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Heart Rate? (Read 567 times)


ultramarathon/triathlete

    Dunno where to post this exactly... I was at the gym a couple of days ago doing a fit test (I like to do one toward the start of each year to see how I progress over time) and among the things the trainer did was to calculate my target/max heart rate. Now, this was in the evening after work so I suspect my true resting heart rate would be a little lower (right out of bed is the best time to get it right?) . So the trainer kept trying to take it over and over again. Finally I asked if there was a problem, he said it was "oddly low." I said I do a lot of triathlons and marathons, etc... he looked at me with a blank face, and then it finally registered... anyway mine was 56, which I was happy with. Big grin What was confusing to me was that he said my target should be around 140-150 and my max should be around 170. This seemed low. When I'm on the treadmill I can alomst always guesstimate within +/- 3 points what it will be before checking it on my watch or on the machine just from experience and obsession. 140 is not really that tough. My own heart rate monitor has me in the high 180s a lot when I'm balls out running and I can maintain that for a while. So, two questions... should my target and max be higher than what he said? And also, what happens if I run above my "max?" Am I gonna explode? Shocked

    HTFU?  Why not!

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    Scout7


      Are you training by Heart Rate? If not, then it doesn't make a lick of difference what some mook at the gym (or the Internet) says about your HR. The target he got was from some stupid formula. Most likely 220-Age.


      ultramarathon/triathlete

        I'm not sure what he figured I'd do with the heart rate info (it was probably just on the list of things they told him he needed to provide), but personally, I just wanted to know it. But, the only reason I've not used it in training before was that I don't know it. I have a heart rate monitor and would like to make the most out of it, so to do that, seems I need to know the basics...

        HTFU?  Why not!

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        Scout7


          If you want to do HR training, you can either go to a lab and get your Lactate Threshold tested; or you can follow the protocol listed here. Yeah, I know, there are people who go by max HR. The difference there is you do a bunch of intervals or hill repeats and see how high your HR goes. Personally, if it ain't broke, I'm not fixing it. If RPE works well, why change to HR?


          #artbydmcbride

            I'm pretty sure if you push your heartrate to its max, you still won't asplode! Smile

             

            Runners run

              My own heart rate monitor has me in the high 180s a lot when I'm balls out running and I can maintain that for a while.
              then yes... your max is greater than 170. I know this because otherwise you would be dead now. Seriously, max is supposed to be just that. So it appears your max is more like 190-195. Unless he was using the term "max" wrong. If he had you working out at 85% of maximum then I assume he was having you do tempo work.

               

               

               

               

                I must be an odd fella because at 85% of my max im nearly walking... or at least a slow jog. I am reading a book right now thats all about HR training and none of it seems to be accurate with what im experiencing during a run. Because we are all so different, I think RPE is the most accurate thing to go by.
                http://ericstarrtraining.blogspot.com/


                Why is it sideways?

                  I must be an odd fella because at 85% of my max im nearly walking... or at least a slow jog. I am reading a book right now thats all about HR training and none of it seems to be accurate with what im experiencing during a run. Because we are all so different, I think RPE is the most accurate thing to go by.
                  I just looked at your PR's, and they show a clear pattern of aerobic underdevelopment. Don't know if you're interested in getting faster, but if you bump your mileage (which would probably mean slowing down quite a bit), you could take serious time off your PR's. Your 5k PR indicates that you oughta be able to run at least an hour and a half faster for the marathon. Also: did you really hit a heart rate of 201 on an easy 4 mile training run? Holy schnikes.
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                  I've got a fever...

                    If you're calculating your max HR by 220-age, you're doing it wrong. You can only find your max by maxing it out. Blasting hill repeats is one way. Another one that I've read about is to run 800m all-out, rest 5 min, then run 800m all-out again. By the end of that 2nd 800, you will definitely max out and possibly see God. Thank you Scout for posting the zone link. You saved me the trouble of looking for it. (Along with hills and drills, it's one of your staples.) If you know your real max, you can also do your heartrate zones as per Daniels. All numbers are %MaxHR 65~80%: Easy running 80~90% Marathon Pace running (the better conditioned you are, the higher the heart rate you can race a marathon at). 88~92% Threshold zone (i.e. per Daniels, a traditional 20-minute tempo run is done in this zone.) 92~95% Interval zone Also, be sure to read this if you're gonna do heart rate training PITFALLS TO AVOID IN USING A HEART-RATE MONITOR

                    On your deathbed, you won't wish that you'd spent more time at the office.  But you will wish that you'd spent more time running.  Because if you had, you wouldn't be on your deathbed.

                      Jeff, Yeah, I hit 201 during my last quarter mile at a 6:30 pace, which is definatly not my easy pace. But the rest of the run was easy. Ive had an EKG and is showed I have an "early palpitation" what ever that means. From what I take from it is my HR shoots up fast and stays there until I walk and shoots back down. Its almost like there is no in between.
                      http://ericstarrtraining.blogspot.com/
                        1. Your trainer's an idiot. 56 isn't "oddly low" for anyone who does marathons & triathlons. 2. the old "220 - age" for your max HR is just silly. My max is about 200 (I'm 46). If I used that formula, just as you said, my so-called proper training pace would be a walk at the mall and my "max" HR would be 174....I just ran 10 miles @ 176 yesterday! Roll eyes