Gee, I missed the whole thread yesterday. I need to find more free time to do what I want to do rather than go to that place I go to Monday through Friday . Ah, a quick check tells me I missed the gu / no go wars. No comment. Up early for an 8 miler, including 10x20sec striders. I realized this weekend that I should already be 3 weeks into the 24 week Pfitz plan, so I guess the reverse taper is over. 8.2 miles, 1:05:24, 7:58/mi, AHR 152 (78% MHR)

It must be the morning for 8 mile runs. I took no GUs with me ... Speedwork day today had me doing 5 repeats of 1000m with 400m RI between. The plan target was 4:22 per repeat, but I never reach the speedwork targets anyway - and especially in H&H that's not likely. Not bad though: 4:39 4:36 4:27 4:28 4:26 I'm ready to shut it down. The combination of the last couple of weeks of training plus the hawt weather has me dragging. It's time to recharge. The household moratorium I placed on Chips a couple of months ago seems to be working. I'm almost down to fighting weight ... Bill

Good morning Lou, I missed most of yesterday also....silly job 4 un-timed recovery miles last night - My legs felt great and wanted to run more, but I am setting myself up for my track work Weds night. This really hit me last night on my run, and I think I am making some - maybe most - people uncomfortable with my running right now. I really didn't think about till I had this friendly exchange yesterday with a great runner and person (I will leave this person anonymous ) this was said: No one runs 18 miles at MP during training. Almost no one runs a 23 mile LR at any pace. And no one turns around and runs 7 miles the day after an LR (of any distance). But you can do all three and feel good today?!?!. You are going to sooo rock Seattle. A BQ for you is a given if you get to the starting line uninjured. You're ready right now, truth be known. When I posted my runs Sat and Sun I imagine that a lot of people were thinking...is Tim nuts. I am not and I am still doing the same training plan Ribs coached me with with last year. But I am adding more miles to my long runs - and speed work now - as it is time preparing for Seattle. But I just don't necessarily agree with 20 miles being a persons long run when then there is a 10K left. I now not only have the physical ability to run 23 miles comfortably - with quality speed work within - but more importantly I have conquered the fear most have that at the 20 mile mark running a Marathon, there seems to be this invisible wall where a person starts the crash and burn process. If Ribs was serious - I know he was - he told me to keep doing what I have been doing because I have a huge base I am drawing from. I want EVERYONE to know that I am being smarter about my training than ever, and I am running a lot more recovery runs than I ever have before also. Nothing is hurting on me and I am being extremely cautious, and this will continue. Please accept me - for me, and realize I may do things a little different. But I think my longer runs will be beneficial when I do toe up at Seattle and try and BQ. But will admit the hills do worry me because I really am not doing any real hill work, but my my long runs and 30 mile weekends should give me the endurance and stamina to conquer the hills and finish strong. Speaking of stamina, I am trying to work on that as I think that would have been a weakness for me last year running Marathons. So that's why I ran 18 miles at Marathon pace Sat, and that makes perfect sense to me trying to build stamina. I felt great after that run and could have ran more miles at that pace, but I may be nuts....but not that nuts And now the hydration and fueling issues - I agree with less or none is better on most our runs, but don't really agree with running 20 or more miles using this thought process (could be dangerous the way I think about it) I will admit my last 2 - 23 milers I nailed my fuel and hydration needs and felt great at the end. But with some of the theories I am hearing is - it is better to crash and burn and barely making it home, then feeling good after the long run....I have a hard time with that thinking myself. But hey...I am not saying I am right Speaking of work....I need to get some done... Hope everyone has a great day... happy running...and hugs to our injured folk! TimBo Speaking of the hills at Seattle, this looks like a 5 mile climb between miles 15 and 20...yikes. Click on the 26.2 button on the right hand side to make the graph bigger http://www.rnrseattle.com/elite/Assets/rnrsea/images/sea_09_elevation_chart_v2.jpg

Plan is to do 8X1k at 3:45 per k pace along the canal at lunch today. Looks like a gorgeous day..and sunny. 12 Days to go till M day.... Get your motor running Head out on the highway Lookin' for adventure In whatever comes our way (that's really what a marathon is all about..whatever comes our way and can we overcome it) Enjoy Tall

Tired but happy now. (blaming the tiredness on Ovechkin and Crosby though)

And the happiness on Steckel? Condolences to all Canadians this morning. You know why. Henrun—glad to hear you don’t have a stress fracture. PF should be more manageable. Leslie—nice job on that tough 30K Eliz—I’m with your doc; no need for speedwork for a first marathon. (And glad your shoulder’s better.) Weighed in for the first time in about six weeks. Up 4 pounds; I had no idea I had developed that much muscle. Cooler today so a sproinkier run with hills. 8.6 miles.

good morning thanks evryday, Karin, Sue, Nancy.... (Karin.. red or white?) You are just what I needed this morning... I was a bit bummed (hee) because I tripped again this morning. . After just about a half mile. This is getting ridiculous. I tried one more lap, it hurt, so I stopped & did 45 min. on the elliptical, 6.15 miles I think. side planks & reverse crunches w/the stability ball, and that was it! Time to develop a new plan... well, I just did. But I need to change it. Late as always for that same stupid thing Lou has to do. Later to catch up I hope.

Timbo--your running makes me uncomfortable only if envious is counted as uncomfortable As for me, another complete lake loop and at an improved pace!! 3.1 Mi in 32:05.94, Avg pace 10:22 Here's a question for everyone. I can now do my 5K loop at a comfortable pace. Should I start working on doing the loop faster or add distance, even if it means slowing down again? I know the distance will have to start going up eventually, but I'm wondering if I should be down into my old training pace (under 9M/M) before I start on that. Thanks

Tim, I doubt anyone is shaking thier head at your runs in any negative light. Frankly, I'm quite jealous of your mileage and paceing.........like I'm sure many others are. Here's a quote I like to use. It's from one of my favorite IronBabes.....I'm quite sure you can relate to this. "If you over trained, it means that you didn't train hard enough to handle that level of training...So you weren't over trained; you were actually under trained to begin with..." (Hillary Biscay) Ironman Freak- Now we could talk about some potentially flawed logic in your thinking about a 23 miler with 18 at MP. While there are certainly some gains there it's the timing on this training that will have more positive or negative result. In your case I think the timing was spot on........3 weeks ago probably not so good. And of course.......maybe your MP is too high. Like Bill said......most can't.