2021 Sub 3:00 Marathon Thread (Read 453 times)

Mikkey


Mmmm Bop

    jhud - Congrats on a fantastic race and you totally deserved that sub 3 with your dedication...and I’m relieved that the net start time has been acknowledged! πŸ‘

     

    I managed a 22 miler today without collapsing or needing to flag down a cab to take me home. 7:52 pace/136bpm HR and it felt surprisingly comfortable throughout. It’s definitely given me a bit of fire to hit some decent workouts in the next couple of weeks and maybe change my goal time!  Onwards and upwards.

    5k - 17:53 (4/19)   10k - 37:53 (11/18)   Half - 1:23:18 (4/19)   Full - 2:50:43 (4/19)

    Marby


    Ash

      Jhud: Congratulations on a massive PR and sub 3!!!

       

      Mikkey: It seems like you've pulled that 22 miler from nowhere, awesome.

       

      Me: 74k/46mi for the week with half marathon time trial on Sunday in 1:26:13

       

      On Monday it was announced that the half I was entered in was cancelled so we decided I’d time trial it instead.

      The family made a last minute decision to head down the coast for the weekend. So I had to come up with a route on Saturday arvo and settled on an out and back gravel trail following the bay foreshore, I figured it would be pretty flat and easy to navigate. It ended up being a bit more undulating than I expected.

       

      0-5k in 19:56 - felt good but possibly a bit too quick

      5-10k in 20:28 - into the breeze, undulating, feeling close to the edge

      10-15k in 20:27 - with the breeze, undulating, trying to save a bit for the last 5k

      15-20k in 20:02 -  digging deep to try finish strong

      20-21k in 4:07 - I was cooked

      21-21.32k in 1:12 - 'sprint' finish

       

      I ran 21.32k/13.25mi in an attempt to ensure I wasn’t running it short due to GPS error.  I think it's a solid result and shows that I still have a shot at this sub 3 if the planets align. Not that I’m claiming one but that’s 30 second quicker than my PB.

       

      Date Name mi km Duration Avg/mi Avg/km Elevation Gain
      in ft
      11/01 Evening Run 5.10 8.20 00:43:57 08:37 05:22 200
      11/02 2k, 4x1k, 2x600, 2x400 8.06 12.97 01:02:16 07:44 04:48 226
      11/03 Morning Run 5.00 8.05 00:42:37 08:31 05:18 394
      11/04 Morning Run 6.46 10.39 00:50:29 07:49 04:52 266
      11/05 Morning Run 4.70 7.56 00:39:20 08:22 05:12 164
      11/07 Morning Run 2.14 3.45 00:19:23 09:03 05:37 164
      11/07 Half Time Trial 13.25 21.32 01:26:12 06:30 04:03 486
      11/07 Morning Run 1.25 2.01 00:10:55 08:44 05:26 112

      Next: Ballarat, April 28, Pacing 3:50

      Best: 5k 19:46 (Parkrun, 2016), 10k 40:37 (Track, 2022), Half 1:26:41 (2016), Full 3:00:23 (2021)

      darkwave


      Mother of Cats

         

        On Monday it was announced that the half I was entered in was cancelled so we decided I’d time trial it instead.

        The family made a last minute decision to head down the coast for the weekend. So I had to come up with a route on Saturday arvo and settled on an out and back gravel trail following the bay foreshore, I figured it would be pretty flat and easy to navigate. It ended up being a bit more undulating than I expected.

         

        0-5k in 19:56 - felt good but possibly a bit too quick

        5-10k in 20:28 - into the breeze, undulating, feeling close to the edge

        10-15k in 20:27 - with the breeze, undulating, trying to save a bit for the last 5k

        15-20k in 20:02 -  digging deep to try finish strong

        20-21k in 4:07 - I was cooked

        21-21.32k in 1:12 - 'sprint' finish

         

        I ran 21.32k/13.25mi in an attempt to ensure I wasn’t running it short due to GPS error.  I think it's a solid result and shows that I still have a shot at this sub 3 if the planets align. Not that I’m claiming one but that’s 30 second quicker than my PB.

