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    I have a trail marathon on April 7.  My schedule for the next two weeks (per my coach), beginning with this weekend is:

    Sat        24 trail miles
    Sun        10 trail miles
    Mon         Rest
    Tues        5 miles steady pace
    Wed        3 miles EZ
    Thurs    5 miles (1 EZ, 3 Race Pace, 1 EZ)

    Sat        10 trail miles
    Sun        5 trail miles
    Mon        Rest
    Tues        4 miles (1 EZ, 3 RP, 1 EZ)
    Wed        3 miles (1 EZ, 1 RP, 1 EZ)
    Thurs    Rest
    Fri        Rest or 3 EZ
    Sat        Trail Marathon

     

    A running friend has indicated this is too heavy of a schedule and that this weekend I should be running more than 13/8.  This is a typical taper for me.  In your "humble" opinions, should  my coach have me running shorter miles this weekend?  My friend's new coach (she used to use the same as me) says this is too much running prior to a race.

     

    What say you?

    Leslie
    Living and Running Behind the Redwood Curtain
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    2014: May - MDW 70-Miles; July - Mt. Hood 50


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    Not A Runner

      Huh.  All the smart people are away from their computers and you need to know by tomorrow.  I know nothing, srl would run two marathons every weekend leading up to it, DB would run the equivalent of two marathons every day leading up to it.  Surely there is someone out thee that knows something.

       

      I would really post this on the big page.  Some smart runners float around there.  Of course, they will probably steer you towards mileage that suits a traditional runner (lower mileage than an ultrarunner would do). 

       

      I really know nothing, but when I saw that 24 for tomorrow I was pretty surprised.  It seemed like a bit much.

      I want to do it because I want to do it.  -Amelia Earhart

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        I personally wouldn't be too worried about a 24 miler followed by a 2 week taper IF you feel good.  If you feel beat up, I'd cut that back.  But that said, 24 is kind of in nowhere's ville regarding training goodness.  You'd probably be plenty ok with something closer to 18-20.

         

        So says the guy who hasn't examined your training log in any detail.

         

        it really comes down to how you are feeling.

         

        NOW... 24 followed by 10?  I'm not sure what that's about.  That's a lot of miles for two days to prepare for a marathon.  I would ask the coach what the purpose of that is supposed to be.  I dunno that I'd shave it to 13/8, but maybe 20/5.  Depends on how you feel.

         

        Edited to add: ok, now I've glanced at your log.  The long run/10 mile combo has been a fixture of your training for a month or so your whole training program (?)... with not so much running during the week.  I suppose that's a way to up your overall volume?  Hmmm.  Based on the build, 24/10 is a logical progression, but I'm not sure why.

         

        What is the trail marathon? 

         

          Thanks for your input.  SRL, I'm running Grizzly Peak

           

          I didn't run my 7 this past Wednesday because I was exhausted (not sleeping well has been an issue for awhile now).  Thursday, I felt like a brand new person.

           

          But yes, all my training programs have been basically the same for a couple of years now.

           

          Wrigley -  The subject came up this morning. I wanted to post this question earlier; alas, my boss thought I should work my butt of today. Smile

           

          One of the things that surprised me was him taking me all the way up to 24.  Previous training programs have had my longest run about 4-6 miles shorter than the race I'm actually running (usually 50ks).  FYI, I was injured and not running for six months.  I just started back up in September.  I am participating in the WS 3-day training run (70 miles in 3 days) over Memorial Day Weekend and a 50-miler (Mt. Hood) in July.  I'm thinking he's wanting to get my base built up.  That being said, I've always had only one taper weekend before a race.

          Leslie
          Living and Running Behind the Redwood Curtain
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          2014: May - MDW 70-Miles; July - Mt. Hood 50


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            Eeekk

             

            Sat        24 trail miles
            Sun      10 trail miles

             

            two weeks before a run is a bit heavy in my opinion, maybe three weeks out would have been a little better. However I tend to do a long one at about the same period but without the back to back ('cos I am lazy and old) . It is a bit like me saying should I do a hilly 50km tomorrow 3 weeks after a 100 miler....I want to but....do I really want to

            Jerry
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              I've decided to go with the 13, but will back it up with 8-10 tomorrow, and we'll see how I do in two weeks.

               

              Last night I did a little bit of perusing on the 'net re running plans.  The few I was able to find tended toward this weekend being shorter.

               

              I'm also very bored with my training programs as they are the same, i.e., I could go back two years ago and basically find the same program.  I think it's time Coach and I had a talk about changing things up.

               

              Thanks ~

              Leslie
              Living and Running Behind the Redwood Curtain
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              2014: May - MDW 70-Miles; July - Mt. Hood 50


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              Imminent Catastrophe

                Sort of too late but 24+10 does seem like a lot for a marathon. Is your coach thinking you're doing a 50-miler? Because 24+10 seems more like 50-miler/100k training.

