Morning Gang Thanks for starting us Peter, sounds like it's doing the opposite of here. Another nice Autumn morning, sun shining and about 20c Thought about doing another 8 hilly trail run but as it was so nice thought I would do 10 ended up with a nice 11 and Woody kept up the whole way. In fact quite often he was out in front The ascent was 687' and at the top it was undulating so the total ascent would be a lot more. Anyway: 11m 01:58:22 @ 10:45 pace AHR 153 72% Good runs All Roy

Got mine out of the way early, too...10.3 @ 8.45/mile, 139/166. Time to go get the girls.....

Good runs, all. Taper continues with 3 easy miles in a light drizzle. It was surprisingly warm at 67°F, and 96% humidity so the run had a higher perceived effort than I expected. 3.2 miles, 27:30, 8:42/mi, AHR 146

About 7 miles today, including a local 5K on a mostly flat course I haven't done before. Garmin time was 22:05, not a PR or anything but good for me on a humid day. HR shows I was working quite a bit: AHR 165, Max 173. ETA: I finally had a chance to go back and find DH’s post that offended. As much as I hate to defend DH for any reason, it sounded to me like he was saying: 1) the guy was a racist, 2) this racism was pervasive. This incident clearly left an impression on him and it seems to be what he associates with his only visit to Columbia, South Carolina, which was the reason for the post. Karin’s objection seemed to be that this distasteful story was relayed in the daily thread at all. I can certainly understand that, too. It was just told and then left hanging and, in my opinion, DH’s later responses were overly defensive and not helpful. It reminded me of when I used to teach material on racism. I began by going around the room and having students say every racial epithet they could think of and we wrote them on the board. On one level, it was shocking and provocative and uncomfortable. On another level, it was nothing students didn't already know. Then we discussed: Why do we all know these terrible terms? Where do they come from? What does this say about the continued existence of individual racial prejudice in society? Etc. etc. We then moved on to discuss institutional racism and the links between individual thinking and institutional behavior, etc. I developed this approach after seeing that many white students wanted to treat racism as if it was only an historical artifact: “There was racism, Martin Luther King came along, problem solved. I don't know what people today are whining about.” Recognizing and naming racist terms was a useful way to make the point that racism lives, evolves, and is recreated by each generation through socialization. I relate this story because, in a way, DH’s post was the provocation without the analysis. Everyone else chiming in helped put it in perspective and made each of us think about how we relate to such incidents. I learned by reading those posts, I hope others did too, and, in the end, I think that’s a good thing.

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After searching the internet all I can say is it could be a stress fracture forming in my 5th metatarsal, or one of the tendons there is inflamed.

That's very possible...same thing happened to me last year, although it was the result of hard running during softball...went to podiatrist & he got me these special insoles...the insoles & the sponges did the trick. Maine:

Oh well still a nice run and loads better than running on a treadmill in my opinion.

Absolutely...I've only been on a treadmill twice...and both times I fell off. Roy: Man, you're getting good! Tramps: 22:05? That's quite a bit faster than your last 5K...I think it was 23+? Yesterday, managed to get in 4.2 miles late in the day...and between rain storms...as Carolyn suggested, didn't take my watch. But I tried to keep time in my head...I think I covered the 4.2 miles in about 19 minutes...about 4 1/2 minutes/mile...prettygood, huh? I'll probably do about 4 miles this afternoon..anyway, the golf course is probably flooded. DickyG

Good Saturday morning everyone. An 8 mile run at a 9:31 pace and a trip to farmer's market for some acorn squash, green beans and brussel sprouts (okay, an acquired taste). Debated about buying some corn stalks and pumpkins to decorate the yard, but I think I'll let the neighborhood kids get their pumpkin throwing jollies from someone else on the street first. Some great runs this morning. Holly - hope you're sitting on some ice right now! Good to hear from Peter, Roy, Lou, Dave and Mainerunnah. The rain that everyone on the east coast is experiencing would be much appreciated here - haven't had a drop in weeks. Tramps - good run this morning - watch that heart rate. Got a box in the mail yesterday with DS2's civilian clothes, cell phone, etc. No note or return address. It'll be a week tomorrow since he left. DH and I are truly empty nesters now and I think it'll take me a while to adjust to that. It will be interesting to hear the kiddo's take on boot camp. I rented the movie "Run Fat Boy Run" to watch tonight. Anyone hear about it or see it? It's supposed to be about some overweight guy that starts training to run a marthon to impress a girl. I'll give a "review" tomorrow. Enjoy your day, everyone. Jeanne

I finally had a chance to go back and find DH’s post that offended. As much as I hate to defend DH for any reason, it sounded to me like he was saying: 1) the guy was a racist, 2) this racism was pervasive. This incident clearly left an impression on him and it seems to be what he associates with his only visit to Columbia, South Carolina, which was the reason for the post.

Thank you, Tramps. I see someone here has good reading comprehension. You are a smart guy, and believe it or not, I was hoping you would come through for me. I take your other points, including the point that I did not follow up this anecdote with analysis. It never occurred to me that analysis was necessary, especially when I had already used the word "racist" to describe the attitudes I met there. I believe all of us here are on the same page, when it comes to regretting the racism of the past, and hoping the future will be better. This doesn't mean we should pretend it never happened, and shoot the messenger who reminds us. After I painted a picture of another time and place, someone took offense. I thought, "Gee, that's inappropriate. Doesn't she understand that this was someone else's attitude 25 years ago, not mine today?" Then a lot of other people dumped a load of crap on me, and frankly, that is not the way to get me to do anything. Dark Horse