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Back at it TuesDailies (Read 19 times)

Fredford66


Waltons ThreadLord

    Track work this morning.  4 sets of 200m/200m, 200/400, 400/200 with the hard running done at something faster than 5k pace.  38º made it easier to get the work done.

    5k 23:48.45 (3/22); 4M 31:26 (2/22); 5M 38:55 (11/23); 10k 49:24 (10/22); 
    10M 1:29:33 (2/24); Half 1:48:32 (10/22); Marathon 4:29:58 (11/23)

    Upcoming races: Running is Back 10k, 5/12; Greta's Run 5k, 5/19

     

    Half Crazy K 2.0


      6 miles with 8x2 min + 4x200.

      sdWhiskers


        4 miles. I keep thinking about adding workouts back in but then don't 

        DavePNW


          6 tapery miles.

          Dave

          Fredford66


          Waltons ThreadLord

            4 miles. I keep thinking about adding workouts back in but then don't 

             

            I stopped doing workouts for about three months and I found I lost some top-end speed as well losing some ability to maintain pace on hills.  It could be I got old suddenly, or it could be the lack of workouts (or a combination of both).  When I was prepping for the NYC marathon, I reviewed several pace estimators and one included data from a study that showed people who ran intervals during training were about 10 seconds/mile faster in a marathon, though it's hard to filter out all noise or set a control group.

             

            It has not been easy for me to get back to workouts and after only two weeks I'm far from ready to say I'm back in the habit.

            5k 23:48.45 (3/22); 4M 31:26 (2/22); 5M 38:55 (11/23); 10k 49:24 (10/22); 
            10M 1:29:33 (2/24); Half 1:48:32 (10/22); Marathon 4:29:58 (11/23)

            Upcoming races: Running is Back 10k, 5/12; Greta's Run 5k, 5/19

             

            DavePNW


              Even when not training for anything, unless I'm purely in recovery mode, I like to throw in some kind of workout every week. I figure it's good for you, but mainly it helps break up the monotony of every-day easy runs. And the track is fun. 

              Dave

              Half Crazy K 2.0


                I find I need to do workouts or top end pace gets slow. Based on heart rate, I really should have been able to run a faster 5k than what I did. I had gotten into survive the HM mode,  so faster running took a back seat.

                wcrunner2


                Are we there, yet?

                  I find I need to do workouts or top end pace gets slow. Based on heart rate, I really should have been able to run a faster 5k than what I did. I had gotten into survive the HM mode,  so faster running took a back seat.

                   

                  Speed seems to be quickly lost if not maintained, but also quickly regained after a few weeks of quick workouts. Even running ultras, I include a good interval or fartlek workout about once every 10 days.

                   2024 Races:

                        03/09 - Livingston Oval Ultra 6-Hour, 22.88 miles

                        05/11 - D3 50K
                        05/25 - What the Duck 12-Hour

                        06/17 - 6 Days in the Dome 12-Hour.

                   

                   

                       

                  sdWhiskers


                     

                    Speed seems to be quickly lost if not maintained, but also quickly regained after a few weeks of quick workouts. Even running ultras, I include a good interval or fartlek workout about once every 10 days.

                     

                    This seems to be a common observation...except never for me. It's why I somewhat assume I'm an "exercise non-responder".

                    sdWhiskers


                      Even when not training for anything, unless I'm purely in recovery mode, I like to throw in some kind of workout every week. I figure it's good for you, but mainly it helps break up the monotony of every-day easy runs. And the track is fun. 

                       

                      If I had a track to use, maybe it would be more interesting. But I don't!

                       

                      Every time I've added in a workout in the past...probably year?...it's just been demoralizing. I do this for fun!

                      sdWhiskers


                         

                        I stopped doing workouts for about three months and I found I lost some top-end speed as well losing some ability to maintain pace on hills.  It could be I got old suddenly, or it could be the lack of workouts (or a combination of both).  When I was prepping for the NYC marathon, I reviewed several pace estimators and one included data from a study that showed people who ran intervals during training were about 10 seconds/mile faster in a marathon, though it's hard to filter out all noise or set a control group.

                         

                         

                        That's it?!

                        Fredford66


                        Waltons ThreadLord

                           

                          That's it?!

                           

                          Well, that's close to 5 minutes faster for the race, and it's an average.

                          5k 23:48.45 (3/22); 4M 31:26 (2/22); 5M 38:55 (11/23); 10k 49:24 (10/22); 
                          10M 1:29:33 (2/24); Half 1:48:32 (10/22); Marathon 4:29:58 (11/23)

                          Upcoming races: Running is Back 10k, 5/12; Greta's Run 5k, 5/19

                           

                          Fredford66


                          Waltons ThreadLord

                            I find I need to do workouts or top end pace gets slow. Based on heart rate, I really should have been able to run a faster 5k than what I did. I had gotten into survive the HM mode,  so faster running took a back seat.

                             

                            Yes, I've been there too.

                            5k 23:48.45 (3/22); 4M 31:26 (2/22); 5M 38:55 (11/23); 10k 49:24 (10/22); 
                            10M 1:29:33 (2/24); Half 1:48:32 (10/22); Marathon 4:29:58 (11/23)

                            Upcoming races: Running is Back 10k, 5/12; Greta's Run 5k, 5/19

                             

                            Fredford66


                            Waltons ThreadLord

                               

                              Speed seems to be quickly lost if not maintained, but also quickly regained after a few weeks of quick workouts. Even running ultras, I include a good interval or fartlek workout about once every 10 days.

                               

                              That's encouraging if it applies to me.

                              5k 23:48.45 (3/22); 4M 31:26 (2/22); 5M 38:55 (11/23); 10k 49:24 (10/22); 
                              10M 1:29:33 (2/24); Half 1:48:32 (10/22); Marathon 4:29:58 (11/23)

                              Upcoming races: Running is Back 10k, 5/12; Greta's Run 5k, 5/19

                               

                              Half Crazy K 2.0


                                 

                                This seems to be a common observation...except never for me. It's why I somewhat assume I'm an "exercise non-responder".

                                Yea. I remember debating folks on RWOL that it is not a 100% guarantee that if you run more, you will get faster.  I have proof. I also mentioned that just because person A and B got great results from Hudson's HM plans does not mean everyone will. I was told I must be running my easy runs too fast and not running enough. I can say with certainty, my easy runs are not too fast and if anything, may be too slow.

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