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The latest craze, the ice bucket challenge (Read 98 times)

RSX


     

    +1.

     

    Everyone has their own opinions about charities and donation and I really don't have any heartburn wit that.  How you choose to donate, whether publicly, or privately, is your personal right and privilege.

     

    As for the 'ice bucket challenge"...let's face it, this was mainly a 'marketing ploy" to get people talking about a very serious issue - and to hopefully persuade more people to donate - and it sure has worked brilliantly from that standpoint.   Donations went from a relatively few million from a few years ago to recently topping over around $65M already this year.   My personal view about people doing the ice bucket thing - which you can agree with or not, which is also your privilege, and I may not agree with your view either, but I respect your right to have it  -  the majority of people doing the 'ice bucket" thing  don't have the "it's all about me attitude";  they are simply doing a pretty silly thing in public that is, as said, "great marketing" that brings awareness to a cause.    If doing something silly in public - like this ice bucket thing, or sitting on a dunking booth board, or getting pies thrown in the face, or whatever - helps a cause that I really care about and maybe even persuades a few more people to donate to it, then hell, yes, I'd do it - and have done it in the past.  I really don't think there is any "right way" or 'wrong way" to donate..it's a matter of individual conscience and personal choice and the bottom line is what matters is that people are getting their needed support.

     

    Well said. My wife volunteered to be a dunk tank victim for her school. It wasn't videotaped for FB but she helped raise $ for them, and had fun. People bought tickets to do it or didn't. I think the IBC is similar in that regard.

    LRB


      For me, this falls under the people can do whatever the hell they want category.  I mean seriously, once you start judging a persons intentions (a person you do not know mind you) where does it end?

       

      But for shits and giggles let's just say people are donating their time and or their money to a charitable cause for selfish reasons (which is a contradiction in and of itself but stay with me) who cares?  It's their time and their money to do whatever they want to do with it.

       

      The thing I think about is how all the other hundreds of charities must be scrambling to try to find something as good as this, I mean ALS is raking in the fuckin dough!

       

      The bombardment of ice bucket challenges is in full effect and is the next big thing.  It is the new Weakest Link, Who Wants to be a Millionaire, American Idol, or Survivor of fund raising.  It is what reality TV was a few years ago; a game changer.

       

      And hopefully, all of the other worthy charities will figure out a way to cash in on its popularity.

      happylily


        For me, this falls under the people can do whatever the hell they want category.  I mean seriously, once you start judging a persons intentions (a person you do not know mind you) where does it end?

         

        But for shits and giggles let's just say people are donating their time and or their money to a charitable cause for selfish reasons (which is a contradiction in and of itself but stay with me) who cares?  It's their time and their money to do whatever they want to do with it.

         

        The thing I think about is how all the other hundreds of charities must be scrambling to try to find something as good as this, I mean ALS is raking in the fuckin dough!

         

        The bombardment of ice bucket challenges is in full effect and is the next big thing.  It is the new Weakest Link, Who Wants to be a Millionaire, American Idol, or Survivor of fund raising.  It is what reality TV was a few years ago; a game changer.

         

        And hopefully, all of the other worthy charities will figure out a way to cash in on its popularity.

         

        The thing is, people won't make more donations than before. They will simply give to the hip charity of the day. Once another charity figures out a more fun gimmick, ALS will be forgotten. Having different fun ideas does not mean that people are giving more. The charities are just competing against each others. But I agree with you, and Scotty, that people are free to do what they want and it's good that money is collected for such a terrible disease as ALS.

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        Docket_Rocket


        Former Bad Ass

          For me, this falls under the people can do whatever the hell they want category.  I mean seriously, once you start judging a persons intentions (a person you do not know mind you) where does it end?

           

          But for shits and giggles let's just say people are donating their time and or their money to a charitable cause for selfish reasons (which is a contradiction in and of itself but stay with me) who cares?  It's their time and their money to do whatever they want to do with it.

           

          The thing I think about is how all the other hundreds of charities must be scrambling to try to find something as good as this, I mean ALS is raking in the fuckin dough!

