good morning all, it's a good 25 degrees cooler here in sweden, about 60 F, and the first rain they've seen in weeks. brought the slugs out, but not to the point that we had to worry about slipping and sliding on slug slime like last year. 5.25 miles of up and down and down and up, by the fjord, fields, and forests. soft and beauiful day. i started yesterday's thread with the intent to just get the discussion back to running, but after reading everyone's comments i thought i'd add mine. i am listmom for a couple of mailing lists for translators, and the one thing learned over the years is that politics and religion are hot potatoes. either they have to be banned for the sake of peace, or they have to be relegated to their own separate thread where people can choose to participate, or not. personally, i think discussion is important - we can learns so much from and about each other (loved seeing other zinn fans yesterday. edited to add: just saw wrfb has started just such a discussion. well done! anyway, good runs all and have a wonderful peaceful sunday, susan

Resting for me today. (I just felt this thread needed at least one reply to get things moving. Oops, berger1 beat me. Disregard my comments.)

Good morning all, We finally got some rain last night but it's a drop in the bucket... Nice morning to run... 17.19 miles of hills @ 9:12 pace, took 1 GU at 11 miles with some water and I'm jumping in the pool for a bit after I post. Good running to everyone today...back to work tomorrow.

Susan--"slug slime"? Yuck! Peter--I always envy you for that pool! Appropriate thread title for me. 16.6 miles @ 9:01 pace wrapped in a soggy blanket of humidity...until the rain started..then it was just plain wet. Lots of great blue herons down by the water today, though. They're great to watch. Have a good one.

...it's been raining here for 3-days....... ===================== ........hit the trail, feet went out from under me, moved it over to the athletic fields..... ...60min run......no wind, 80's........covered in MUD when I went back to the car//// took 10-min to get the mud and grass off my trail boots, packed 'em in newspaper and tipped 'em up to dry..... like they say in Albania ''izbekk xowidje'' which, loosley translated, means ""the Cossack may go hungry, But his Horse will be Well Fed'' ..................good running guys.............(ok, it may not mean that, BUT IT SHOULD)....... .......off to my 2nd Church....

BCMorant it always feels great when you pull out a long run the day after a race! Tallrunner the times you pull out even on "slow" days just amaze me. Maybe I should add leave me green with envey as well? biketm nice workout on your long run. Spareribs so sorry to hear you are having so many problems with your running. I hope whatever is getting to you clears up soon. Teresadfp having been away from the daily for a bit I did not know you were injured. But glad to hear you are recovering on schedule. enkephalin thank you for asking about my wife. She had a pile of tests. All negative. In the end it seems likely she picked up some sort of really nasty virus that just took a long time to beat. Last week she had some bad spells but as time went on they seemed to peter out and then stop occurring. At the moment she seems fine. BTW, run 6 then bike 30 minutes all after a 5K -- very nice. wildchild congratulations on your new PR in the 5 mile race! I have a friend who heads to Winter Park each year to take his paraplegic daughter skiing there. They apparently have a great program for disabled people. evryday congratulations on celebrating your silver anniversary. HandyMom just add a bit each week and you will be running 6 miles, then 7 then . . . before you know it. You just have to keep at it. Today fjordrunner run through the rain, yecch! Glad you seemed to enjoy it though. Bill 8 is not so short! Nice. Peter NC nice long run! Enjoy your swim. DickyG was the course certified? I am always very skeptical when people claim courses are long based on GPS watch readings. 10 watches do not produce 10 independent readings as they all download more or less the same data and analyze it with the same code. You might try mapping the course on MapMyRun or something similar to see what it comes up with. Tramps lol your run and conditions sounds a lot like mine! Like running through a cloud. WRFB I see another humid weather runner in our midst, so to write, here! It is a slog to get through a run in these conditions. tomwhite well I admit humid beats rain. My run today was through 100% humidity and I must admit it got to me. I headed out for 3 miles to meet my TP and her friend. We then ran about 7 together and then I ran home. The last few miles were just really tough. One of those days I guess. The total came in at 13.45 miles. That is my last run over 7 miles prior to the marathon next Sunday! Now I just have to convince my stomach it needs to taper as well!

DickyG, I can't figure out why your time was 11 minutes slower than your 1980 PR. Maybe you are training differently. I think I have figured out what is best to do until I go in for the stress/echo on the 18th. Today I did 3.3 miles, alternating walking and jogging each quarter. So I got six quarters of running in, and a bit more than that walking. I was only mildly fatigued after each run quarter and able to recover well with the walks, so that is what I will stick with until I see the doc. Spareribs

10 miles in 72 and sunny with little humidity and no wind. This was my long run for this week and since I took yesterday off because I raced on the fourth I had fresh legs and a springy feel. I found my old heart rate monitor strap as I was cleaning my dresser out last night and decided to see how the ol ticker was ticking. I have not used it in a few years but it still works good. I have a old fitsense watch that I still use and it is pretty accurate as long as the batteries are strong. My race on the 4th it came up .1 short in 6 miles so good enough for me. Anyway my average HR after warm up stayed around 160 I averaged 164 for the entire run. I was playing around with some hills and sprints and such so maybe not a good reading for a long run. I never could get the training down using this thing. My max heart rate was 204 when I maxed out about 5 years ago which is really high compared to the averages so all my HR paces seem high. My long runs should be between 132 and 146 and I have never been able to go that slow for a long period that would be walking. No mans land(not doing any good) is between 163 and 173 and that's where I usually end up. So I just leave it in the drawer most of the time. I do like to see how fast my recovery is and today I was back at resting heart rate within minutes of stopping. I am not sure who's book I got these values from since its been so long but I think maybe some of us just don't fit the mold. I have been accused of being odd. Good runs everyone Larry