        Marby, FWIW I agree with your assessment.  86 minutes for a solo half time trial on a gravel trail going intentionally 200m long points to something significantly faster in a race.

         

        Mikkey - the 22 miler with no cab is a good sign.

         

        JHudak - do we get a race report?  Smile

         

        ***

        My week:

        60 miles running, 3 hours pool-running, a bit of arc-trainer work, and 1500 yards swimming.

        M: 80 minutes pool-running, upper body weights/core, and 3.5 miles (10:18) plus drills/strides.
        T: 4.5 miles (9:54), an arc-trainer workout of 3x4 sets of 90 seconds very hard/30 seconds easy (took an extra 60 seconds recovery between sets), and then 3 miles (9:45). Followed with leg strengthwork and 500 yards recovery swimming.
        W: 10 miles very easy (10:02), drills/strides, and streaming yoga.
        Th: 1:40 minutes pool-running and 2 miles very easy (10:05), plus drills/strides and then upper body weights/core. Followed with leg strengthwork.
        F: 11 miles, including 8 Iwo Jima hill repeats; followed with with leg strengthwork and 500 yards recovery swimming.
        Sa: 8 miles on treadmill (9:59), streaming yoga, and 3.5 miles (10:06) plus drills/strides.
        Su: 14.5 miles progressive, split as the first 5 miles averaging 9:55, next 5 miles averaging 8:48, and the next 4.5 miles averaging 7:42. Followed with leg strengthwork and 500 yards recovery swimming.

         

        I get to see the doctor on Tuesday (some muscle/nerve testing known as an EMG/NCS) and then on Friday for a follow-up.  So at least things are moving forward.  If I'm not going to be able to race this fall, I'd like to be able to take an end-of-season break.  But I don't feel comfortable doing that until I have a better idea what is going on.  A week of rest and junk food could be very not-good, depending on what the issue is.

        Everyone's gotta running blog; I'm the only one with a POOL-RUNNING blog.

         

        And...if you want a running Instagram where all the pictures are of cats, I've got you covered.

        corland


          Nice meeting you as well. You ought to start posting weekly. 

          Congrats on sub 3!

           

          Thank you, Jhud and DW.  It's been a long time coming.

           

          I looked at your splits, Jhud.  We must have run the whole race within about 30 seconds of each other.  Things got a little dark for me after the half, and I kind of closed out everything.  I remember wondering around 17 where you were at as I had caught the pace group for a few minutes and didn't see you around.  I'm very happy you made it.

           

          Keep at it, man.  You've got some talent and drive.  Someday you'll laugh at the struggle you used to have with 3 hours.     

          CommanderKeen


          Cobra Commander Keen

            JHud - Congrats on a great race!!


            Mikkey - That's an aggressive LR, way to go.


            Marby - Killer TT.


            Finished out a "smaller" mileage week, though with the inclusion of my longest-ever training run. Just one little stop a bit after 8 miles, which does good things for my confidence. I was definitely feeling it in my legs the last 5k or so.
            Looking forward to setting a new 10k PR this coming weekend!

             

            Weekly for period: From: 11/01/2021 To 11/07/2021

            Date Name mi km Duration Avg/mi Avg/km Elevation Gain
            in ft
            11/01 Zero wildlife, some odd patchy fog 12.05 19.40 01:38:10 08:09 05:04 591
            11/02 1 raccoon 7.05 11.35 01:03:05 08:57 05:33 367
            11/03 Last half progressing effort (but it doesn't look it), a buck chasing a doe, and an unexpected surprise from Garmin 12.10 19.47 01:36:19 07:58 04:57 390
            11/04 2 deer (2 strides) 10.11 16.26 01:28:05 08:43 05:25 502
            11/05 3 deer (3 strides) 12.10 19.47 01:39:21 08:13 05:06 351
            11/06 Peak long run! 2 deer (2 strides) & 1 shooting star 23.06 37.10 03:10:37 08:16 05:08 1145
            11/07 Why are people still watering their yards? 5.25 8.45 00:46:35 08:52 05:31 194

