2018 Sub-3. No rules. Run. (Read 792 times)

 

That's just my opinion Steve, that it's worth 3-4 minutes. It's based on all the people who have run it that I follow; they always run slower there than they do on flatter courses, and usually significantly slower. Mikey ran a 2:59 there off of a cycle that indicated 2:55 or better fitness (again, in my opinion), also the same for Flyrunner who did a 2.58 I think and was clearly in 2:55 or better shape.

Obviously it's just your opinion, but I'm trying to figure what that's based on.  3-4 minutes (for a 3 hour-ish marathon) is an enormous amount of time and I feel like people throw it around like nothing.  I don't know a single person who felt they had a strong race in NYC and ran 3-4 minutes slower than their fitness indicated.  I know plenty of folks (myself included) who get caught up in the crowds and excitement in Brooklyn and hobble home with a 10+ minute positive split, but that doesn't mean it's that much slower of a course. The majority of folks I know (and yes, it is skewed because I live here) have run their PRs at NYC and it's not like it's the only course they've done.

I had two friends run PRs there two weeks ago, when the week before their plan was to use it as a training run. One of the two had run a PR half the Sunday before. They decided to go for it because the weather was awesome.

I'm sure they're both kicking themselves for not signing up for Philly tomorrow and running 3-4 minutes faster.

I think it’s probably in the 2-3 minute range, although it depends how prepared you are for the bridges/hills. The entire disaster that is known as the start village doesn’t help though, especially when you have to stand around in the corral/bridge for 40 minutes before you start, but that probably cancels out with the crowd support.

All of this talk of getting near 2:30 is great, but let’s take this one step at a time. We need a few more guys going sub 2:40.

Who right now in this thread is signed up for Boston? Curious who else is going to join me on a perfect weather day in April.

Oh yeah we are way off from that race (I need my foot to heal for one, and also to get off my ass and start running again after a whopping 6 total miles since my marathon), but it would be really cool if we got a few guys that have a great cycle and can shoot for something like low 2:40s (or even 2:39???).

 

Oh c'mon...Berlin, London, Tokyo, etc. have pacers.  Shalene ran a 19+ min opening 5k last year.  In 2011 G. Mutai ran within about 70 seconds of the WR on that course.  Could he have run sub 2:04 in Berlin that day?  Perhaps.  But if you extrapolate out (which I know y'all love to do) that only gives you about 100 seconds for a 3:00 runner.  Not 2-3 and definitely not 3-4.

 

I really can't believe I'm having this argument.

The world record at that time was 2:03:38. He ran 2:05:06. So it was 90, not within 70. It's a bit silly to even look at that but if you're going to use this as an argument, then we should use the facts. 2-3 minutes for a 3 hour marathoner is exaclty right if you extrapolate using your method.

You gotta be pigheaded to be a good marathoner  its one of the talents needed.

Cal - I saw some pictures today of Sacramento - it’s not looking good for CIM. The whole thing is pretty devastating. I feel like we’re so used to hearing about wildfires out west but this seems worse than anything I can remember. 

Yes this is the worst in history on record - 67 oficially dead, almost 700 missing, 12000 structures gone. Air quality unbearable for a week by now - I still do training - all on TM in N95 mask. Everybody hopes for rains next week but this area is very peculiar when relates to forecast and reality. But if air stays the same - there is no chance for the marathon to happen.