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Ibuprofen, bah (Read 838 times)


monkey groovy

posted: 2/4/2008 at 11:19 PM
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Hmmm.

Pain

or Dialysis. Forever.

I'll take pain.

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Blood flows into your kidneys in arteries. The arteries branch smaller and smaller until they are tiny little arterioles. These deliver blood to the microscopic unit in the kidney responsible for making urine, called the glomerulus. Those arterioles delivering blood to the glomerulus are called afferent arterioles. Those collecting the blood out the other side are called efferent arterioles. There are several hormonal mechanisms for making sure that the pressure head on the blood is sufficient so that you make appropriate urine even when you are dehydrated.

Ibuprofen and other NSAIDs mess with the hormonal control over the arterioles and essentially causes the blood to stop flowing to the glomerulus. This can cause a sharp decrease in urine and in oxygen delivery to the kidneys. The latter can kill off kidney cells in great number.

The effect of NSAIDS is mitigated by adequate hydration. If you are dehydrated, the protection is gone and the effect of the NSAIDS on the hormonal control over your afferent arterioles is gone. You can cause substantial and permanent kidney damage. Bad.

When glomerular filtration is limited, your body may try several mechanisms to fix the problem using other hormonal systems. This combined with reduced renal function can cause a dangerous increase in potassium and a drop in your sodium. Also bad.

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You never know the day that your ibuprofen or other NSAID you take while running will cause renal failure, and it is not wholly dependent on hydration.

The pain of marathoning and training can be expected. Why do you feel the need to stop that pain? Because you don't like it? Marathoning is supposed to hurt. I'm not talking about the pathologic pain of injury; if you have that, address the injury (rather than hiding it under some drug). I see way too many people in my practice and in the world who want to run but don't want to hurt while running. Sadly, it does not always work that way. Don't risk your health to hide the pain. Learn to accept it, to feel it flow through you, to guide you and teach you. Pain is not your enemy.

Jeff, a 2:35 marathoner and professional philosopher (really) once wrote this: "For me, racing is not about overcoming pain. It's about as running fast as I can. The pain is just the way the body speaks to you, a side phenomenon. It's silly to try to overcome it or attack it. We talk about the "pain" of running as if it were a single phenomenon. Actually, in running as in life there are many different sorts of pains, and one can learn to distinguish these pains in order to respond to them differently. It is very rare that generating the sensation of "pushing through it" is the appropriate response to pain. My sense is that generating that feeling is just layering one type of pain on another."

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The standard nonprescription dose of motrin/ibuprofen/advil is 400 mg every 6 hours. Not 600 mg. Not 800. And certainly not 1000 mg. Sure, your doc may prescribe doses higher than 400 mg, but you are NOT your doctor (nor should you be, even if you are a doctor). The higher the dose, the greater the risk of injury to your kidneys, to your electrolytes and to your GI tract.

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peace, love and hills

I'm running somewhere tomorrow. It's going to be beautiful. I can't wait.
posted: 2/4/2008 at 11:21 PM
Thats what I was trying to tell Casa yesterday on our run. He says he takes ibuprofen DURING marathons. Roll eyes


Tantrum @ Velo-City

posted: 2/4/2008 at 11:22 PM
After your recommendations I have avoided taking ibuprofen within 6 hours of any run. And I rarely need it nowadays, anyhow. I'd rather have beer.
Kirsten
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'08: 1561 mi
'09: 1810.9 mi

'10 Goals:

• 2000k (1243mi.) running
• 2500 miles biking
✔ 1st sprint duathlon (5k run, 30k bike, 5k run) - including 5k PR!
✔ 25k PR
✔ 1st century ride
✔ regular strength-training
• 135#s by Vegas
posted: 2/4/2008 at 11:27 PM
My chiro gave me the low down on ibuprofen years ago and yet, I'm always amazed when I get samples in a race packet. Confused

but I still take it on occassion. Blush
Jennifer
mm#1231
posted: 2/4/2008 at 11:28 PM
"Pain don't hurt."

~ James Dalton




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posted: 2/4/2008 at 11:32 PM
Someone get House in here...
posted: 2/4/2008 at 11:38 PM
Quote from Candice C. on 2/4/2008 at 11:32 PM:
Someone get House in here...


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posted: 2/4/2008 at 11:43 PM
For real?


S&M Collector

posted: 2/4/2008 at 11:44 PM
OK. I opened the door and am here. I take a lot of ibuprofen. Probabably 2 to 4 tablets a day. As I told banana girl during our run, I popped 3 of them like it was happy hour at mile 21 of Callaway Garden. I had no idea of their potential effects.

So, my question is............should i avoid taking them all together, or just during the marathon?

For real.
Come across any cool medals lately?


monkey groovy

posted: 2/4/2008 at 11:45 PM
HTFU dude.

Best not to take them at all. Why do you take them? 2-4 per day is likely safe tho.
peace, love and hills

I'm running somewhere tomorrow. It's going to be beautiful. I can't wait.
posted: 2/4/2008 at 11:46 PM
All together. HTFU and embrace the pain that is running!! Evil grin


S&M Collector

posted: 2/4/2008 at 11:46 PM
Quote from Trent on 2/4/2008 at 11:45 PM:
HTFU dude.

Why do you take them?


Give 'em to me.

You know why one takes ibuprofen. Sheesh Doc.

Come across any cool medals lately?
posted: 2/4/2008 at 11:48 PM
Quote from Casa on 2/4/2008 at 11:46 PM:
Give 'em to me.

You know why one takes ibuprofen. Sheesh Doc.


Aww... it takes them because it huwwwts. WAH WAH WAH... Cry


S&M Collector

posted: 2/4/2008 at 11:51 PM
To answer your question, Trent, I take them because I have some aches and pains. I guess I don't take 2-4 everyday of the year. Just when I have an ache or pain. With current calf condition, I've been taking them. And, I haven't taken them during every marathon....just a couple.

If I just avoid taking them during or in the hours near the time that I'm running (whether it be training or a race, will I be safe?
Come across any cool medals lately?


monkey groovy

posted: 2/4/2008 at 11:52 PM
24 hours before the race, 6-12 hours after should be NSAID free.
peace, love and hills

I'm running somewhere tomorrow. It's going to be beautiful. I can't wait.