           

          The bombardment of ice bucket challenges is in full effect and is the next big thing.  It is the new Weakest Link, Who Wants to be a Millionaire, American Idol, or Survivor of fund raising.  It is what reality TV was a few years ago; a game changer.

           

          And hopefully, all of the other worthy charities will figure out a way to cash in on its popularity.

           

          Well said.  And whoever created this, should be a CMO (Chief Marketing Office).  Someone please give him the job!

          Damaris

          Docket_Rocket


          Former Bad Ass

             

            The thing is, people won't make more donations than before. They will simply give to the hip charity of the day. Once another charity figures out a more fun gimmick, ALS will be forgotten. Having different fun ideas does not mean that people are giving more. The charities are just competing against each others. But I agree with you, and Scotty, that people are free to do what they want and it's good that money is collected for such a terrible disease as ALS.

             

            True, but I think most of the people that took the challenge said they donated 50% more than they had done in prior years and planned on donating.  At least that's what the article I read said.  So, apart from their charities, they are contributing extra money to the ALS.  Yes, the ALS will be forgotten soon but for now, it's benefiting greatly from this thing that has spread like wildfire.

            Damaris

            happylily


              Actually being humans, who are on average the cruelest species on the planet, yes it is done mainly for fun. There is no point to test on monkeys, mice, dogs, cats ,etc - cutting them open, dissecting them alive, poisoning them to see what happens, sticking things in their heads and what not..... for medication or cures for people - there are plenty of killers, rapists and child abusers out there who can be tested on.

              Then again I am an avid animal lover so I don't agree with animal testing, no matter the "reason".

               

              I think that some Germans in the 40ies also believed that it was ok to do such tests on their prisoners. Hey, why not use the unwanted of our societies, right? After all, it's cheaper than keeping them in prison or mental institutions...

              PRs: Boston Marathon, 3:27, April 15th 2013

                      Cornwall Half-Marathon, 1:35, April 27th 2013

              18 marathons, 18 BQs since 2010

              RSX


                 

                I think that some Germans in the 40ies also believed that it was ok to do such tests on their prisoners. Hey, why not use the unwanted of our societies, right? After all, it's cheaper than keeping them in prison or mental institutions...

                Did I stumble into a RW slightly off track forum post again?

                 

                As far as will my donating to ALS hurt another charity I think only if we budget down to the $. At work I donate $10 or whatever to x charity/school, but it doesn't mean that I had that $ earmarked for another group. If they didn't hit me up chances are I wouldn't have donated to anyone.

                FreeSoul87


                Runs4Sanity

                   

                  I think that some Germans in the 40ies also believed that it was ok to do such tests on their prisoners. Hey, why not use the unwanted of our societies, right? After all, it's cheaper than keeping them in prison or mental institutions...

                   

                  When it comes to choosing between torturing innocent animals or torturing criminals who sit all comfy cozy in a cell.......... you damn right I'd choose the criminals. I'm sorry, but those animals do not deserve the suffering they go through - all in the name of "science".

                  But again, I am an animal lover.

                  *Do It For Yourself, Do It Because They Said It Was Impossible, Do It Because They Said You Were Incapable*

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                  5k - 24:15 (7:49 min/mile pace) 

                  10k - 51:47 (8:16 min/mile pace)

                  15k -1:18:09 (8:24 min/mile pace)

                  13.1 - 1:53:12 (8:39 min/mile pace)

                   26:2 - 4:14:55 (9:44 min/mile)

                  happylily


                     

                    When it comes to choosing between torturing innocent animals or torturing criminals who sit all comfy cozy in a cell.......... you damn right I'd choose the criminals. I'm sorry, but those animals do not deserve the suffering they go through - all in the name of "science".

                    But again, I am an animal lover.

                     

                    Andrea, what some societies view as criminals are not criminals in our society. Think of homosexuals in many countries in the world. What if those countries decided to test on them because they view them as less important than animals? It's a slippery slope. Psychopaths and other dangerous individuals have mental illnesses, let's not forget that.

                     

                    Mike, sorry for holding a discussion here. I'll shut up.

