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Chicago Marathon RR (Read 56 times)

Docket_Rocket


    I ran the Chicago Marathon this weekend (once again!) and had a lot of fun.  It was a hot race, as Chicago has been famous lately for, but I was still able to improve on my post knee surgery times and inching closer to my old times little by little.  Managed 4:58:51, an 11 minute post surgery "PR" and closer to my best times of 4:34, which I have not been even able to see in 2+ years.  I really didn't expect to see a 4 until later this year, if at all, so I was really happy to have managed to break 5 hours once again.

     

    As every year in the last five (5) years, I ran one of my favorite races in my favorite city.  The Chicago Marathon is an amazing race and I noticed that from the first time I ran the course (I DNFd that year) and every year since.  I am going for legacy status so that I can get guaranteed entry and I am one year short of it, so I hope to complete it next year (hoping they don't change the rules, ha).

     

    For those that don't know this, an asshole hit my car in late December which resulted in a meniscus tear on my knee and arthroscopic knee surgery on January 31, 2017.  I was running 20 days after that and finished PT in due course.  Ran two marathons after surgery (Ottawa and RnR Seattle) and then managed to get my patella out of place at Orange Theory doing a 12 minute distance "challenge" Smile  Serves me right for thinking "I got this!", LOL.  I started PT right after that and, with 3 weeks until Iceland, I had basically the deepest taper in known existence.  Finished the marathon well and managed a 21 minute improvement post surgery, so hey, it worked!

     

    Since then, between PT, Orange Theory, and training, the knee has been feeling good and I felt in my heart that I had a sub-5 hour in me already, but didn't know if I could pull it off at Chicago, the race I always do badly at.  It's always a race where I put a lot of goals into it and fail each and every one. So, this time, I decided to just not care about the result.  After all, I have another marathon next week, so worrying about a goal for Chicago would be stupid, right?  Went into the race not really caring about the time, so long as I finish.

     

    We arrived in Chicago on Saturday around noon and had lunch at our favorite brunch place, Yolk, followed by the expo.  It was raining and super windy, not good weather to run a marathon, so glad the marathon wasn't that day.  Sunday would be warm but sunny and hopefully, not windy.  We got to the hotel after 6pm and managed dinner at Carmine's, one of our favorite spots in Chicago at 8:30pm and was in bed by 11pm, my normal bedtime.

     

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    We were staying at the Congress, a hotel I love with the exception that at 5:22am on the dot, the loud speakers for the race started (last year they were loud and wouldn't let me sleep) but this year they were low.  Managed to sleep on and off until 6:30am and got ready.

     

    I had brought my normal pre-marathon breakfast of two Krispy Kreme donuts and a Mtn Dew from Miami.  For someone that barely eats any carbs, the sugar rush is always nice!  Met with my friend and fellow INKnBURN Alumni, Andrea, got our picture taken,

     

     

     

    and headed into the corrals at around 7:30am.  I was in the second wave, starting at 8am.

     

     

     

    The pics are not all in but based on the ones I've gotten so far, I think I'm going to purchase them.  Here is one of mine from the corrals:

     

     

     

    I normally hear the first wave go out but this year, they had a lot more security and different corral placings (the extra security was added after the Las Vegas mass shooting), so I heard only music unrelated to the first wave.  Talked to some people in my corral for a bit and finished my breakfast.  We started on time and I started around 8:13am or so.

     

    Miles 1-13.1

    Since I have the Detroit Marathon next week, my plan was to run/walk this race at an easy pace.  And of course, I did the opposite, ha.  The pace felt really easy and my knee felt amazing, so I continued.  I knew the race was getting warm quickly and I wanted to run as much distance as possible before the sun started to kill me.  I had a successful first half (haha, famous last words) and maintained a pace around 10:30mm crossing the HM point in 2:19 or thereabouts.  Texted my husband on a walk break that I was past the halfway point (last year I texted him at 10-11 and told him I felt like shit and wanted to quit, so I thought telling him I was doing fine was helpful Smile ) and he texted back, thought you were taking it slow?  Oops.

