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running in the dark (Read 58 times)

mecrowe


Computer Geek

    Ok....I need some advice.....my road miles are going to become trail miles tonight....but they will be in the dark....and I have never run in the woods in the dark.  I have spent a lot of time in the woods at night (camping, hunting, hiking, etc.....so the dark doesn't bother me at all but I have never run in the dark.  I have two head lamps....a Fenix HP11 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA09001G5469) and a Petzl Tikkina (http://www.petzl.com/us/outdoor/headlamp/universal/tikkina).

     

    The Fenix is ultra bright but more of a spotlight....the Petzl casts a bit wider of a path but is only 23 lumens....it is really my son's camping light.

     

    I will be taking both with me and testing them both.

     

    any advice on night running would be greatly appreciated.  do you just stare at your feet the whole time?   look ahead?  any other concerns?

     

     

    thanks!

    --mike

    Birdwell


      I really like to have one lamp on my head, and one lamp somewhere between my waist and chest (I'll hook one to my pack waistrap, or my vest chest strap) It gives me a much better perspective of the ground. When I'm using only a head lamp, it doesn't cast any shadows and I tend to trip a bit more.

      I'll use a very strong spotlight on my head, and use a wide pattern light for my chest/waist light. I also will often times take the headlamp off, and wrap the strap around my hand and carry it like that, pointing at the ground of course.

       

      It won't take very much time at all to decide what you like, and what you don't.

       

      If the sky is clear, take some time to turn off the lights, and enjoy running in the natural moonlight.

        I like to wear a headlamp for overall illumination (I use a Petxl MYO XP), but then will carry a strong flashlight to help me better see trail obstacles (roots, rocks, etc.).  I try to keep my focus about 3-4 feet ahead of me.  If the trail becomes too technical and I start tripping, I simply slow down!

        FTYC


        Faster Than Your Couch!

          I'd take the bright lamp. On the trails at night, the light makes all the difference. You don't need much of an illuminated area, just the bit ahead of you, but you want to see the small obstacles quite clearly.

           

          My headlamp is only 40 lumens, and I can't run on trails with it, except non-technical trails which are rare in my area. When I ran the Stone Mill 50, I used the light casted by other runners' headlamps, and I was surprised how easy it was to run trails with a good light. (The trails there were not technical, but with my lamp, I was still struggling).

           

          However, a second light source might be helpful to get a better "3D" feel. With just the headlamp, you run in a "light bubble" around your head (especially in rain or fog), and you don't get much of the spatial resolution.

           

          +1 on turning off the light every once in a while and run in the moonlight - priceless experience!

           

          Watch out for the trail markers, getting lost in the dark is not so great. So no, you don't stare at your feet all the time. But it takes a lot of concentration and can be quite exhausting, depending on the terrain, trees, how well the trail is marked, if it is overgrown, etc..

          Run for fun.

          MadisonMandy


          Refurbished Hip

            That poor little 23 lumened Petzl probably won't do you any good Smile  My Petzl is 80 lumens and it's not enough sometimes.  (I keep wanting to upgrade...)

             

            I like a headlamp/flash light combo for technical trails at night.   And make sure your batteries are fresh!

            Running is dumb.


            Uh oh... now what?

              ...  I have spent a lot of time in the woods at night (camping, hunting, hiking, etc.....so the dark doesn't bother me at all but I have never run in the dark.

               

              any advice on night running would be greatly appreciated.  do you just stare at your feet the whole time?   look ahead?  any other concerns?

               

              The dark has never bothered me neither.  It's the things that are out there.  It's the eyes

              that look back, the shuffling you hear, the almost seen shadow as the light beam catches

              movement.  The moving pile of leaves that turned out to have a porcupine under it.  It was

              the great horned owl with the sense of humor--it was only about ten feet away when it

              decided to announce its presence... very loudly.  Something carried Kathy off one night,

              but dropped her after about a hundred feet.  As Ken Chlouber told us the night before

              Leadville, "Remember, there are things out there that will eat you."  The guy next to me

              asked, "Is he serious?"  Given a straight line like that I replied, "Yes."

