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      Hi Cheryl, Welcome to the bench. As another person with thyroid issues (I'm hypothyroid, and take Synthryoid to maintain healthy function) I can tell you I definitely feel your pain about feeling bad, both physically and mentally. Even though my labs have been normal for almost a year now, sometimes I still feel just "off" mentally and it's SO frusterating. Good luck at the doctors on Friday, let us know how it goes!
        H Shaunna - thanks so much for sharing with me! It really helps so much. It's so hard to explain how the hypo messes with your head. Wish I had a little warning about that. I was basically euthyroid prior to my surgery.Thanks again Big grin

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        Dog-Love

          Hi Cheryl: Another Alaskan here and I am sorry you are not 100%. We sure all appreciate our health and I am an endocrinologist and I know how crumby we get to feeling when our hormones run amock. I wish you the best getting to feeling like your old self. I have been really impressed with your mileage! And I know the weather hasn't been ideal. I got my last trail run in yesterday (6 miles) it was gorgeous and now I am onto 4 weeks recovery
          Run like you are on fire! 5K goal 24:00 or less (PR 24:34) 10K goal 50:00 or less (PR 52:45) HM goal 1:55:00 or less (PR 2:03:02) Marathon Goal...Less than my PR (PR 4:33:23)
            Hi Sherry - thanks for your kind words. BTW - i like your avatar as my "sign" is Cancer! Cheryl

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            Dog-Love

              Interesting how the body changes instantaneously. There is still so much to understand about physiology. And so frustrating that the "veil" can come up or down for no apparent reason. Hope it stays up for you! I know what you mean though because although the surgery went really well, I have pain pills and when they kick in...its like an immediate change in sensing the environment. Definitely out of body experience. Do you run on the Tony Knowles Trail? I love that trail when I am up in Anchorage.
              Run like you are on fire! 5K goal 24:00 or less (PR 24:34) 10K goal 50:00 or less (PR 52:45) HM goal 1:55:00 or less (PR 2:03:02) Marathon Goal...Less than my PR (PR 4:33:23)
                Hi Sherry, When you're feeling better do you mind if I ask you a question as an endocrinologist? My most recent TSH level was 1.4, the doctor told me she usually looks for values in the 0-1 range but I read online that anything under 2 is considered "ok". I am on 0.05 mg of Synthroid and have been for over a year, but I still get hypo sympotoms sometimes. I thought that if you were just under a TSH of 2 but still had symptoms, then you should have your T3 and T4 tested, but my doctor says no, she only goes by TSH level. I thought this was why my primary care wanted me to see an endorcrine specialist in the first place!! Does this seem normal to you? Thanks so much, and if you don't want to answer or aren't feeling up to it after your surgery, that's ok. Shaunna
                  Shaunna - if you test T3 and T4 make sure they are the Free T3 and Free T4, - the Free levels are levels of the hormone that are available for your body to use. T4 is the prohormone and T3 is what is active on the cellular level. If you are having hypo symptoms, it would be really good to see where you are. You can be in the "normal" range - but most people tend to feel better when they are in the mid to upper 1/3 of the normal range - it is an individual thing and you do have to look at your symptoms as well. It's an easy thing to check, and good to get some baseline readings while you are on a low dose. If your endocrinologist is set against it(?), maybe your primary care will order it for you. You might also wonder why your endocrinologist is prescribing a T4 drug(that is what synthroid is) and yet is against testing for the levels of the medication she is prescribing for you. BTW- I'm not Sherry! Hope you don't mind me sharing some of my research with you..

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                    Thanks Cheryl! I really appreciate you sharing what you've learned. I willl ask her to do the free T3 and free T4 tests and if she refuses, I'll see someone ask or ask my PCP to do it. When you say most people feel better in the mid to upper 1/3 of the normal range, do you mean TSH values closer to 0 or closer to 2? Or were you refering to T3 and T4 numbers?? Thanks again!


