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Mitch & Pete's Mom
Ooh, I like that one!
+1 Could have used that this morning while dragging him into the car to go to school.
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I'm not sure I could say this with a straight face!
Being the best tiny spec that I can be!
Try my fave: "Fair is a place where hogs compete for ribbons"
That's even better than my Dad's "Where on your birth certificate does it say life is fair?".
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At our lab meeting today - we decided to pick our PI's brain about H1N1. 45 minutes and an entire whiteboard later, this is the knowledge I bring you. Don't ask me to explain it again...
Ro = Bi*C*D
B = Infectivity rate
C = number of contacts
D = Duration of infectivity
Somehow - that all adds up to childcare. Take your kids out of daycare because THAT, dear people, is the problem.
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School ≠ childcare, but that's where most of the kids who are getting sick are getting sick. Though I would say that the problem is a virus that is very contagious amongst a population with lots of people who have no immunity. Even if there were no schools and no daycares people would share the virus in restaurants, stores, offices, etc.
Kirsten
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The most at-risk population (according to my PI) is kids ages 5-14. Kids have a lot less inhibitions about touching, hugging, sneezing on each other, etc... than adults do. So his point was that the factor C (number of contacts) is much higher among younger kids - and so the kids (who have no immunity like you said) are spreading it to the adults. So in that sense - school is pretty much the same thing as childcare.
Oh - and he also said he never leaves the house without Theraflu haha.
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And here I thought my public transit commute was likely the most contagious part of the day. Turns out it's hugging my children!
That kids are vectors is not at all unique to H1N1. There are still good reasons to send them to group situations (school or daycare).
So we should all homeschool? I think the number of lives saved from flu deaths would be replaced by homicide and suicide deaths.
hey - that's not a bad idea.
i'm just passing along the information here people. don't kill the messenger.
i personally think all the hype surrounding H1N1 is sort of like the hype surrounding global warming. It's not that it's not a problem - but it's really not something we need to get seriously freaked out about just yet...
Or cirrhosis of the liver from being driven to drink.
Sorry, homeschooling is not an answer. We are homeschooling and guess what, both my son and I got H1N1 and were miserable for a couple of weeks. And as far as homicide and suicide... no comment...
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The most at-risk population (according to my PI) is kids ages 5-14. Kids have a lot less inhibitions about touching, hugging, sneezing on each other, etc... than adults do. So his point was that the factor C (number of contacts) is much higher among younger kids - and so the kids (who have no immunity like you said) are spreading it to the adults. So in that sense - school is pretty much the same thing as childcare. Oh - and he also said he never leaves the house without Theraflu haha.
the idea that vaccination of school aged kids would substantially decrease seasonal flu across the population is pretty well accepted. Older folks don't respond to the vaccine as well as kids, and kids are the main vector for speading the virus through the population. Japan had years of mass vaccination of kids then stopped the program because of costs, so there was a nice natural experiment on a large population. During the years of school vaccination programs, flu morbidity and mortality in the elderly was substantially lower.
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