            Total distance: 81.73mi

            5k: 17:58 11/22 β”‚ 10k: 37:55 9/21 β”‚ HM: 1:23:22 4/22 β”‚ M: 2:56:05 12/22

             

            Upcoming Races:

             

             

            Running Problem


            Problem Child

              quick drop off

               

              66 miles this week. Super shoes arrived Sunday. Two kids staying home all week long "due to covid 19" closing daycare. It's annoying at this point because testing on day 5 or 6 is required, and then 2-4 days turn around for test results means it could take as long to get results as it does quarantine, and NO OTHER VIRUSE CLOSES AN ENTIRE CLASSROOM BECAUSE SOMEONE WALKED IN WITH IT. I'm pretty sure it was an employee at daycare "exposing" our kids to it, and now I can't send them there for a week. I would have done another 7 miles on Sunday, but I was at urgent care for 2.5 hours, after being in the ER for 4 hours for the OTHER kid.

               

              20 mile long run, two workouts where one went well, and one I had to cancel due to being "daddy Daycare" on friday. This week...we shall see. Wife says she might take a day off, and if she does I'll be doing a M paced workout. Faster than M seems to be fine, and M Pace is where I think I need to build the most experience now. 66 miles total, and after a 20 hour long run I spent 4.5 hours in ER sitting so my legs didn't feel sore until after I got home and started moving. I'm actually surprised they didn't feel great after sitting down all day long. It just brought back memories of doing long runs, then laying out on the couch all day long to feel better. Now if I don't keep moving the legs just don't like it.

               

              66 miles running. Walks were with the dog, and on Friday they were with the youngest because he fell asleep. Legs definately felt sory after waling on Tuesday, and I think since I didn't do any running Friday they were happy to get some exercise.

               

              Weekly for period: From: 11/01/2021 To 11/07/2021

              Date Name mi km Duration Avg/mi Avg/km Elevation Gain
              in ft
              11/01 🐢 🚢🏼‍♂️ 1.60 2.58 00:34:39 21:39 13:26 46
              11/01 That time I did NOT ‘catch a leaf on a run.’ 7.66 12.32 01:01:33 08:02 05:00 436
              11/02 Pooping outside our Strava Security zone 1.16 1.87 00:26:52 23:10 14:22 26
              11/02 That time Old Makkas had a farm. 13.20 21.24 01:40:16 07:36 04:43 157
              11/02 Double Cul de Sac tree trimming 2.51 4.03 00:55:08 21:58 13:41 36
              11/03 That time it should feel much harder. 7.61 12.25 00:59:48 07:51 04:53 328
              11/04 That time the cow just won’t go away. 7.55 12.15 00:58:56 07:48 04:51 115
              11/05 Freaky Friday Family FiveK 3.12 5.02 01:08:21 21:54 13:37 72
              11/05 That time it would have been longer if I’d had run faster 10.50 16.90 01:25:46 08:10 05:04 154
              11/06 That time it was long, hard, and is better when shared with others. 20.00 32.18 02:46:06 08:18 05:10 1102
              11/07 Too mush hospital 1.83 2.94 00:54:46 29:56 18:38 43

              Total distance: 76.74mi (66 running so probably 105 Kiwi kilometers)

               

               

               

              .

              Many of us aren't sure what the hell point you are trying to make and no matter how we guess, it always seems to be something else. Which usually means a person is doing it on purpose.

              VDOT 53.37 

              5k18:xx | Marathon 2:55:22

              JMac11


              RIP Milkman

                Jhud - congrats again. What a great way to sneak under 3. You had a slight positive split, but held it together so well. Hopefully you do stick around on this forum and we see you throughout 2022.

                 

                Keen - great long run. You are looking in great shape for CIM. What's the plan for the 10K? Are you going to mini-taper at all? I think this race will be a great insight into your fitness, but probably not if you run 100+ miles this week!

                 

                Marby - I didn't realize this was on gravel. That's a great TT, and totally agree you are sub 3 potential. You also went long (kudos to you, I think the board knows how I feel about that ). Hopefully the race happens for you.

