Yesterday ended up as cross-training day when I got on the treadmill and my legs began screaming at me. Strange pains that came out of nowhere. Since I've been feeling my sfx ache a bit more than usual, I decided to pay attention. So I did some stationary bike and yoga and didn't hear a twinge out of them. I hope today's attempt will go better.
Zelanie - good luck on your race this weekend. I'm sure you'll do well.
Gustav - aren't the waves of thunderstorms past you'all now? We finally got some rain and a 30 degree cooldown out of the front.
Damaris - that's a lot of strides.
Mitch - too bad about the race this weekend. Are you still on nightshift?
Dave - good luck tomorrow. I'm sure you'll rock it.
Kristin - grumpy because you're resting or just because?
Jack - maybe a double? Half before the meet and half after?
Margo - are you going away for the weekend?
Bin - aside from not running, are you enjoying your vacation?
Awood- sounds like you arranged things well, so you get your busy time before you need to get serious about training. What race are you doing this weekend?
Tomas - which marathon? Enjoy your 18 tomorrow. Hope the weather cooperates.
Yes, having a good time. Lots of eating. Haa
Some sort of upper body training as need to carry DS around when he refused to walk. 15kg of love.
2015 Races
2XU HM - 29 Mar
Flying Pig in Cincinnati - may 5th. exactly one year from my first race. that one was 4.5 miles
thanks- I hadnt even checked the weather - I typically dont so that I dont talk myself out of my run
”Failing to prepare is preparing to fail.”
“Whether you think you can, or you think you can't--you're right.”
Tomas
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T-Rod: I don't know if you saw my response, but I don't have a marathon plan, as of yet. Do you have one? PM me if you can. I need some ideas.
Awood: What marathon plan are you going to use?Ginny: The only double I will be doing comes in a glass. I tried doing two a days and it's just not for me. I might get up at 5 and do my 12 miles and then go to the meet. The doubles will come after the meet.
Zel: Thanks and good luck to you. I hope you have some decent weather.
Will run for beer.
Hey gang... I'm still out of town training. I just received and email that due to continued poor/late winterish weather, they have cancelled both the 25 and 50k trail races. Major bummer. They have opened the 11k to all runners, however. So, I will run that.
What a friggin' let down. Given the conditions it is for the best.
Vance Will Run Blog
Mmmmm...beer
Jack, I'm going to use a Pfitz plan for my marathon next spring, probably the 18/85 plan. I picked up the book and read through it a couple of times, good info. A lot of people seem to do well with his plans. He has 12 week and 18 week plans, ranging from a peak of 55mpw to 100+mpw.
-Dave
My running blog
Goals | sub-18 5k | sub-3 marathon 2:56:46!!
Smaller By The Day
Ginny - It's my first 10K, and as weird as this sounds, I'm planning on it going terribly wrong. As a matter of fact, my game plan is to go out too fast. This is going to be the equivalent of walking into the casino, and putting half of your money on one hand of blackjack because it's not really your money. Worst case scenario, you walk away with half of it and it wasn't yours to begin with.
My thinking is this. I don't have a 10K PR. All I have to do is finish for a PR. I feel like all of my 5K's have been PR's, and gone really well. Both of my HM's have been PR's and gone really well. I want to find that line, or limit in a race that I'm going to PR regardless. I want to learn something. My only fear is that I chicken out, and don't go through with it.
The reward will be if I find out that my limit is further off in the distance than I thought it was. What if I go out and it feels WAY too fast, but its NOT. Then, I have to rethink all of my races going forward. Then, I realize that I'm a better runner than I've been giving myself credit for.
We did something similar during a wrestling camp one year. They pushed us until we couldn't move any more, and then made us get up and keep going. As it turns out, our limits were miles beyond where we thought they were. For years, we had thought we were pushing ourselves, and we found out that we had been dogging it. We were capable of so much more. The downside was that the camp started by only allowing 50 participants. We ended with only 12 guys. 38 guys bowed out before they found their limits. I have to decide before they start the race tomorrow if I'm still part of that 12, or if I'm one of those other 38 guys.
Improvements
Weight 100 pounds lost
5K 31:02 Sept. 2012 / 23:36 Sept. 2013 (Same Course)
10K 48:59 April 2013
HM 2:03:56 Nov. 2012 / 1:46:50 March 2013
MARATHON 3:57:33 Nov. 2013
SheCan
Morning Penguins!
Hey Gustav! I love the Grumpy Cat! I smiled just reading the heading to the thread today.
t-rod--- wow, where's the marathon you're thinking of?
Ginny-- @ strange pains! I sure hope today goes better, and it has nothing to do with that old injury.
N-bug-- that really is a bummer! Its so hard to fathom that you're still having weather like that there. I hope you do enjoy the 11k anyhow....though I'd probably still be annoyed.
I did just under 4 miles today, and tried to keep it fairly easy. Tomorrow I'm headed to N. Tucson for a 7.4 mile sunset run. It's an out and back where you run up the hill turn around and try to make it back before dark. I thought it sounded like a blast, and I'm just going to have fun with it. Good luck to everyone racing this weekend!
Cherie
"We do not become the people who this world needs simply by turning our backs on anyone we don’t like, trust, or deem healthy enough to be in our presence. " ---- Shasta Nelson
Jack - I'm using Jack Daniels Marathon Plan A. I'm going to try to get my base up to the mid-50's during the base building phase. I'll see how that feels going into Phase II, and establish my peak. His plans are very flexible though. So, I can adjust that number over the next 18 weeks if needed. I just have to keep in mind that Phase III, and Phase IV are very challenging. The good thing is that each week alternates from 70/80/90/100 percent of peak mileage. If there is a lot of quality work, he cuts the mileage back that week. The next week may be more long easy runs, and be 90 or 100 percent of peak mileage.
