2021 Sub 3:00 Marathon Thread (Read 453 times)

flavio80


Intl. correspondent

     

    Wow, do you actually remember that detail of my CIM race report?? Brings a tear to my eye.

     

    I've never had the desire to spit too much in a race, and very rarely on runs. Is it just dry mouth? What's causing you guys to want to spit, genuinely curious.

     

    But blowing my nose? Wow, once temps are under 60, I'm out there blowing it out every mile, my nose is running non-stop.

    I actually remembered that you got spat on by a cyclist the other day 😁

    I guess it's mostly rhinitis. Theres an accumulation of yuk in the throat and it pops into your mouth as you hem, you can either sallow or spit and it does not taste great (that's what she said)

     

    Marby - nice MP blocks

     

    Me - a cool week, a 3k time trial in 10:41, very close to PR. And I think I've conquered the 20 miler today.

    3 weeks to go.

    I do not feel ready, but gotta take what I get.

     

    Weekly for period: From: 09/13/2021 To 09/19/2021

    Date Name mi km Duration Avg/mi Avg/km Elevation Gain
    in ft
    09/14 6E + 8x (1' ON 1' OFF) + 1.5E 9.64 15.51 01:17:41 08:04 05:01 262
    09/15 Morning Run 6.01 9.66 00:48:59 08:09 05:04 66
    09/16 Warm up 2.11 3.40 00:17:07 08:07 05:02 16
    09/16 3k time trial 10:41 - not bad on marathon training legs and no taper 1.87 3.01 00:10:41 05:43 03:33 3
    09/16 5x (2' On 2' Off) 4.16 6.69 00:33:42 08:06 05:02 23
    09/17 Morning Run 7.96 12.80 01:05:40 08:15 05:08 381
    09/18 Morning Run 7.20 11.59 00:59:47 08:18 05:09 190
    09/19 Morning Run 20.01 32.20 02:37:06 07:51 04:53 154

    Total distance: 58.95mi

    PRs: 1500 4:54.1 2019 - 5K 17:53 2023 - 10K 37:55 2023 - HM 1:21:59 2021

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    CalBears


      Marby - good week and mileage. Not big fan of doing 5-6 x 1 mile at MP pace, I would prefer doing them at something like 10K pace. And if I wanna do MP pace, would do it in one block - or as a part of a long run. But I might miss the goal of it - something like micro-taper for a race?

       

      flavio - good week too - never ran 3k in my life but 5:43 pace for almost 2 miles - really fast in my books Smile

       

      Managed to get through the week - barely - almost every day was on a brink of something that would hurt or flare. Calfs, hamstring, quads - every day something different was sending alarms - but varying pace and effort seems to be did the trick. First 100 miles week since summer last year.

       

      Mo - 6.6 @9:24 am / 5.05 @10:02 pm

      Tu - 9:92 @7:24 with 20 min @LT (6:10 pace) 5 min jog 16 min @LT (6:15 pace)

      We - 13.03 @7:34 am / 5.05 @10:04 pm

      Th - 9.22 @9:40 am / 5.05 @10:00 pm

      Fr - 11.05 @7:23 with 7 @160-165 bpm (6:35 pace) am / 5.11 @8:29 pm

      Sa - 11.21 @9:02

      Su - 19.12 @8:21

      ===

      Total: 100.4 miles

      paces PRs - 5K - 5:48  /  10K - 6:05  /  HM - 6:14  /  FM - 6:26 per mile

      flavio80


      Intl. correspondent

        Managed to get through the week - barely - almost every day was on a brink of something that would hurt or flare. Calfs, hamstring, quads - every day something different was sending alarms - but varying pace and effort seems to be did the trick. First 100 miles week since summer last year.

         

        Aren't you flying a little too close to the sun with the recent big weeks?

        I can't speak much though cause I've been in a similar state for the past few weeks.

        If I had a bell for every niggle I'd sound like a herd of Swiss cows 😂

        PRs: 1500 4:54.1 2019 - 5K 17:53 2023 - 10K 37:55 2023 - HM 1:21:59 2021

        Up next: no idea

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        CalBears


           Aren't you flying a little too close to the sun with the recent big weeks?

          I can't speak much though cause I've been in a similar state for the past few weeks.