                 

                DW - I hope things recover for you. That would suck if an end of season break made things worse. The best part of marathon running is you can take 2 weeks off in December and feel 0 guilt.

                 

                RP - nice job on the long run! Following the plan well. I feel good for you.

                 

                Me - injury is not really improving. I've probably treated this injury more aggressively than anything I've ever had. I've been great about strengthening, heat, and massage (including a lot of cross friction message). I actually popped into the NYC marathon for about a quarter of a mile to cheer a friend on who was handed a really shitty pacer (the guy was pacing 3:15 but was running about 3:10 pace for the first 10K, and then completely blew up and ran a 3:16. He has an Instagram account dedicated to running and it's really hard not to rip into him. He seems like a genuinely nice guy, but you cannot pace that poorly when so many people are relying on you). All the adrenaline of seeing someone and popping in made the leg feel okay, but it's still in rough shape.

                 

                I've decided to try running today. I am pretty sure I'll complete this run, albeit painfully. The real question will be Tues-Thurs to determine if CIM is happening. If I can't get through the next few days and run a workout on Thursday, I'll bow out. I was pretty depressed about the whole thing in the middle of last week, but I've come to terms with it. Here's to hoping it's an injury that miraculously gets better when I start up running again.

                5K: 16:37 (11/20)  |  10K: 34:49 (10/19)  |  HM: 1:14:57 (5/22)  |  FM: 2:36:31 (12/19) 

                 

                 

                darkwave


                Mother of Cats

                  CK - regarding watering lawns - could it be that they have forgotten to turn their systems off?

                   

                  RP - what was the deal with the ER visit?  Is everyone OK?

                   

                  JMac - I hope you see good progress over the next few days.  Regarding the pacer - I agree with you completely.  Pacing is a responsibility, and should be taken seriously.  I sometimes think people do it just so they can run a marathon for free and have an excuse for not giving an all-out effort.  In my mind, pacing a marathon should be nearly as challenging mentally as executing your own perfect race.

                   

                  (tangent, but I'm always a bit uncomfortable when people ask if they can run with me in a race, wanting to rely on me for pacing.  My response is generally along the lines of: "you're welcome to run with me for as long as you like, but please understand that I am pacing to run my best race, which may be different from your best race."  I just want the freedom to focus on running the best race I have in me, without worrying about how someone else's race is going.)

                  Everyone's gotta running blog; I'm the only one with a POOL-RUNNING blog.

                   

                  And...if you want a running Instagram where all the pictures are of cats, I've got you covered.

                  Running Problem


                  Problem Child

                    JMac I also might have another chance to qualify in 2022 for the 2023 Boston Marathon. I totally understand the depression thing. Part of me thinks at this point our bodies have become so acclimated to "runner's high" we don't function well without it, and detoxing is emotionally draining. I hope you're able to put something together this week. AS for pacing a 3:15 to a 3:10 and 3:16....yeah that's a shitty pacer. Worse than CIM because at least CIM they were only doing a 6:50/mi pace from about mile 8 to the 25. I think it helped me stay in control because I was so annoyed at them for staying with me after catching them. "dude, you're litearlly running 3 seconds too fast and so is everyone else in the group. If this is the 2:59 group that's fine, but I would like y'all to slow down about 3 seconds for at least a mile or three."

                     

                    jhud congratulations on sub 3.

                     

                    marby impressive time trial. Seriously man, you need to fly somewhere and get a race.

                     

                    Darkwave hope you get some better directions for how to treat/handle/combat the "nerve issues"

                     

                    Two kids at home all day long leaves little time to "work from home" at the ages under 5.

                     

                     

                    EDIT

                    darkwave The ER visit was because my son slipped at a playground and opened his head. Not very long, but deep enough I took him to urgent care. The "STUPID" thing is Urgent Care has appointments. Without an appointment you sit and wait until they have time to see you. We were 10th in line, decided to go to the urgent care 20 minutes away, and THEY told us "that's too deep for us. He needs stitches." So we drive BACK to town to sit in the ER for three or four hours to get a doctor to glue his head shut. In the waiting room. Necause ER was literally too busy with people. Stupidest thing ever. Now he's picked it off so we have to go to the pediatricitan (yay three different hospital visits in three days) to have them check it and probably glue it again. Hopefully I don't forte a mask.

