds like a good sign you had another gear. How soon is your next race?

            1600 - 5:23 (2018), 5k - 19:33 (2018), 10k - 41:20 (2021), half - 1:38:57 (2018), Marathon - 3:37:17 (2018)

            JamesD


            JamesD

              Flavio - Please add to the board for me the Country's Midnight Express 5K in Columbus, GA.  Let's put the date as Saturday, August 27.  The race is supposed to start at midnight, which I assume would make it on the 28th, but DW's birthday is on the 28th and the registration website lists her with her Aug. 27 age, so maybe it will start at 11:59 pm or something.  Thanks.

              Post-1987 PRs:  Half 1:30:14 (2019); 10K 39:35 (2019); 5K 19:12 (2017); Mile 5:37.3 (2020)

              '22 Goals: health; consistency; Half<1:30; a PR or AG 80% (done, 82.16% AG 19:19 5K Oct. 1)

              CommanderKeen


              Aspiring Hobby Jogger

                Some things/shout-outs not covered in the other thread...


                Watson - Congrats on the PR, and B-goals are a good hit! Definitely better than having to go all the way down to a "Z" goal like some.
                I also agree with the general consensus that you're in sub 40 shape.


                Zebano - It's good to know you're still alive! I'm thankful for your progress.

                 

                 


                Pretty decent week here, though I did somewhat botch the Wednesday workout by failing to adjust for the conditions and going out too fast for the first tempo portion. One would really think I'd be smart enough by this point in the summer to avoid that, but one would be wrong.
                Shifted my LR day around to help accommodate DD1s first football/soccer tournament of the year (2nd place, 3-2 in the finals and the only team to score against the winners).

                Starting to shift more into marathon training mode and those LR are only getting tougher from here on.

                 

                Weekly for period: From: 08/15/2022 To 08/21/2022

                Date Name mi km Duration Avg/mi Avg/km Elevation Gain
                in ft
                08/15 1 meteor 11.00 17.71 01:34:40 08:36 05:21 453
                08/15 2 hawks, 2 scissor-tailed flycatchers, & 1 Mississippi kite 4.05 6.52 00:37:21 09:13 05:44 240
                08/16 Predawn honey bees, 1 heron, & 1 armadillo 8.00 12.88 01:12:18 09:02 05:37 364
                08/17 20' + 16' tempo 13.15 21.16 01:40:24 07:38 04:45 466
                08/17 4 Mississippi kites 4.10 6.60 00:36:16 08:51 05:30 194
                08/18 2 hawks 8.00 12.88 01:13:45 09:13 05:44 394
                08/19 2 great horned owls 10.00 16.09 01:27:37 08:46 05:27 502
                08/19 1 B-52 & maintaining that sweet, sweet, heat doping 5.00 8.05 00:44:18 08:52 05:30 240
                08/20 1 ornate box turtle 6.05 9.74 00:52:58 08:45 05:26 226
                08/21 2 rabbits & 1 skunk 17.06 27.44 02:24:15 08:27 05:15 915

                Total distance: 86.43mi

                5k: 17:58 11/22 │ 10k: 37:55 9/21 │ HM: 1:23:22 4/22 │ M: 2:56:05 12/22

                 

                Upcoming Races:

                 

                Marky_Mark_17


                  Well said Fred!

                   

                  Mark that workout sounds like a good sign you had another gear. How soon is your next race?

                   

                  Sunday week - National 10k Champs.  So I'll get another crack it at soon!

                  3,000m: 9:07.7 (Nov-21) | 5,000m: 15:39 (Dec-19) | 10,000m: 32:34 (Mar-20)  

                  10km: 33:15 (Sep-19) | HM: 1:09:41 (May-21)* | FM: 2:41:41 (Oct-20)

                  * Net downhill course

                  Last race: Run the Point 10k, 27 Nov, 35:00, 1st overall

                  Up next: Speights West Coaster, 10 Dec

                  "CONSISTENCY IS KING"

                  JamesD


                  JamesD

                    Flavio - P.S.  I guess put me down for a goal of 20:15, but with wide error bars.  I ran a 20:04 at my last race in May, and my few tempo runs have been a couple of seconds slower than the ones leading up to that race, and this course will have more minor inclines/hills.  On the other hand, the warmer but not particularly hot weather should be better for me, and I have no idea how the midnight time and running in poorly-lit darkness will affect me.

                    Post-1987 PRs:  Half 1:30:14 (2019); 10K 39:35 (2019); 5K 19:12 (2017); Mile 5:37.3 (2020)

                    '22 Goals: health; consistency; Half<1:30; a PR or AG 80% (done, 82.16% AG 19:19 5K Oct. 1)

                    Mikkey


                    Mmmm Bop

                       

                       I cannot find it now, but about 5 years ago Strava released metrics on the London Marathon.  Something like 0.5% had the course short according to GPS.

                       

                      It would be interesting to see this Strava finding as I’m curious.

                       

                      I’ve run the London Marathon 8 times (Garmin watch) and never been under the distance.

                       

                      Shortest GPS 26:36 and longest GPS 26.93.

                       

                      I probably need to improve on the tangents. 🤡

                      5k - 17:53 (4/19)   10k - 37:53 (11/18)   Half - 1:23:18 (4/19)   Full - 2:50:43 (4/19)

                        Hi everyone, I am Marco, 39 years of age, I am italian but live in Belfast (Northern Ireland). I work as a researcher for a US based company, so I often travel for work.

                         

                        I used to be pretty active online until a couple of years ago (COVID pandemic came around and I had a few problems, including the fact that I have no energy whatsoever). I used to be very close to the 90min threshold on the half and was aiming for the 80s but 2020 changed everything. Now I struggle running 5 miles (and my legs and the bones of my feet hurt for a couple of days after anything more than that).