     

    Miles 13.2 - 18

    The second half takes us out of downtown and where there is no shade.  I was doing fine until Mile 15 or 16 where I got my first calf cramp.  I had been dealing with some calf cramps and calf tightness ever since Iceland and I had not been able to find out why.  I got some cramps during the Reykjavik Marathon but not as bad as today.  I had kept with my gels (every 4.5 miles) and took Gatorade and water at every water station, so it wasn't an issue with nutrition. It was also not an issue with pacing, since I ran Iceland super easy and still got them.  It's just something I need to figure out why it's happening in some runs of 5, 10, 15, and 26.2 miles without reason.

     

    Here is the view of the amount of shade we had during this part of the course.

     

     

    Man, I'm not short but this woman makes me feel like I am. Smile

     

     

    Miles 19-26.2

    I fixed my shoe hoping it would help the cramping/tightness and continued on.  The second time I got the calf cramp on the other leg was at Mile 21 in front of Chinatown and in front of the photographer.  I bet you that picture opportunity will turn out amazing. LOL.

     

    I had to stop to stretch right there and then figured running would loosen it up faster and it did.  Continued on until Mile 23 where the guy in front of me was running while asleep (best way to describe it).  The guy probably had heat exhaustion, if not worse.  He kept tripping on the sidewalk, his head was to the side, and he was running like a drunk.  I asked if he was OK and forced him to stop and sit down where there was some shade.  Crossed to the aid station and requested medical to find him.  I didn't wait for them to get there but the guy told me he would not move from there, so I continued on.  I hope he didn't because he was close to passing out when I grabbed him.

     

    It was hot!  I texted my husband on another walk break and told him about the cramps and he said, it's hot AF.  We're from Miami, so this is not considered hot where we come from but it was hot for running a marathon for sure.  I wouldn't even run a marathon in this crap; wait, I just did, ha.  It was sunny, it was hot, people were dropping like flies.  Above my music, I could hear the constant wailing of the ambulances driving near us all through the race.  Every time I saw a medical car they had someone on it.  People were laying on the side of the road like crazy.  I felt fine, but I was so slow in the last 5 miles, I thought I would never get to the Willis Tower, LOL.  It looked so far at Mile 24!

     

    Somewhere around here, I look to the left and I looked at my friend and former coach Walter, on the side.  Managed to whisper his name and he saw me.  Gave me the biggest hug in the world and asked me how I was doing. Told him that I was fine, even though I started out too fast and had calf cramps and rambled some more until I continued running and left him talking by himself, LOL.  Marathon brain at its finest!  Sorry!

     

    Anyway, I continued with the run/walk ratio I started with but, of course, the walks got slower, and the runs too, so the drop in pace was brutal.  I lost close to 20 minutes on the second half. I am sure I started out too fast, but I felt fine other than it was hot and I felt the sun was draining my chi.

     

    The water stations got harder to manage.  People were there taking 3-4 cups, throwing water over their heads, walking in tandem. It took a while to get a cup and continue. You could see it was hot for sure.  I was taking two cups myself, one for drinking, one for throwing over my head.

     

    As I got to Mile 25, I texted my husband I had one mile to go and when I passed the sign that says One mile to go, I dropped the walks. I ran straight through. I knew I had to run the last hill or I would lose the sub-5.  I was so tired at this point and wanted to walk the last two walk breaks but pushed on.  Didn't want to run the hill but I did.  How much do you want the sub-5 again, eh?  Lots!  Then run, bitch, run!  LOL.

     

    As I am heading through the chute and listening to everybody's name (missed mine or mine was not mentioned), at Mile 26.18, I got a calf cramp from hell.  The finish line was right there, damn it!  I couldn't even move my knee so I ran the last 0.02 with a straight leg. I bet the finish line pictures will be awesome too. LOL.

     

    I finished in 4:58:51, I had done it!  It's been two years since I was able to break 5 hours, between my blood pressure scare and meds and my knee surgery, so it was awesome to see that time especially on a hot day.  As I stopped at the finish line, I couldn't move an inch.  Two medics came to me and asked if I needed help.  Told them no, just a cramp, and started moving slowly.  Two more volunteers asked me the same as I headed down the medals.  Apparently, I looked beat, ha.