                    PRs: Boston Marathon, 3:27, April 15th 2013

                            Cornwall Half-Marathon, 1:35, April 27th 2013

                    18 marathons, 18 BQs since 2010

                    FreeSoul87


                    Runs4Sanity

                       

                      Andrea, what some societies view as criminals are not criminals in our society. Think of homosexuals in many countries in the world. What if those countries decided to test on them because they view them as less important than animals? It's a slippery slope. Psychopaths and other dangerous individuals have mental illnesses, let's not forget that.

                       

                      Mike, sorry for holding a discussion here. I'll shut up.

                       

                      I won't bring this up again, but Psychopaths and other dangerous individuals are nothing like homosexuals or jews, they find pleasure in other's pain, they kill and torture others and I feel that if there was a choice between torturing either those POS or innocent animals who did ABSOLUTELY nothing wrong or to deserve that kind of pain, I would choose the serial killers, rapists and child abusers - mental illness or not I don't give a shit, you harm another whether it be human or animal and find pleasure in it, you deserve to suffer.

                       

                      These people aren't mentally ill, they are monsters, evil, cruel monsters.

                      • Charles Manson, 
                      • David Berkowitz
                      • Edmund Kemper
                      • Lawrence Bittaker and Roy Norris
                      • Ian Brady and Myra Hindley

                      • Kenneth Bianchi and Angelo Buono (The Hillside Stranglers)

                      • Dennis Rader (the BTK Killer)

                      • Donald Henry Gaskins

                      • Peter Manuel

                      • John George Haigh

                      • Fred & Rose West

                      • Arthur Shawcross

                      • Richard Ramirez

                         

                      Just to name a few, and now I am done with this crap.

                      *Do It For Yourself, Do It Because They Said It Was Impossible, Do It Because They Said You Were Incapable*

                      PRs

                      5k - 24:15 (7:49 min/mile pace) 

                      10k - 51:47 (8:16 min/mile pace)

                      15k -1:18:09 (8:24 min/mile pace)

                      13.1 - 1:53:12 (8:39 min/mile pace)

                       26:2 - 4:14:55 (9:44 min/mile)

                      Docket_Rocket


                      Former Bad Ass

                        The problem with opening those floodgates is that later, our society (or a different one) might consider someone else as dangerous, be that homosexuals, women, Jews, etc. So, it is hard to give permission to a government to do something because it can be easily expanded.

                        Damaris

                        Cyberic


                          Maybe there should be a thread dedicated to ranting about society in general.

                          FreeSoul87


                          Runs4Sanity

                            The problem with opening those floodgates is that later, our society (or a different one) might consider someone else as dangerous, be that homosexuals, women, Jews, etc. So, it is hard to give permission to a government to do something because it can be easily expanded.

                             

                            Now that I do agree with, the government would definitely go overboard, give 'em an inch they'll steal 100 miles.

                            *Do It For Yourself, Do It Because They Said It Was Impossible, Do It Because They Said You Were Incapable*

                            PRs

                            5k - 24:15 (7:49 min/mile pace) 

                            10k - 51:47 (8:16 min/mile pace)

                            15k -1:18:09 (8:24 min/mile pace)

                            13.1 - 1:53:12 (8:39 min/mile pace)

                             26:2 - 4:14:55 (9:44 min/mile)

                            FreeSoul87


                            Runs4Sanity

                              Maybe there should be a thread dedicated to ranting about society in general.

                               

                              You do NOT want that flood gate opened lol 

                              *Do It For Yourself, Do It Because They Said It Was Impossible, Do It Because They Said You Were Incapable*

                              PRs

                              5k - 24:15 (7:49 min/mile pace) 

                              10k - 51:47 (8:16 min/mile pace)

                              15k -1:18:09 (8:24 min/mile pace)

                              13.1 - 1:53:12 (8:39 min/mile pace)

                               26:2 - 4:14:55 (9:44 min/mile)


                              Village people

                                 

                                The thing is, people won't make more donations than before. They will simply give to the hip charity of the day. Once another charity figures out a more fun gimmick, ALS will be forgotten. Having different fun ideas does not mean that people are giving more. The charities are just competing against each others. But I agree with you, and Scotty, that people are free to do what they want and it's good that money is collected for such a terrible disease as ALS.

                                 

                                Can we do this regularly and have a new hip charity every couple of months?

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