          If I had a bell for every niggle I'd sound like a herd of Swiss cows 😂

           

          Do you write poems? Or stories? If not, you should - because I have no idea what you tried to tell me Smile Or were you just complaining that your life is much harder than mine? Smile

          paces PRs - 5K - 5:48  /  10K - 6:05  /  HM - 6:14  /  FM - 6:26 per mile

          flavio80


          Intl. correspondent

             

            Do you write poems? Or stories? If not, you should - because I have no idea what you tried to tell me Smile Or were you just complaining that your life is much harder than mine? Smile

             

            You are saying you have tons of niggles.

            You are also saying you're running 100 miles in a week.

            I proposed it's possible you have so many niggles because you're running 100 miles in a week.

            Not judging, by the way, just observing something.

            PRs: 1500 4:54.1 2019 - 5K 17:53 2023 - 10K 37:55 2023 - HM 1:21:59 2021

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            CalBears


               You are saying you have tons of niggles.

              You are also saying you're running 100 miles in a week.

              I proposed it's possible you have so many niggles because you're running 100 miles in a week.

              Not judging, by the way, just observing something.

               

              For anybody who is running/training long enough, it's clear like day that niggles and mileage have nothing  to do with each other - it's all about genetics and luck 

              paces PRs - 5K - 5:48  /  10K - 6:05  /  HM - 6:14  /  FM - 6:26 per mile

              darkwave


              Mother of Cats

                I have never understood how people spit during running - I guess my mouth just gets too dry for that.

                 

                Flavio - congrats on slaying the 20 mile dragon!

                 

                Calbear - tons of mileage.  While I'm going to gently disagree with your statement that niggles and mileage have nothing to do with each other, I do think that aches/pains that move around each day are much less worrisome than those that linger in one stop.

                 

                Marby - definitely amused by the run titles.  Thanks for explaining; I would have been asking otherwise....

                 

                Jmac - where is the race report?

                 

                ****


                My week: I mixed stuff up and did my marathon pace workout on Wednesday and then a tempo on Saturday morning.  The marathon pace workout was supposed to be 2x5 at marathon effort with one mile float, but ended up being 5 miles, 3 miles, 2 miles with one mile easy in between each and lots of water breaks.  Essentially the first 5 mile rep went mostly well, but I let myself get dehydrated and my heart rate went through the roof and the rest of the run was a struggle.

                 

                Saturday's tempo went a bit better, so that gave me some confidence back.  I really can't wait until we lose the humidity, though.  Even the mid-60s dew points we had today felt awesome.  (end weather whining that really belongs on the other thread).

                 

                62 miles running, 2:30 hours pool-running, and 1000 yards swimming.

                M: 75 minutes pool-running and streaming yoga.

                T: 10 miles easy (9:14) plus drills and 4 hill sprints, followed by upper body weights/core.

                W: 16 miles, including a marathon pace workout of 5 miles, 3 miles, 2 miles at marathon effort - splits were 36:16 (7:15 pace), 21:37 (7:12 pace), and 14:27 (7:13 pace). Easy miles between each in about 8:30 plus a lot of water breaks. Followed with leg strengthwork and 500 yards recovery swimming.

                Th: 75 minutes pool-running and streaming yoga.

                F: 6.5 miles very easy to gym (9:29), upper body weights/core, and then 3.5 miles very easy home (8:57) plus drills and four strides.

                Sa: 14 miles, with a track workout of 4800m, 3200m, 1600m at tempo effort. Splits were 20:14 (6:47 pace); 13:22 (6:43 pace); and 6:27. Recoveries of 2 laps in 5:41 after the 4800, and 1 lap in 2:49 plus a bathroom/shoe-tieing break. Followed with leg strengthwork and 500 yards recovery swimming.

                Su: 12 miles easy/moderate (8:27). Streaming yoga in afternoon.

                Everyone's gotta running blog; I'm the only one with a POOL-RUNNING blog.

                 

                And...if you want a running Instagram where all the pictures are of cats, I've got you covered.

                CalBears


                  Calbear - tons of mileage.  While I'm going to gently disagree with your statement that niggles and mileage have nothing to do with each other, I do think that aches/pains that move around each day are much less worrisome than those that linger in one stop.

