who knows...
My race plan thus far is to run the first 50 at about 9 hours and allow for 15 hours for the second half (though with the hope I will not take the full amount). Finishing under 24 hours is, of course, my first goal. Finishing period is my second.
Does this sound as logical as it can given that we are talking about a 100 mile run?
It seemed easier to reply to my own post instead of modifying the original.
Good Bad & The Monkey
I'm running somewhere tomorrow. It's going to be beautiful. I can't wait.
Poor baby
Sprtb, I have ran several 100 mile races with the only goal to finish and enjoy the outdoors.
From looking at your recent training history you should be in good shape for a 24hr finish. While I am not familar with your longer history you may actually be over-training(I know I did for my first).
My advice would be to run the first half a little slower, maybe about 10hrs. Once night falls and you get into uncharted territory(i.e. more miles than you have ever covered in a single run) you do not want your legs to be shot by actually racing the first half. Unless, by chance, you are looking to actually compete and win
Just keep eating, drinking and 'relentlessly moving forward'.
You are going to do great.. Let us know how it turns out for you.
Dennis
Not a 100 mile veteran. But I wonder, why plan to run a 9/15 split race?
@TRENT I was averaging my last two 50 mile races. My last 50 (the faster of the two) was run at a comfortable pace, which to me (not having run a 100 before) seemed doable for a 100--so I was thinking of increasing the time by 30 min. to 1 hour. At 15 hours, I could, if I needed, walk much of the second half. After I posted that split I started thinking more about it. That it caught the attention of both you and Dennis confirms the voice in the back of my head saying it was a bit "weighted."
@DENNIS I like and am comfortable with readjusting to a 10-14 split. The split really is only to help me mentally before the race--it provides some sense of "knowability" for the unknown. When I am running I have tended not to focus on time but on "feel" (which may work against me if I am not careful about controlling my pace in the first half). Training has been fairly consistent. This week I put in over 100 miles and I thought about doing another 100 mile week the next but I think at that point I am risking over training (and injury) too close to the race. So I suppose the best thing is to start the taper.
Thanks.
You'll ruin your knees!
I would agree with those who have suggested slowing down in the first half. My first 100 was sub 24 and I went out at a pace that felt "rediculously" slow! I was probably in the bottom 10% at 20 miles, maybe still there at the end of 40 miles... funny thing happened... I didn't slow down much in the last 60 miles and ended up passing people all night long... people that were HOURS ahead of me at 50/60 miles into the race. I cannot begin to tell you how much energy I "stole" from those runners I was passing at midnight, 1 am, 2 am... etc. I was still running when many were reduced to a crawl... for some reason, this was an unplanned energy source that would have been totally unaccessible had I gone out faster.
You can expect strange things to happen at night... mentally, the 100 is waaaaay more than twice a 50. My advice is to slow down during the daytime... making time on the first half is a dangerous tactic. For what it is worth, my time at 60 miles was 13:07:25 (which probably puts my 50 mile split around 11 hours) and my finish time was 23:02:25.
As the others have suggested, it appears you have the mileage base to do well, the only challenge you have at this point is execution!
Best of luck!
Lynn B
""...the truth that someday, you will go for your last run. But not today—today you got to run." - Matt Crownover (after Western States)
I couldn't have said it any better than Lynn. I did the same thing at my first 100...went out WAAAYYY slower than what "felt" good... and it really paid off big time in the end. Passing several hundred people in the last 50 is a HUGE emotional boost.
My splits were 46% out / 54% back.
I'm a heck of a lot slower than the rest of you guys though.
I would agree with those who have suggested slowing down in the first half. My first 100 was sub 24 and I went out at a pace that felt "rediculously" slow! I was probably in the bottom 10% at 20 miles, maybe still there at the end of 40 miles... funny thing happened... I didn't slow down much in the last 60 miles and ended up passing people all night long... people that were HOURS ahead of me at 50/60 miles into the race. I cannot begin to tell you how much energy I "stole" from those runners I was passing at midnight, 1 am, 2 am... etc. I was still running when many were reduced to a crawl... for some reason, this was an unplanned energy source that would have been totally unaccessible had I gone out faster. You can expect strange things to happen at night... mentally, the 100 is waaaaay more than twice a 50. My advice is to slow down during the daytime... making time on the first half is a dangerous tactic. For what it is worth, my time at 60 miles was 13:07:25 (which probably puts my 50 mile split around 11 hours) and my finish time was 23:02:25. As the others have suggested, it appears you have the mileage base to do well, the only challenge you have at this point is execution! Best of luck! Lynn B
Wasatch Speedgoat
I have been running 100's since 1998 with at least one per year, most years several. By now you would think I would have learned to urn them properly, but no
I think it is a lifelong process of adjustment to run your best race...
One thing I have learned along the way is that you really cannot go out slow enough. I recently told a very fast runner friend of mine to walk the first 2 miles at Massanutten to keep from going out with the pack, which would certainly cause him to crash and burn due to inexperience. He did this, as much as it was against his grain and all day long slowly moved up the field, finishing 11th place in 25:08. to me that is the perfect 100. He's on his own next year to experiment and learn....
Last year at Hardrock I walked out of town and had a great time all day long into the night, all the 2nd day into the 2nd night! Finished in 43 hours around midpack....
At Bighorn in 2004 I walked the first several miles and finished 13th in 29:35.
At Massanutten in 2005 I walked the first 2 miles and ran 27:35, a pb by over an hour at age 53.
My prior races were all not enjoyable, running out from the start and gradually getting slower and sick, having to drop out of many. Even at Vermont in 1998, my first, I had someone with me who was making me walk a lot in the first half. I ended up running 19:45 in 23rd place.
So going out slow is "the" most important thing you can do....the 2nd most important thing you can do is not overtrain leading up to the race. With your 100 just 3 weeks out, you should be starting to think about backing off now instead of training. If you run 100 miles this week, you should only run 50 next week and 25 on race week. Race week shouldn't be run much faster than a walk....very low HR to recover from prior training and to rest up for the race. You should be at the starting line wanting to bust out, and then don't...
Best of luck and remember you're beter off being more rested than more trained
Steve
Life is short, play hard!
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You should be at the starting line wanting to bust out, and then don't...
This may well be the best ultra advice any of us will ever hear.
When I was just getting started in the ultra stuff, a running "mentor" of mine told me...
Remember to walk early in a race, then remember to run late in a race...
@ALL Thanks to all for the unanimous voice. My initial plan had been to run comfortable at the start and alter pace accordingly, walk the hills, and try not to cry too much It certainly sounds that for a sub-24 hour finish it is still best to go out slower than what seems comfortable. In my long runs I have been trying to keep myself at a 9 min pace or slower to get myself used to running effectively at a slower pace (which actually takes more practice than I would have thought) but also to round out the range of muscle training by running regular easy, medium, and hill runs during the rest of the week.
Good luck