     

    And when I got to the medals, the first person handing them was none other than Deena Kastor.  OMG!  She was so complementary to the finishers, so happy to be there and witnessing people achieving goals!  She truly is very nice. And of course, I gushed and got a picture. Smile

     

     

    What a way to end a great day!

    Damaris

     

    As part of the 2024 London Marathon, I am fundraising for VICTA, a charity that helps blind and visually impaired children. My mentor while in law school, Jim K (a blind attorney), has been a huge inspiration and an example of courage and perseverance. Please consider donating.

    Fundraising Page

    Runshortii


      Super jealous of your picture with Deena! Nice job going sub 5 again, especially with the heat. A lot of people from my local running club who ran in the 4-5 hour realm said it was really getting warm by the end. I stayed in the Congress once, I like it. It has character. Maybe I’ll enter the lottery for next year.

      onemile


        Pretty cool that you got to meet Deena. Congrats on another one.

        Cyberic


          Nice RR, D!

           

          Great job on your sub-5. You worked hard enough for it. I'm glad you got it.

           

          If you figure out what is causing the cramps, I'd like to know. I've had them in my last marathon, and in my 50K. Not fun. It's already hard enough to run these things, you don't want to have to deal with f**ing calf cramps.

           

          Glad your knee is behaving and you're getting faster.

          Half Crazy K 2.0


            Nice job on the sub 5. The second half sounds miserable. Glad you stopped & helped the guy get assistance.

            KCRuns


              Great RR! Congratulations on sub-5! And good job getting help for that guy!

               

              do you take salt stick or anything else to help prevent cramping?  I’ve found that adding some electrolytes can help stop them. And you don’t have to drink a lot of liquids to get them into you.

              GinnyinPA


                That really does sound miserably hot. Good job focusing on the goal and getting it done.

                  Congrats on the sub-5! You have really been through a lot to get this far, hopefully things continue to improve.

                  That weather just sounds brutal. Ugh.

                  And as I am told the current conventional wisdom is that cramps are not so much a function of hydration or electrolytes, but mainly outrunning your fitness. More liable to happen on a hot day because you are more likely to not slow yourself down enough. But IDK, I imagine it may be a combination of factors.

                   

                  Good luck at Detroit! Have a beer at mile 25 for me.

                  Dave

                  oldfartrunner


                    Great job and RR Damaris!   You are a tough competitor! I posted this link about cramps on the Frequent racers.

                    http://running.competitor.com/2013/09/training/how-to-beat-marathon-muscle-cramps_84843

                    Docket_Rocket


                      Great RR! Congratulations on sub-5! And good job getting help for that guy!

                       

                      do you take salt stick or anything else to help prevent cramping?  I’ve found that adding some electrolytes can help stop them. And you don’t have to drink a lot of liquids to get them into you.

                       

                      I never use those and never needed them.  This has just happened in the last two marathons, so pretty recent.  Which is why it has me stumped.  After 40 marathons, it is a weird thing to get now.  It is also not a cramp in that it goes away after a few seconds, like a contraction.  But food for thought...

                      Damaris

                       

                      As part of the 2024 London Marathon, I am fundraising for VICTA, a charity that helps blind and visually impaired children. My mentor while in law school, Jim K (a blind attorney), has been a huge inspiration and an example of courage and perseverance. Please consider donating.

                      Fundraising Page

                      Docket_Rocket


                        Congrats on the sub-5! You have really been through a lot to get this far, hopefully things continue to improve.

                        That weather just sounds brutal. Ugh.

                        And as I am told the current conventional wisdom is that cramps are not so much a function of hydration or electrolytes, but mainly outrunning your fitness. More liable to happen on a hot day because you are more likely to not slow yourself down enough. But IDK, I imagine it may be a combination of factors.

                         

                        Good luck at Detroit! Have a beer at mile 25 for me.

                         

                        Ooh, beer!