                   

                   

                  That was a joke Smile Of course, the connection is clear and totally understandable. Also I understand that I test my luck a little bit increasing mileage and still doing pretty intense (for me at least) workouts - previously I was doing very little speed work when I was running a lot of miles (mostly doing it because Boston is so close but, at the same time - no specific goal and no pressure Smile. The exception was my PR cycle in 2015 when I was able to manage the whole Pfitz plan running 100 miles and doing all his workouts and actually - more.

                   

                  DW - solid week of training from you - every week like this without health issues is a great thing allowing us to advance and improve.

                  paces PRs - 5K - 5:48  /  10K - 6:05  /  HM - 6:14  /  FM - 6:26 per mile

                    Marby: Some impressive mileage records for you this year already! That should translate on race day in December. I like your excitement for your "footy" team being in the championship. I'll admit I don't follow the sport at all but may try to watch some coverage of it, now that I've gotten a nice description for each player.

                     

                    Flavio: Strong week with the 3k and a good long run. I'd say you definitely have the engine for sub 3; the only concern area might be endurance but with a long run like this it's looking good. Just stay healthy, no more back issues! Easy on that powerlifting 

                     

                    Cal: Very impressive you are back at 100 mpw, not because of the mileage since that is nothing new for you, but because you have some high quality workouts in as well. If you didn't have any niggles during that kind of week we need to see if you're really human. Will you be ramping down for Boston? Only 3 weeks now.

                     

                    Darkwave: Strong week for you. You don't whine about the weather really at all, but I know you have had pretty awful heat/humidity where you are; much worse than I have. It should definitely pay off once things cool down. Did you move your MP run to mid-week because of weather, or just your training group's schedule?

                     

                    This was a good week for me. Highest mileage week of the cycle, a good 3 x 2 mi on the road in rainy conditions, and a hilly long run yesterday. HR is looking good; despite the hills on yesterday's LR avg HR was only 131. Less than 3 weeks till Hartford.

                     

                    Weekly for period: From: 09/13/2021 To 09/19/2021

                    Date Name mi km Duration Avg/mi Avg/km Elevation Gain
                    in ft
                    09/13 Morning Run 10.17 16.36 1:24:43 8:20 5:11 587
                    09/14 Morning Run w/ 3x2mi (12:13, 12:16, 12:06) 11.05 17.78 1:16:32 6:56 4:18 390
                    09/15 Morning Run 8.13 13.08 1:07:20 8:17 5:09 469
                    09/16 Morning Run 10.08 16.21 1:22:35 8:12 5:06 574
                    09/17 Morning Run 13.12 21.11 1:45:55 8:04 5:01 860
                    09/18 Morning Run 8.09 13.02 1:13:14 9:03 5:37 522
                    09/19 Long Run 20.02 32.22 2:42:33 8:07 5:03 1280

                    Total distance: 80.65 mi

                    2:52:16 (2018)

                    Running Problem


                    Problem Child

                      Marby I agree with cal on the mile repeats at marathon pace. The only time I've done them is at 10 seconds faster than marathon pace and it's only because the Hanson's training plan does them. I believe Jack Daniels has 5-6x1mile at Threshold pace and the discussion has lead to T pace being limited to 5 minutes or the recovered exteneded to match the 5:1 work: recovery.

                       

                      Cal man, I still don't know how you keep all this speed and endurance up with the 100 mile weeks. I see your runs and think "he must not have a job, or kids or anything?" I hope it pays off and maybe like Flavio said the niggles could be the higher mileage weeks.

                       

                      Jmac looking forward to the race recap/report. The packing, on strava, didn't look great just from an outside perspective assuming you'd be aiming for a 5:50/mi even pace, or something along those lines. I didn't see if the Grade Adjusted Pace made it more consistent. Still a pretty impressive run.

                       

                      Darkwave mid 60s dew point....I literally can't imagine how that would feel after living on the West Coast for so long.

