Wow 92 I don't blaim you. It was 70 and humid here. I ran with water on a hilly route tonight. Ran at a slow pace though to allow for the hills and extra weight. Slow and steady gets the job done. I'm looking forward to the weekend as I am going for a non stop 5k hopefully on a flat course. Taking a rest day tomorow. Your're right in not making up the distance tomorrow - just consider today a rest day. Especially if you are having a pain in your knee. Any idea what is causing it. Previous injury? Knees are tricky, pain can result from you quads your calves or your hamstrings being tight. They all connect up to your knees. I believe the main connection is the iliotibial band (not sure about the spelling) It can play havic with your knees. That's why stretching is so important.

Years ago a buddy of mine, a smoker, was determined to quit. He said his biggest motivator to keep at it was the fact that he announced it to the world. To this day I believe he was successful. Similarly, here is my official announcement. I have been prepping (foolishly at that) for a half marathon on September 3rd. (I may have already hinted at it in previous posts, I can't rembember.) Anyway, there is a user group for a couple of us preparing for half marathons this fall and I've been posting on there for the same reason as my buddy announced his efforts to quit smoking. So if you want to visit us over there at Half Marathon Trainers (Geneseo Half Marathon) and then bop back here to criticize or recommend, feel free. I have always been an over-enthusiastic runner and have many times gotten myself injured. I admit this run to be a bit of foolishness having been walking the past two years, but this will support our college's track team and some co-workers will be jogging it (some or most of it actually) and I thought I would try the distance with only just enough time to get my long runs within reach of the 13.1 distance. So pay me a visit over there and if you seem me getting into trouble, say so. Yes, Forrest. Some of the runs lately are now under 9:00. It is a combination of fitness and the absolutely wonderful weather we've been having here lately. They are calling for Starflight's hot weather to move over us this weekend so I'm sure my long run tomorrow will be quite slower---which it's suppose to be anyway. John Half Marathon Trainers

Hope you are icing it down after your runs.

Don"t get me wrong - I think they are probably the best alternative and you get a great cardio workout. I use them too when the weather is unbearable. Fortumately we only get about two weeks of this extremely hot and humid weather. Its the snow storms that sometimes ground us up here. I'm sure John knows what I am talking about as Buffalo usually gets it worse than us being on the south side of the lakes.

Hey, Joe. That's great that your daughter is taking an interest! Of my 3 boys I have 1 and a half runners. Tim is running my distance runs with me on Saturdays as I get ready for the half marathon in September. Mike will go out for a jog a couple of times a week and really dislikes it I think. It serves only to keep him in shape for school sports. Chris, my oldest is a research scientist in DC and sits in front of a computer screen and goes to meetings all day. Puts in long hours and will run only when he's chased. John

Hope you are icing it down after your runs.

Actually no I have not been doing so. Ran yesteday and today and feel great. My knees feel much better after runs. My legs get sore durning the run behind and just above and below the knee. The knee its self has no pain or sorness

Starflight, Check this page out It describes different types and locations of pain, and some suggestions as to what to do about it. It is very informative, perhaps it will help. http://www.coolrunning.com/engine/2/2_5/index.shtml Joe

Thanks Joe! I used to jog and walk to my start point and oflate I have been just walking. I think my legs would like me to go back to the jog walk warmup. I printed out the streching pages. That will help too.