                    Many of us aren't sure what the hell point you are trying to make and no matter how we guess, it always seems to be something else. Which usually means a person is doing it on purpose.

                    VDOT 53.37 

                    5k18:xx | Marathon 2:55:22

                    JMac11


                    RIP Milkman

                      I wanted to post that NYC Marathon is accepting time qualifiers for next year. I know Mikkey probably isn't interested now, but after seeing the race and popping in for a bit, there's no other race I want to run next fall. If 2:36 is my lifetime PR, I'd be happy with that. I'm much more excited to run NYC again:

                       

                       

                      The qualifying window is November 1, 2019 through December 31, 2021. All times run must be at least as fast as the posted time. Net (chip) time, not gun time, will be evaluated.

                       

                      • Runners must submit their qualifying time during the 2022 Marathon drawing application window, which opens in early 2022. Entries for runners who achieve a qualifying time at a non-NYRR race are available on a first come first serve basis, during the application window.
                      • Times achieved outside of NYRR races must be verifiable online.
                      • Qualifying times must be run at an event that has a certified half-marathon or full marathon course. Race courses must be certified by USA Track and Field, Association for International Marathons and Distance Races (AIMS), or a national governing body for distance running for the country in which the race is held. To check if a race is certified, please contact the event you are intending to compete in directly.
                      • Times from indoor marathons, virtual marathons, half results from a full marathon and any other distances will not be considered for qualifying purposes.

                       

                       

                      Men's Standards

                       

                      Age**

                      Marathon

                      Half-marathon

                      18-34

                      2:53:00

                      1:21:00

                      35-39

                      2:55:00

                      1:23:00

                      40-44

                      2:58:00

                      1:25:00

                      45-49

                      3:05:00

                      1:28:00

                      50-54

                      3:14:00

                      1:32:00

                      55-59

                      3:23:00

                      1:36:00

                      60-64

                      3:34:00

                      1:41:00

                      65-69

                      3:45:00

                      1:46:00

                      70-74

                      4:10:00

                      1:57:00

                      75-79

                      4:30:00

                      2:07:00

                      80+

                      4:55:00

                      2:15:00

                      5K: 16:37 (11/20)  |  10K: 34:49 (10/19)  |  HM: 1:14:57 (5/22)  |  FM: 2:36:31 (12/19) 

                       

                       

                      Mikkey


                      Mmmm Bop

                        Marby - Really impressive TT....I’ve done a few low key marathons which basically ended up being a TT and I’d say there’s at least a 3min advantage when you run a big city marathon with the adrenaline, crowds and people to run with....so I’m sure that you’re in sub1:25 half shape and on course for sub 3.

                         

                        dw - I hope the results are good news and you can still race this year...I couldn’t ever imagine you taking a break or eating junk food. 

                         

                        Commander - I just had a look at your log and didn’t realise that you’re a mileage monster!...is 4K the target for this year?  Good luck with the 10k and you should be feeling very confident for CIM. πŸ‘

                         

                        Milkman - There’s nothing worse than a bad pacer. Just imagine if every pacer was as good as this guy....

                         

                        https://www.strava.com/activities/2171940226

                        5k - 17:53 (4/19)   10k - 37:53 (11/18)   Half - 1:23:18 (4/19)   Full - 2:50:43 (4/19)

                        Running Problem


                        Problem Child

                          JMac I'd like to run NYC. Probably MORE than Boston at this point. I just realize I'll probably NEVER meet the time qualifiers. Perhaps I'll make it a goal race after Boston as it allows me to focus on the half marathon. Does NYC accept ANY half marathon time qualifier, or are they a specific list or requirements? I don't believe any of my local races are certified, and I haven't ever looked into it. Since you probably live closer to NYC than me I assume you know all things NYC Marathon, and I assume the website has no answer to my question(s).