                       

                      My week:

                      I wanted to get another weekend with two double digit runs for a total of 60 miles, but it didn't happen because I overslept. I'm not sure if I'm tired from marathon training, getting old, or just can't constantly wake up at 5:30am anymore. Saturday's long run was definitely faster than I'd ever do it. I was with a group who said they wanted to do 8-8:20 pace and we all got to chatting about running and kept pushing the pace. At one point I said "what happened to 8 minute pace? we're doing 7:40s." It felt good since I'd done my tempo run the day before, and 16 miles at "faster than I'd do it alone" felt great mentally. Even with a break at 5, 10, and 13 miles for the group to chat about who is doing what. I don't think it was long enough to say "oh the only reason I ran 7:40s was because I took a break." sunday....well I just woke up late. Since I'd run with Saturday with two people from my Sunday group I told them we'd keep pace slower after we all went out way too fast Saturday. Made a new local friend who was more train runner, invited him to the next weekend's run at 7am and when he said 8-8:30 was easy I kind of took offense and said "Yeah its just our sunday run. I could push the pace for sure I just don't want to. I broke 3 hours in the marathon in 2019 but it doesn't mean I want to run 7:20/mi pace everywhere. This is just about a 60-90 minute run as we're all training for the marathon. We CAN go faster, but not on Sunday fun day run day." He seemed cool with it. Also seemed like the exact type of training partner I'd need to push some more towards a faster marathon time. He seemed more interested in getting a few people to run with more than "You're too slow for me to run with so I'm not showing up." Heck, we had some guy who did CRAZY fast speed with us like a 4:40 mile or something. I can't recall the specifics but it was literally faster than I could sprint probably 400m.

                       

                      Friday's M run was at a goal of "7:10-7:15" and I originally wanted to do 6 miles. After I hit mile 6 I figured I'd TRY for mile 7 since I know more mileage at this pace is coming. I got about 1,000m (0.62 mi) into the 7th mile and pace was dropping. I told myself there was a lot of time to get faster on this last mile and I'm glad I stuck it out. The slow jog home was SLLLOOOOOOWWWWW. It was more the heart rate getting too high than the legs getting tired.

                       

                      Weekly for period: From: 13/09/2021 To 19/09/2021

                      Date Name mi km Duration Avg/mi Avg/km Elevation Gain
                      in m
                      13/09 That time I’m going to see what happens. 8.54 13.74 01:09:21 08:07 05:03 50
                      14/09 That time I needed some interview cool down. 7.34 11.81 00:58:48 08:01 04:59 49
                      14/09 I haven’t changed since running at lunch. 0.00 0.00 00:32:13 00:00 00:00 0
                      15/09 That time we run the Ocho like the old days 8.01 12.88 01:04:01 08:00 04:58 111
                      17/09 That time I wanted to understand the difference. 10.25 16.50 01:21:12 07:55 04:55 43
                      18/09 That time I thought I was an introvert 16.04 25.81 02:09:55 08:06 05:02 41
                      19/09 That time this Coffee and Chatting was coffee free. 8.06 12.97 01:08:26 08:29 05:17 72

                      Total distance: 93.71km (58.24 miles)

                      Many of us aren't sure what the hell point you are trying to make and no matter how we guess, it always seems to be something else. Which usually means a person is doing it on purpose.

                      VDOT 53.37 

                      5k18:xx | Marathon 2:55:22

                      JMac11


                      RIP Milkman

                        Cow Harbor 10K

                         

                        After some hemming and hawing, I decided I wanted to run this race the day before. Ultimately, I knew the weather and course wouldn't be in my favor, but I figured I'd already paid, my alternative race had no guarantee of competition, and this is a historic road race.

                         

                        On my way to the race, I legitimately thought it was 50/50 I would run though. I experienced some bizarre nausea I've never had before a race. It almost felt like motion sickness. I took a few deep breaths when I got to the parking lot though and realized I would be okay once I walked around outside my car.

                         

                        The race itself requires a bussing to the start given its size. It was a short ride and relatively easy. I've learned from many NYRR races that you have to use the bathroom first, and then just keep getting in line. You also need to stop drinking water almost 2 hours before the race, because there is no way you're going to use the bathroom within 30 minutes of the start time. You have to go about an hour before race time, and then maybe 45 before, and that's it. Ultimately, I was right. I went and did my warm up, got back to the bathrooms with 30 minutes to the gun, and the lines were about 30-40 people deep! It makes me appreciate CIM more: they're the only race with 1k+ people I've ever done that has more than enough bathrooms.