I used a 16 week version for my half marathon, and loved it.
Sloooow.
Morning all! (It is still morning when I started this, lol)
Gustav- Grumpy Cat cracks me up. Fingers crossed for no hail during your run later. I still want to have a run in the rain.
Docket- You're a trooper, definitely.
Hog4Life- Hope your miles go well. Have your shifts settled down now, or are you still being run ragged?
Dave- Giving your legs a fair warning, I like it!
Kristin- Sorry you are having a grumpy day, but I hope you enjoy the rest.
Jack- Enjoy your rest day, sounds like you need it with everything you have on the table tomorrow, geez!
Philliefan- Have a nice weekend!
Bin- I must've missed it, where are you on vacation? Your DS is about the same weight as my DD. I did the Color Run with her on my shoulders, so I know how you feel!
Awood- Life does get in the way sometimes, and that is OK Hope everything is well with you.
Tomas- You are seriously a machine. You sound so nonchalant about the possible of a marathon a month away!
Ginny- Sorry about the pain I hope you figure it out and it doesn't bother you today.
N-Bug- Really sorry about the cancelled race, that a letdown.
AFM, 2.6 miles this morning. Poor start to the week has left me with few miles. I have a 5K on Sunday, but I'm thinking about running tomorrow too. That will give me about 11 for the week. I would say my weight has plateaued, but is it a plateau if you're eating too much? Lol. 212lbs, 3lbs 1oz to go until I'm "just" overweight, haha.
D2 and Awood: I am hoping to peak at 50-55 mpw. There is no way I am going to try 85. I get too many tweaks and niggling injuries. A friend of mine swears by the Daniels book. If you have anything, can you pm me any links or other info? Cheers, guys.
Jack- This is what Damaris suggested for me. I was planning on using this for a september race in my hometown and shoot for a PR. I still might. I will have time to recover for a week from the flying pig marathon and then start this before the lubbock, panhandle marathon.
http://paynenet.com/Marathon/calendar/2008-ChicagoTrainingPlan%20-%20Pfitz.pdf
she can- my race/ fun run is called the flying pig in cincinnati oh. I should beat my time from this past january, but I am not going to kill myself out there.
CoralieT- i have no real expectations from this race. my sister wanted a running buddy and offered to help pay for most of this trip. She wants to do this race, because her husband will be gone doing training (marine) and she figured it was a good time to check ohio off her list of states. For me, a cheap trip/race is hard to turn down. I have been running decent mileage, so I am not scared of it. I will just go out there have some fun and hopfully have a couple of free beers somewhere along the line.
I'm not sure Jack Daniels plan is available online, but having the book is nice. If you need to make adjustments, he has charts and chapters on how to do it effectively. I'm constantly referencing back to other chapters. The plan is pretty simple, but if you didn't read the rest of the book it doesn't make a lick of sense. I've read people on discussion boards completely baffled by the fact that he never prescribes a 18, 20 or 22 mile run. He won't. If you sit down and do the math though, there are a lot of "long" runs:
2 mile E Pace + 15 miles or 2 1/2 hours M pace + 2 miles E
or
2 mile E Pace + 5 X (6 min T with 1-min rest) + 1 hour E pace
2.5 hours or 25% of week's total miles, whichever is less
Also, he has a lot of medium long quality runs mid-week. The entire program is based on 2 quality workouts per week, and alternating long "long" runs and quality "long" runs while trading mileage for intensity on a rotating basis. As a matter of fact, you hit peak mileage a total of 3 times during your training cycle. If that interests you, remind me and I'll try to put together a spreadsheet sometime, but I'd recommend getting his book off of amazon. You'd love it.
I'm not sure Jack Daniels plan is available online, but having the book is nice. If you need to make adjustments, he has charts and chapters on how to do it effectively. I'm constantly referencing back to other chapters. The plan is pretty simple, but if you didn't read the rest of the book it doesn't make a lick of sense. I've read people on discussion boards completely baffled by the fact that he never prescribes a 18, 20 or 22 mile run. He won't. If you sit down and do the math though, there are a lot of "long" runs: 2 mile E Pace + 15 miles or 2 1/2 hours M pace + 2 miles E or 2 mile E Pace + 5 X (6 min T with 1-min rest) + 1 hour E pace or 2.5 hours or 25% of week's total miles, whichever is less Also, he has a lot of medium long quality runs mid-week. The entire program is based on 2 quality workouts per week, and alternating long "long" runs and quality "long" runs while trading mileage for intensity on a rotating basis. As a matter of fact, you hit peak mileage a total of 3 times during your training cycle. If that interests you, remind me and I'll try to put together a spreadsheet sometime, but I'd recommend getting his book off of amazon. You'd love it.
i didnt use that plan for my only marathon, but I was happy to see that people can finish a marathon with a long run of 16 miles. My long run last time was 17 and change.
all that stuff you have up there looks like algebra or physics or something. I am glad you know what that means. I just run and sometimes run a little faster (still slow).
Jack, I can scan the 55mpw plan and send it to you. My plan is to see what kind of mileage I can hold over the summer and that will determine which plan I go with starting in Nov, but I think I should be able to roll into the 85 plan without too much trouble.
Awood, that's funny cause that's kind of what I'm doing with my half tomorrow. I feel like I played it a lil safe at the Shamrock, so I want to really push it this time, and if I blow up, no big deal. Sometimes the only way to find your limit is to keep pushing.