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                  I agree you should go by how you feel. I think 24/10 could be ok if you feel good, but it's also a little unnecessary in my opinion for a marathon. (Says the person whose training has been shit lately.)

                  ~Sara
                  It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard is what makes it great. ~ Jimmy Dugan

                    I agree you should go by how you feel. I think 24/10 could be ok if you feel good, but it's also a little unnecessary in my opinion for a marathon. (Says the person whose training has been shit lately.)

                     

                    Big grin

                     

                    I did 13 today, and it felt good.  Tomorrow I'll do 8.  We'll see how things go in a couple of weeks.

                     

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                    And I'm thinking I might need to look around for another coach to get a fresh, new perspective toward my running.

                    Leslie
                    Living and Running Behind the Redwood Curtain
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                    2014: May - MDW 70-Miles; July - Mt. Hood 50


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                    Marathon Maniac #957

                      Leslie - I agree that 24/10 two weeks out is a lot - it would be too much for me, as far as complete recovery.  Maybe because I'm an old broad, but even three weeks out I would be more likely to do only 7/22 for a marathon distance.

                      Life is a headlong rush into the unknown. We can hunker down and hope nothing hits us or we can stand tall, lean into the wind and say, "Bring it on, darlin', and don't be stingy with the jalapenos."


                      Spring- wishful thinking

                        I've trained to race somewhere around 15 marathons.  The most aggressive I've done two weeks out has been 22 followed by 8 the next day, and this was when I was averaging 80 MPW.  Maybe if you were doing 100 MPW, this schedule would be okay, otherwise, the general rule is long runs should be 30% of your total training volume at peak.  Your coach has you doing long runs over 50% of your training volume during taper.  Seems a little crazy to me.

                          The more I compare his schedules to my friends', yeah, I agree the mileage is crazy. 

                           

                          I decided last night (when I couldn't sleep 'cause all this coaching stuff was rolling around in my head) to go ahead and broach the subject with my friends, Russ and Gary, and see if either of them would be willing to take me on as a client for a nominal fee.  I know I need someone to work with me, so I'm keeping my fingers crossed one of them will be up for it.

                           

                          My buddy also said she was going to talk to her sister about sharing with me her 50-mile training schedule when she did Mt. Hood 2 years ago.  If she is willing to do that, then I might only need one of the guys to tweak it for me a bit.

                           

                          The hard part is going to be telling my coach, Bill, that I don't want to use his services anymore. Undecided

                          Leslie
                          Living and Running Behind the Redwood Curtain
                          -------------

                          2014: May - MDW 70-Miles; July - Mt. Hood 50


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                            I know I need someone to work with me, so I'm keeping my fingers crossed one of them will be up for it.

                             

                             

                            Why do you feel this way?  What is it that you get from a coach that is so important?   I'm not knocking coaches, just honestly curious about what it is you are looking for.

                            DoppleBock


                              24 trail miles done at a very easy effort level sound fine ... 24 trail miles done at a moderate or higher effort level would seem a bit much.  It is all about effort level.

                               

                              I would trust your coach ... if you want to do what you want to do - why have a coach?

                               

                              I have a trail marathon on April 7.  My schedule for the next two weeks (per my coach), beginning with this weekend is:

                              Sat        24 trail miles
                              Sun        10 trail miles
                              Mon         Rest
                              Tues        5 miles steady pace
                              Wed        3 miles EZ
                              Thurs    5 miles (1 EZ, 3 Race Pace, 1 EZ)

                              Sat        10 trail miles
                              Sun        5 trail miles
                              Mon        Rest
                              Tues        4 miles (1 EZ, 3 RP, 1 EZ)
                              Wed        3 miles (1 EZ, 1 RP, 1 EZ)
                              Thurs    Rest
                              Fri        Rest or 3 EZ
                              Sat        Trail Marathon

                               

                              A running friend has indicated this is too heavy of a schedule and that this weekend I should be running more than 13/8.  This is a typical taper for me.  In your "humble" opinions, should  my coach have me running shorter miles this weekend?  My friend's new coach (she used to use the same as me) says this is too much running prior to a race.

                               

                              What say you?

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                                You guys are killing me with the great questions! Making me think more and all. Smile

                                 

                                Why do I want a coach?  Because I know I don't have the knowledge to do what I want to do and succeed.  I need all the help I can get, seriously.

                                 

                                I think my coach has done a good job up to this point, but I don't think he has the knowledge or experience to get me further.  He has more experience at marathons and triathlons, has only run one 50-miler, and in the last couple of years has gotten more into his cycling than running, which is really cool because he's having great success in cycling.  I'd like to work with someone who has actual experience in running 50 and 100 milers.

                                Leslie
                                Living and Running Behind the Redwood Curtain
                                -------------

                                2014: May - MDW 70-Miles; July - Mt. Hood 50


                                "The farther you go outside, the farther you go inside." (Unknown)
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