Forums >Running 101>Question about Marathons, the wall, and the pace that gets you there.
Dave
I'm confused. Does anybody think the OP is running AT or NEAR his LT pace? For 16 miles?
I ran a mile and I liked it, liked it, liked it. dgb2n@yahoo.com
Why is it sideways?
LT HR
Son, when you participate in sporting events, it's not whether you win or lose; it's how drunk you get. -- Homer Simpson
Ugh.
While many athletic-minded people think that lactate threshold coincides with about 90 per cent of maximal heart rate, the truth is that it varies tremendously from person to person, and of course it also varies according to your fitness level. If you're a real stud, your LTHR (lactate-threshold heart rate) might actually be at 95 per cent of MHR; if you're a beginner, it could be at 65 to 70 per cent. If you're neither, LTHR could be nearly anywhere, depending on your previous training, overall fitness, and individual characteristics. Even among people of similar ability levels, LTHR roams all over the map. For example, if we examined a group of runners, all of whom are able to finish the 10K in 40 minutes flat, some of those individuals would reach their LTHR at 80 per cent of MHR. Others would be at 85, some would arrive at LTHR at 90 per cent, and - of course - the rest would be somewhere in between (or perhaps even below 80).
My understanding of lactate threshold and heart rate tracks very close to the answer in this link: http://www.pponline.co.uk/encyc/0141.htm
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If I was in a group of runners, all of whom are able to finish the 10K in 40 minutes flat, then I wouldn't care what any of the rest of you think.
It's a 5k. It hurt like hell...then I tried to pick it up. The end.
On My Horse
Your log doesn't look like you are marathon training so it's not surprising you are under trained for distance. Most of your daily runs are split into morning and afternoon runs. 3 miles in the morning and 4 in the afternoon does not equal one 7 miler. 7:30 might feel easy for 4 miles but 16+ miles is a different animal (not gus either). I'd resist the the urge to test yourself with a near marathon distance run. It's just going to make whatever injury you are fighting worse. You have enough info and time to figure out a proper pace. This week I would try an 18-20 miler @ 7:45 - 8:00 pace and see how you feel. If you can't easily finish the last mile around 7:00 then it's still to fast. The last 2 long runs before the marathon should be something around 15 and 10 miles. If your knee is not getting better I would cut those last to long runs even shorter.
"What lies behind us and what lies before us are tiny matters compared to what lies with in us." - Ralph Waldo Emerson
Yeah, I agree with the answer given in that article. He says that not only is no such thing as LTHR, if there were it would be completely irrelevant to training.
Good Bad & The Monkey
What I've got is 1. Buy some GUs 2. Run slower. 3. Run more.
I'm running somewhere tomorrow. It's going to be beautiful. I can't wait.
Poor baby
That's not really what the article said. My read was that LTHR exists for every runner on every run, its just not really knowable what that number is because there are so many variables (fitness, weather, etc.). It is irrelevant to try and figure out a number and train to it though. I probably should have been more specific in my post. I have no idea what my LTHR is for any given run or race. But I generally know when I've reached it because I crash sometime thereafter. In general, if I'm able to sustain a pace without a gradual increase in my HR, I'm pretty safely under LTHR. If it keeps climbing, I'm generally headed for trouble.
I guess I'm just not that into quantities that exist but are not knowable. Must be the philosopher in me.
The shirtless wonder
. I hate to see myself running 8:00 pace or slower on the watch, I just feel like I can do better. I guess I kind of have to face the fact that for now, I can't.
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Prince of Fatness
I hate to see myself running 8:00 pace or slower on the watch, I just feel like I can do better.
Not at it at all.
I'm not recommending this for your race, just for training. When I'm racing I look at my watch every single mile.