               

              I use just the headlamp (whichever one Kathy lets me use, she always gets the bright

              one) when of easy stuff--(adding) turning on the handheld when on the rooty rocky stuff.

               

              Night vision training from long ago:  move your eyes a lot, staring will mess things up.

              I rarely look at my feet.  The mind is a wonderful computer that translates what your

              eyes are roving over and adjusts your feet accordingly--not a conscious effort thing.

              Gumby66


                Good advice on two lights, one headlight for more than an hour or so is a strange experience

                 

                Focus of picking up your feet a bit more than usual

                 

                probably not the best time to try out a new trail, although that mimics race experience But in a race, you usually have course markings.

                 

                Might want to run with ID, my DW loves it when I call my ID her " dead body claim check"

                AT-runner


                Tim

                  I use a light attached to the chest strap of my vest, and a handheld light for extra illumination.  I don't like having a light on my head.

                  The chest light is aimed in front of me.  The hand held, helps me avoid the feeling of tunnel vision.  It's quite different at night since your world shrinks down to the area outlined by your light.

                   

                  Go slow, get comfortable.  With more night running, you can add speed.

                  “Paralysis-to-50k” training plan is underway! 

                  Scrapster


                    Two lights + extra batteries.  Play around with where you wear them (head, chest, waist, wrist) and the angle of the headlamps.  I like my handheld, but being in the bubble of light for too long makes me a bit loopy.

                     

                    Have fun!

                    mecrowe


                    Computer Geek

                      Thanks all!   i'm heading out in about an hour.  im heading out alone...but at leadt two people know exeactly where im going and when i'll be back....and i'm pretty familiar with the trail.

                      cookiemonster


                      Connoisseur of Cookies

                        You need one of those hand held million candle power lamps.  That way you know *exactly* where you're going.

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                        "C" is for cookie.  That's good enough for me.

                        Sandy-2


                          I probably missed you so I hope you're having fun out there.

                           

                          I also like the perspective with two lights.  I use a headlamp and a handheld combination.  I'm pretty good at keeping the handheld steady, but see that some folks swing their arms so much that the handheld light shines all over the place.  When I'm running near someone doing that I start getting dizzy...

                           

                          Let us know how it goes.

                          2/17/24 - Forgotten Florida 100 Mile, Christmas, FL

                          mecrowe


                          Computer Geek

                            it was awesome...time for a shower and bed...full report tomorrow

                            Watoni


                              Almost all my runs lately have begun or ended in the dark on trails.

                               

                              I have a Fenix flashlight but my favorite is my bike light (Light and Motion Urban 550). It is easy to hold (the rubber mount is like a handle); it is 550 lumens on high, and lasts 1.5 hours at that level (and is rechargeable). Weight is 1/4 pound. Normally medium or even low (3:00/6:00 hour run time) is fine, with high reserved for technical downhills. It also fits in my back pocket easily for parts of the run where it is light and I don't notice it when it is there.

                               

                              Have fun!

                              mecrowe


                              Computer Geek

                                So last nights run was awesome.  For the first time running in the dark, I was extremely happy with how it went.  The Fenix headlamp worked out great....I had it on medium power and let it cast its light about 8-10 feet in front of me and I just ran as if it was daylight.  I was anticipating much more looking at my footfalls but I really didn't need to except for a couple really technical, rocky descents.  I went in with a goal of maintaining  at least a 15 minute per mile pace but easily kept it around 13:20 per mile.....which isn't very far off what my typical long runs average on the LH Trail.  It was an absolutely gorgeous night, 60 degrees and overcast.....the moon was never bright enough to turn the light off while moving but I did take a couple minutes to pause at a clearing and admire the fully lit ski resort on the next mountain over.

                                 

                                The trail was muddy and extremely wet with several 50 yard sections of standing water the was 4-6 inches deep.  No chance of keeping dry feet.....but it was so much fun to just go splashing through the mud and the muck....I really didn't care.  Smile

                                 

                                 

                                Thanks for all the help and advice.  This definitely will not be the last time I spend hours of darkness in the trail.

                                 

                                --mike

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