RunningAHEAD - Topic: In need of a Moral compass

Swedish Fish

posted: 5/15/2009 at 11:14 AM

Quote from perfesserr on 5/15/2009 at 9:24 AM:

Oh man, he has the same shoes as I do! I'm going to have to get new ones now. I feel violated somehow...

Matt

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bhearn

posted: 5/15/2009 at 11:14 AM
modified: 5/15/2009 at 11:15 AM

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the skootr

Skooter 3.0

posted: 5/15/2009 at 11:17 AM
modified: 5/15/2009 at 11:18 AM

Quote from sparky_ on 5/15/2009 at 10:07 AM:

so now everyone finally agrees: 1. Banditing is wrong no matter what size the race. 2. Pirating music is only wrong if the band isn't signed to a major record label.

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Jeff

Why is it sideways?

posted: 5/15/2009 at 11:52 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8x3xNCK8R00

Batensmack

Beware, batbear...

posted: 5/15/2009 at 12:16 PM

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Jim2

posted: 5/15/2009 at 1:11 PM

In my opinion, the issue is simple. I don't view it as one of "legality", but of flagrant disregard of race rules, which makes it an ethical issue. In order to participate in the event, most races require that one be registered, which establishes a participant's identity in case of an incapacitating accident or injury, usually requires paying an entry fee, and often includes signing a liability waiver. Hence, banditry is wrong simply because it is a conscious and deliberate violation of race rules, which constitutes an unethical act....like choosing to use headphones in races that prohibit their use, to mention another favorite (or hated) thread topic. Wink

Jeff

Why is it sideways?

posted: 5/15/2009 at 1:31 PM
modified: 5/15/2009 at 1:31 PM

Jim, I was with you until you implied that the conscious and deliberate violation of rules is unethical. Solely the fact that a rule is consciously and deliberately broken does not make an act unethical (ask MLK, Ghandi, or Prefontaine for that matter). If the rule is unethical, the conscious and deliberate breaking of the rule is actually a highly ethical act. So, your argument needs one more step: you need to show that charging for a race is an ethical act. This is the place where everyone gets hung up on these threads, mainly because a race is a fairly frivolous and celebratory sort of event, one which seems to somehow function outside of the seriousness that is a quality of ethical questions. If you're still reading: here's my take. A race is a celebration of the running community and of the human body. That's it's spirit. It's not, at its heart, about profit. We contribute to the race because that's a way to be a part of the celebration. Not contributing and joining in the celebration is not unethical. It's just not reaping your full share of community life. Perhaps this is sad. But it's not an ethical violation.

slosh252

1983

posted: 5/15/2009 at 1:39 PM

What if everyone decided to bandit? There would be no race. No race = no celebration. Cry

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Trent

Good Bad & The Monkey

posted: 5/15/2009 at 1:40 PM

Dude. Go for a run.

I'm running somewhere tomorrow. It's going to be beautiful. I can't wait.

Poor baby

perfesserr

Imminent Catastrophe

posted: 5/15/2009 at 1:40 PM

Quote from Jeff on 5/15/2009 at 1:31 PM:

...A race is a celebration of the running community and of the human body. That's it's spirit. It's not, at its heart, about profit.

Except for Elite Racing events. It's OK to bandit those.

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MrH

posted: 5/15/2009 at 1:41 PM

Quote from Jeff on 5/15/2009 at 1:31 PM:

If you're still reading: here's my take.

Just curious, what would your take be if he's not still reading?

The process is the goal.

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Jeff

Why is it sideways?

posted: 5/15/2009 at 1:42 PM

Quote from slosh252 on 5/15/2009 at 1:39 PM:

What if everyone decided to bandit? There would be no race. No race = no celebration.

This is exactly why everyone doesn't decide to bandit. Slippery slope arguments assume a world without context. What if all race directors started charging exorbitant fees for the celebrations? And no one came! There would be no celebrations! Race fees = no celebration!

sparky_

posted: 5/15/2009 at 1:44 PM

Quote from Jeff on 5/15/2009 at 1:42 PM:

Race fees = no celebration!

crap... now i'm going to make sure i bandit some races. Its for the greater good of running society.

Jeff

Why is it sideways?

posted: 5/15/2009 at 1:46 PM

Quote from sparky_ on 5/15/2009 at 1:44 PM:

crap... now i'm going to make sure i bandit some races. Its for the greater good of running society.

Since apparently people cannot make sense of anything on the internet I should state that my previous post--the slippery slope one is a mockery of sloch's argument.

MrH

posted: 5/15/2009 at 1:49 PM

Quote from Jeff on 5/15/2009 at 1:46 PM:

I should state that my previous post is a mockery of sloch's argument.

And not an opinion that it's OK to bandit downhill races in wet conditions.

The process is the goal.

Men heap together the mistakes of their lives, and create a monster they call Destiny.

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