                    Dog-Love

                      Sorry...I have been sleeping. Cheryl knows a good deal about this and has done her research! T3 is the bioactive form and is made from T4. T4 is made in the thyroid gland and circulates in the blood bound to a binding protein so for the most part is not "free". Blood and tissues have enzymes that take one iodine off to make T3 which is the metabolic hormone. They measure TSH first off to see if Thyroid hormones are being regulated right. TSH is made in the pituitary gland and if your T4,T3 levels are low TSH should be high. T4 and T3 (free) will "talk" to the pituitary to slow it down (if levels are high) or speed it up (if levels are low). TSH is more straight forward to measure as it is a protein hormone and is not bound to other proteins. A blood test can give you total T4/T3 and free and is the most direct test for thyroid hormone levels. I am definitely not an expert on clinical levels but I am sure the range represents a range of levels in "normals". Best of luck..sounds like you have a lot going on.
                      Run like you are on fire! 5K goal 24:00 or less (PR 24:34) 10K goal 50:00 or less (PR 52:45) HM goal 1:55:00 or less (PR 2:03:02) Marathon Goal...Less than my PR (PR 4:33:23)
                        Shaunna - sorry - I was referring to the free T3 levels. Again I want to clarify that everyone is different, and that is why it is so important to know what is your normal range. Most women are "happiest" with a TSH around 1. You should start keeping track of your labs and the normal ranges. Example - my lab uses a range of 240 -420 for the "normal" range of Free T3. That is a range of 180 points - you better believe that people are going to feel symptomatic at either end of that range, and yet there are docs out there that will say - your problems are not from your thyroid if you fall "anywhere" in the normal range. Your thyroid gland puts out about 80% T4 and 20% T3, another reason to know what your free T3 levels are. The rest of your T3 comes from converting T4 as Sherry said. That has been my problem. My free T3 levels have been steadily dropping since surgery. I think I may be one of those people who are more dependant on that 20% T3 output that I no longer have. However, since I have been feeling better lately, I'm hopeful that my body has learned to adapt and is doing a better job of converting that T4 to T3. Keep your fingers crossed for me! I encourage you to be proactive about this as at your age, it would not be unreasonable to expect changes in your doses from time to time. Women are 10x more likely than men to become hypothyroid, and many have this happen during the perimenopausal years. I really think all women should have a screening TSH,and Free T3 and T4 in their late 30's to early 40's, just to establish a baseline. Good luck, and keep me posted! Sherry - I was a CCRN for 10 years before I stayed home to raise DS - the medical background really helps when doing research!

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                          Cheryl and Sherry- Wow, thank you both so much for all of the information.I know all my old lab results are at my parents house, so I will call them and see if they can send them to me. I was fist diagnosed when I turned 21 and was battling depression, crazy mood swings, general sluggishness, and weight gain despite excercising every day and eating really healthy. I used to just trust my PCP, but now I want to be more aware of what is going on and not just trust the doctor to presecribe the right thing. Thanks so much for teaching me about all everything works. I really appreciate it! Smile
                            Shaunna - I was feeling a little embarrassed about "sharing" so much of my story, but if I have helped you in any way, then I am really glad I did! Smile

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                              If you are on synthroid (or other varients of replacement hormone) are T4 and T Free T3 accurate? (ie, can you monitor how therapy is working by them?) I know you usually follow the TSH levels.... Since this group seems to be mostly women - dont forget that if you have thyroid problems and take hormones, talk about this with your doctor when\if you plan on getting pregnant! It is important to follow them before and during pregnancy. Blush
                                You still check FreeT4 as plain T4 includes hormone that is protein bound and not a very helpful number. If you have a thyroid, a TSH is more important as it's hard to predict exactly what your own thyroid is producing, but it should never be the only value used. Synthroid is T4 - but it has a long half-life - I found it could take as long as 2 weeks to notice the effects of dose change - but as much as 4-6 weeks for doses to take full effect. That said, I used to feel a "flush" about the time the pill would be absorbed, and it is possible to have a false high FT4 value if you take it too close to the time of your lab draw. It wouldn't effect either the TSH or the FT3 level. My endo always goes by TSH and FT4, but was willing to monitor FT3 levels as well when I asked for them. If you are on Armour or Cytomel + Synthroid, those combos will depress TSH rendering that value basically useless, and prescribing is done with FT4 and FT3. I don't take my daily synthroid dose until after my labs are drawn, and I make sure that I have them drawn at the same time of day under similar conditions. Had my labs drawn this morning and am anxiously waiting for the new results! Here's a couple of links http://thyroid.about.com/cs/hypothyroidism/a/undertreated.htm http://www.thyroidmanager.org/index.html

                                Life is not measured by the number of breaths we take, but by the number of moments that take our breath away...(unkown)




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