                           

                          Random question Where does "major marathons" come from? I was hearing it alot with TCS, and recently watche dChicago, and the only thing I could think of was Abbot (labs?) sponsored six marathons and called them "the Majors" without anything else. Hockey has "The Original Six" which has some significance, but if the "major marathons" are just six marathons some MAJOR corporation chooses to sponsor it loses the "wow" factor for me.

                          Many of us aren't sure what the hell point you are trying to make and no matter how we guess, it always seems to be something else. Which usually means a person is doing it on purpose.

                          VDOT 53.37 

                          5k18:xx | Marathon 2:55:22

                          Mikkey


                          Mmmm Bop

                            I wanted to post that NYC Marathon is accepting time qualifiers for next year. I know Mikkey probably isn't interested now, but after seeing the race and popping in for a bit, there's no other race I want to run next fall. If 2:36 is my lifetime PR, I'd be happy with that. I'm much more excited to run NYC again: 

                             

                            Men's Standards

                             

                            Age**

                            Marathon

                            Half-marathon

                            18-34

                            2:53:00

                            1:21:00

                            35-39

                            2:55:00

                            1:23:00

                            40-44

                            2:58:00

                            1:25:00

                            45-49

                            3:05:00

                            1:28:00

                            50-54

                            3:14:00

                            1:32:00

                            55-59

                            3:23:00

                            1:36:00

                            60-64

                            3:34:00

                            1:41:00

                            65-69

                            3:45:00

                            1:46:00

                            70-74

                            4:10:00

                            1:57:00

                            75-79

                            4:30:00

                            2:07:00

                            80+

                            4:55:00

                            2:15:00

                             

                            I don’t blame you as you can’t beat a well organised Major and NYC was my favourite destination marathon.  Like I said about Boston, if any race has vaccinated only nonsense then they won’t be getting my money.

                            5k - 17:53 (4/19)   10k - 37:53 (11/18)   Half - 1:23:18 (4/19)   Full - 2:50:43 (4/19)

                            JMac11


                            RIP Milkman

                               

                              I don’t blame you as you can’t beat a well organised Major and NYC was my favourite destination marathon.  Like I said about Boston, if any race has vaccinated only nonsense then they won’t be getting my money.

                               

                              It's just so hard to match the energy of NYC. I certainly think Boston does, and I bet London does too, but when it's your own backyard it means something more. Who knows on the vaccine requirement: it's so hard to predict what 12 months from now will look like.

                               

                              RP - the only requirement is that it's a certified course. Nothing else needed. NYC is a better marathon IMO than Boston: Boston is a lot of boring suburbia. I honestly couldn't tell you any difference in what it looked like from mile 1 until after the Newton hills. The energy in Boston is amazing though. NYC is a much cooler course, just obviously a lot harder with the bridges.

                               

                              Pacing - I think a lot of people fail to recognize how hard it is to pace. Mikkey - Strava is down but my guess is you linked to yourself . More importantly, pacing something that is about 20 minutes slower than your Marathon PR sounds super easy, but it's not. If you asked me to go pace a 2:55 today, I could do it, but only because I was training so hard for CIM. If you asked me to do that back in September, I'd have no shot at it unless I properly tapered. I imagine a lot of these guys just take it as an opportunity to run a big race and don't take it seriously enough. I had one pacing job and made sure I got all the proper rest, nutrition etc.

                              5K: 16:37 (11/20)  |  10K: 34:49 (10/19)  |  HM: 1:14:57 (5/22)  |  FM: 2:36:31 (12/19) 

                               

                               

                              Mikkey


                              Mmmm Bop

                                 

                                It's just so hard to match the energy of NYC. I certainly think Boston does, and I bet London does too, but when it's your own backyard it means something more. Who knows on the vaccine requirement: it's so hard to predict what 12 months from now will look like.

                                 

                                 

                                Yep, let’s just wait and see...

                                 

                                London for me is ridiculously awesome and always buzzing with excitement and you just can’t help running faster. (I’ve run 8 out of 8 sub3 marathons at London)...do I need to say any more?

                                5k - 17:53 (4/19)   10k - 37:53 (11/18)   Half - 1:23:18 (4/19)   Full - 2:50:43 (4/19)