                         

                        Between the pandemic, working from home, stress and not running I gained all the kilos I lost in the past and am back being on the edge of obesity (or at least that's what BMI says... ). I need to get back into running (I never really stopped but I did struggle having any goal for a couple of years).

                         

                        my mileage in the years was growing and it got to almost 2000 miles in 2019, but it went down and I am not even tracking it too much this year

                         

                        https://www.runningahead.com/logs/ba66e86c42964b8387773decfc75b8b7/tools/graph?g12=2013-05-01&zsm=12&zdg=4&x=12&y=20&t=0

                         

                        I have had a ton of analysis done and looked for problems everywhere, but could not find one (although I kept having problems with bones and muscles for a couple of years). So now I decided to do what every runner has done at least once in their life and ignore the body pain and try to run anyway. I am palnning to play on my old strengths and do some 800-1500 specific training this autumn (if I manage). I will keep you posted. I'd love to try some track and field (maybe 400 mt hurdles or 3,000 steeplechase; I think I have muscle memory for those from my past on the track but who knows Smile they are fun!)

                         

                        in the meantime this is the last week of running for me (thanks Flavio for the strava app!!! )

                         

                        Weekly for period: From: 08/08/2022 To 08/14/2022

                        Date Name mi km Duration Avg/mi Avg/km Elevation Gain
                        in ft
                        08/11 Morning Run 2.04 3.28 00:20:14 09:55 06:10 0
                        08/11 Morning Run 1.18 1.90 00:10:22 08:47 05:27 33
                        08/12 Morning Run 4.27 6.86 00:35:10 08:14 05:08 66
                        08/14 Morning Run 5.32 8.57 00:45:30 08:33 05:19 128

                        Total distance: 12.81mi

                         

                        as you can see I am really slow and cannot do too much at the minute... I am all ears for any suggestions on how to get back into training and running, I have no solutions to what has happened to me, but this community has helped me in the past and so I came back to you  Wink

                         

                        have a good week!

                        Marco

                        PRs since re-started in 2013:

                        5km: 19:43 (Belfast park run Sep-16) | 10km: 40:16 (Belfast Lagan side 10K Sep-18) 

                        HM: 1:30:09 (Belfast city Half Marathon, September-18) | FM: 3:25:05 (official chip time Belfast city Marathon, May-19, marathon was 0.3/4 longer, original time 3:27:20 for 26.5/6...)

                         

                        Upcoming races:  

                        ???

                        Fredford66


                        Running Musician

                          Marco - good luck in your return to running, though if you're "really slow" then I suppose you must consider me to be really, really slow.

                           

                          I'm out in Pennsylvania Dutch country for a few days.  I ran 9 with 6 at HMP today and got 340 feet of elevation vs. the 147 feet I got when I ran the same workout at home. Not surprisingly, my average pace was about 15 seconds/mile slower, mostly due to one particular mile with two big hill climbs in it.

                           

                          Since the Amish don't use cars, they travel a lot by horse-drawn carriage and over time the horses have worn a groove into the more heavily travelled roads. The groove is not quite wide enough for me to run comfortably in, so I kept finding myself pulled in and then trying to dodge out to one side or the other.

                          5k 23:48.45 (3/22); 4M 31:26 (2/22); 5M 38:57 (11/22); 10k 49:24 (10/22); Half 1:48:32 (10/22)

                          Upcoming race(s): Winter Series #2 Trail 5k, 12/18; Hangover 5k, 1/1/23
                          zebano


                            Fred, that's an amusing and annoying side effect to the carriages. I really hate cambered road so I imagine that would be worse.

                             

                            Marco, welcome back to running, I can sympathize with the injury approach as it's what I'm currently doing. I even raced an 800 last week and a mile yesterday =) My current problem is that I've forgotten how to hurt as there were 7 of us targeting something between 5:40 and 6:00 yesterday and so I just sat in the pack for 809 (3:01), made up some ground for the next 300 and turned it on for the last 500 (splits: 88, 91, 86, 81 = 5:49) finishing first among that group but well off my 5:40 goal. Oh well, next time I know that I have to go harder from 200-800 and I should be hurting earlier. I was breathing 3 out/in for the entire first half of the race which is a clear sign I was not in race-mode.

                            1600 - 5:23 (2018), 5k - 19:33 (2018), 10k - 41:20 (2021), half - 1:38:57 (2018), Marathon - 3:37:17 (2018)

                            CommanderKeen


                            Aspiring Hobby Jogger

                              Marco! - Welcome back. I'm sorry to hear about the health issues, but wish you a speedy return to speedy form.


                              Fred - Sounds like a really nice trip to me! I'd love to visit that area one of these days. Kinda funny about the wagon wheel ruts.


                              Zebano - Congrats on the mile. Breathing 3-3 the whole first half mile is something I'd associate with maybe 3k-5k effort depending on how that felt and how you changed breathing patterns.
                              In any case, it's at least a good launching point for you, on multiple levels.

                              5k: 17:58 11/22 │ 10k: 37:55 9/21 │ HM: 1:23:22 4/22 │ M: 2:56:05 12/22

                               

                              Upcoming Races:

                               

                              Fredford66


                              Running Musician

                                 

                                Fred - Sounds like a really nice trip to me! I'd love to visit that area one of these days. Kinda funny about the wagon wheel ruts

                                 

                                 

                                Actually, its not wheel ruts, but a single rut from where the metal shoes of the horses have beaten down the asphalt over time.

                                5k 23:48.45 (3/22); 4M 31:26 (2/22); 5M 38:57 (11/22); 10k 49:24 (10/22); Half 1:48:32 (10/22)

                                Upcoming race(s): Winter Series #2 Trail 5k, 12/18; Hangover 5k, 1/1/23