                         

                        As I'm lining up, I recognize one guy who is doing some warm ups by me, but I just can't place it (I'm not that good with elite runners like others on this forum). Anyway, I realize after it was Jake Riley, one of the US's 3 Olympic marathoners! That was pretty cool to be in the "elite" corral with him as there were fewer than 100 of us in it. I was surprised how big he was: definitely not the marathon build you expect. He ran a pretty bad race: no idea if he's been injured, but a 2:10 marathoner should break 30 minutes easily, even on a tough course. He ran a 31:41.

                         

                        First 5K

                         

                        Off we go. The weather is a bit better than I expected as it was supposed to be partly cloudy but it's still full clouds. TDP is 135, with dew point at 65. Not terrible given heat training, but not great either. I didn't think it was impacting me too much in the race, but my gauge is always my shorts. The shirt is always going to get wet from sweat. But when your shorts are completely soaked after just a 10K, you know it was more humid than it felt. So maybe 10 seconds per mile? Not sure.

                         

                        Anyway, It's a gradual uphill to start, but I didn't even notice it. Immediately, I am happy I did this race. First - I miss being in a big pack of runners. The last 2 races I've run, I was in the lead about 200 meters into the race in a relatively small field. This felt like racing again! Second - this was the greatest crowd support I've seen outside of Boston or NYC marathons. It shows how important this race is to everyone there, and I totally understand why it has such a great reputation

                         

                        Now the bad part - about half a mile in, you start the first screaming downhill. Frankly, I found it incredibly difficult. Maybe some of that is the Vaporfly, but I just couldn't find a good technique. I tried toe striking, didn't work. Heel striking was more stable, but it slowed you down a lot. I tried to let myself just "go" with the hill, but I started getting out of control. The hill dropped 120 feet in a quarter of a mile, which comes out to a slope of 10%. Most of my downhills are 3-4%. Yes, I did end up picking up my pace during these sections, but it was only a little bit. I would have run much faster if it was just a few percent downhill.

                         

                        Maybe there's just not a way to run a downhill that steep that fast, but happy to hear what others think!

                         

                        Then came the exact opposite: an uphill that was a 10% grade! I passed 3 people on this hill as I tend to be one of the faster uphill runners, but that mile still came in above 6:00 when I wanted my overall pace to be sub 5:45. I got to the top of this hill and honestly thought I overdid it. The thought of walking entered my head ("it's okay if you have to walk a little") but then immediately knocked that out as nonsense, I'm not going to walk! This was a moment though where I really struggled. I told myself that I couldn't push any harder because I was just so gassed at that point.

                         

                        5K - 18:06

                         

                        Well, that wasn't a good split. I wanted to run sub 36:00 given the weather/course, and now I needed a negative split. But at this point, I was feeling better, as the course was just a 1% downhill for a good mile, so I felt okay again.

                         

                        The rest of the race was actually relatively easy. There was one hill you had to navigate at mile 5 that was pretty tough, but the last 1.2 miles were a nice gradual downhill were you could pick up some pace. My pacing was around 6:10 at the top of the hill, and I was able to get it down to 5:15 as I was getting near the finish. I was definitely going to negative split, which was great.

                         

                        I had passed maybe 5-6 people over the last 5K, which told me I was doing better than I expected. Right at the end though, with maybe 400 meters left, I started hearing footsteps. This is where being in a race is much better than a time trial: I really started to pick it up, to where my Strava had me sub 5:00 for that 400 meters. However, this guy came flying by me: he must have been running 4:20 or so pace! I tried to race him but couldn't, but the fact that I was able to sprint left me questions of whether I didn't push hard enough in the last 5K

                         

                        Finish - 35:41.

                         

                        This is exactly what I predicted: right around 5:45 pace, but my pacing was all over the place because of the hills.

                         

                        I actually ran into nimmals / slammin at the end of the race! I didn't recognize him right away, but went up and chatted. JT - I think you asked about his plans. He said that because he's so lazy, he forgot to sign up for London and needs to requalify (his words). He's going to run either Philly or CIM, but hasn't signed up for those either! I hope he signs up for CIM so we can see him there. He's not in PR shape at all, but given he needs to run just sub 2:45, said it shouldn't be an issue. He ran 34:XX in the race.

                         

                        I've enjoyed my two catch ups with him in person, I wish he would post here more but I know there was some bad blood so I get it.