                         

                        I initially thought it would be starting out too fast, but it also happened at Iceland (mile 5, 10, etc.), and during a couple of short runs and LRs this last month.  The PT initially told me to stretch the calves but that does not help at all.  It feels like I was running on my toes when it happens (and I'm a heel striker), to explain it a bit more and it happens often when I am running easy (and not when I'm running fast).

                        Damaris

                         

                        As part of the 2024 London Marathon, I am fundraising for VICTA, a charity that helps blind and visually impaired children. My mentor while in law school, Jim K (a blind attorney), has been a huge inspiration and an example of courage and perseverance. Please consider donating.

                        Fundraising Page

                        Docket_Rocket


                          Great job and RR Damaris!   You are a tough competitor! I posted this link about cramps on the Frequent racers.

                          http://running.competitor.com/2013/09/training/how-to-beat-marathon-muscle-cramps_84843

                           

                          Now this article has something I have experienced before.

                           

                          "As we learned in the previous two articles on muscle activation and treating the cause of running injuries, your body will always compensate when one muscle group isn’t working correctly by rerouting the work that needs to be done to another muscle group.

                          Meaning, if your glute muscle is inhibited and not firing correctly, your leg won’t simply stop working. Instead, your brain tells your muscles, “hey, this glute isn’t getting the job done, let’s fire the calves more forcefully to make up for the lack of power.” This “rerouting” occurs unconsciously and often you’ll never even realize it occurs."

                           

                          In my case, it has been my hamstrings that don't fire correctly.  Not sure the causes they list are it, but I'll see if I can figure it out with the therapist and see.  Definitely, stretch the calves and do 150lbs calf lifts have not helped (I think they have done the opposite effect).

                          Damaris

                           

                          As part of the 2024 London Marathon, I am fundraising for VICTA, a charity that helps blind and visually impaired children. My mentor while in law school, Jim K (a blind attorney), has been a huge inspiration and an example of courage and perseverance. Please consider donating.

                          Fundraising Page

                          Docket_Rocket


                            Thanks, guys!  Lots to think about on the calves.  For Sunday, I'm switching the shoes from the lower drop to regular drop (Hokas/Altras vs Mizunos) and see how the legs feel.  If that does not work, I'll go from there.

                            Damaris

                             

                            As part of the 2024 London Marathon, I am fundraising for VICTA, a charity that helps blind and visually impaired children. My mentor while in law school, Jim K (a blind attorney), has been a huge inspiration and an example of courage and perseverance. Please consider donating.

                            Fundraising Page

                               

                              Now this article has something I have experienced before.

                               

                              "As we learned in the previous two articles on muscle activation and treating the cause of running injuries, your body will always compensate when one muscle group isn’t working correctly by rerouting the work that needs to be done to another muscle group.

                              Meaning, if your glute muscle is inhibited and not firing correctly, your leg won’t simply stop working. Instead, your brain tells your muscles, “hey, this glute isn’t getting the job done, let’s fire the calves more forcefully to make up for the lack of power.” This “rerouting” occurs unconsciously and often you’ll never even realize it occurs."

                               

                              In my case, it has been my hamstrings that don't fire correctly.  Not sure the causes they list are it, but I'll see if I can figure it out with the therapist and see.  Definitely, stretch the calves and do 150lbs calf lifts have not helped (I think they have done the opposite effect).

                               

                              A lot of people swear by eccentric heel raises, to strengthen your calves. But everyone's different, experiment of one and all that. Hamstrings are a possibility because the other thing we eventually learn is that everything's connected. Which I think is sort of your point.

                              Dave

                              breadnatty08


                                Calves are usually where I cramp up if it happens.  It's only been races on warm to hot days and generally towards the end.  I could feel my calves give notice that they might start cramping at my 50k last weekend around mile 25.  I've done salt pills in the past, but usually save them for >50k and take ever couple hours.  They also help (me) with stomach issues and GUs.

                                I'm with Dave though, it certainly can be a combination of outrunning fitness (the first time it was BAD was my first >50miler).

                                 

                                All that said, great job!  I'd love to run Chicago some day but with it's more frequent warm temps can't say I'd run it as an A race.

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