                         

                        I proceeded to grab a water, drink that, and then go for a beer. Nothing tastes as good as that 9:30 am post race beer. Looking forward to enjoying some of those with you guys at CIM 

                         

                        Takeaways:

                         

                        - Clearly a race you need to run more than once. I probably could have gotten more time just from the fact that I stopped pushing on the top of that hill, thinking I was totally gassed, but given how well I ran the last mile, I may have underdid it

                        - I'm not sure if it's possible to run a 10% downhill well at 10K or faster pace, but interested to hear thoughts

                        - The course is not a PR course either way. That uphill alone is bad, but the severe downhills don't help either. However, what an amazing race! I wish I could have hung out more afterwards.

                        - Racing with people near your level really makes up a lot of time. I was definitely motivated each time I passed someone, and by that guy who went screaming by me at the end. If this was a time trial or nobody good ran this race, I may have just given up at the top of that hill.

                        - I think with good weather and a good course, I'm in 10K PR shape. I only have a half marathon left on my schedule before CIM, but maybe I'll try to sneak in a 10K somewhere. I still think it detracts from your training, but maybe I'll do it on one of those days where I had 16 miles with cruise intervals. I'll just run the 10K and then 10 miles after at easy pace. Not exactly the same workout but close enough. I won't be able to do a mini-taper like I did this week, but that probably only gets you 15 seconds in a 10K.

                        5K: 16:37 (11/20)  |  10K: 34:49 (10/19)  |  HM: 1:14:57 (5/22)  |  FM: 2:36:31 (12/19) 

                         

                         

                        Mikkey


                        Mmmm Bop

                           

                           

                          On my way to the race, I legitimately thought it was 50/50 I would run though. I experienced some bizarre nausea I've never had before a race. It almost felt like motion sickness. I took a few deep breaths when I got to the parking lot though and realized I would be okay once I walked around outside my car.

                           

                           

                          We all know that you get taper madness and phantom injuries before a race...but this taking it to a new level 😳

                           

                          Seriously though, great run and I’m glad that you finally got to experience a proper race again!  Well done 👍

                          5k - 17:53 (4/19)   10k - 37:53 (11/18)   Half - 1:23:18 (4/19)   Full - 2:50:43 (4/19)

                            Nice report JMac. Having a 10% grade hill in a 10k pretty much screws any hope of a PR. Even though you get the downhill, like you experienced, when it's that steep it doesn't help you enough to break even effort wise. Still an excellent time in those conditions and on that course, and likely you had a bit more to give based on how you finished. Cool that you got to talk to Nimmals. I texted him at the start of the year and never got a response; I suspect he doesn't even check the thread anymore. Too bad, he brought a lot to the discussion.

                             

                            OMR and jhudak: Hope you guys are ok; seems like the running has stopped/slowed down for you both lately.

                            2:52:16 (2018)

                            OMR


                              Jmac:  Congrats, that's an impressive run with that terrain.  FWIW, I ran a 15K in Alaska (quite a few years ago now) that was basically down a mountain, with some short inclines along the way.  I was in the vicinity of the lead female.  She would routinely pass me on the downhills, because I didn't know how to run them, and then I would catch up on the short inclines.  It is a technique I've never mastered...too flat here, and incline trainers only go to -3%.  But, apparently there is a way to run those fast.

                               

                              cal:  That's a crazy week you just ran, hahaha.  I'm jealous!

                               

                              JT:  Strong week from you, and thanks for the inquiry.  And "Hey!" to the rest of you.  Yes, running has basically stopped for me.  My left Achilles tendon became inflamed about three weeks ago.  I've had this happen one or two times before, and I don't quite know what set it off this time.  The ankle has some scar tissue from an injury in high school, and mobility is a little restricted, so it is more susceptible to recurring injury.  Anyhow, I haven't been able to walk normally until a few days ago, so I may try running tomorrow.  I definitely won't be racing my scheduled half marathon this weekend, but if I don't have any pain, I may jog it (or at least part of it).

                                OMR: Sorry to hear about the Achilles problem, but I'm glad it's not something more serious. Also I guess it's good in a way that this is something you've dealt with before so you know what to expect with it, rather than something new and unchartered. Hoping you have a quick recovery.

                                 

                                Berlin marathon is Sunday morning. It could be a WR by Bekele. I suspect this is the final feather he'd like to put in his hat before retiring, but at 39 it may be too late. Should be a great race to watch regardless of the outcome.

                                2:52:16 (2018)