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Is 3:30 unrealistic for the first time marathon runner? (Read 1804 times)

    I haven't used my Garmin HR monitor in quite a while -- I trained with a HR monitor my first year, but then I was using a Nike Triax Elite watch, not a Garmin. But I believe it's pretty accurate. Anyway it has nothing to do with GPS signals, just a matter of good contact with your chest. Generally if it is off because of bad contact, it is way off, and you will know.

     

    +1.  On my easy run before work this morning, the monitor spiked to over 200, a number I would expect to see at, perhaps, the end of a race-effort 5K.  My compression shirt had gotten half-stuck underneath the monitor from sliding down.  I didn't notice sooner in my delirious, half-awake state that it takes 2-3 miles to snap me out of.  If I was running THAT HARD, though, I would have noticed. 

     

    Aside from madness like that (it can also freak out when it's too dry, for example), the monitor seems pretty accurate--always exceptionally close or spot-on to my old-fashioned counting of my pulse.

    "When a person trains once, nothing happens. When a person forces himself to do a thing a hundred or a thousand times, then he certainly has developed in more ways than physical. Is it raining? That doesn't matter. Am I tired? That doesn't matter, either. Then willpower will be no problem." 
    Emil Zatopek

      I signed up for the 3x7K relay this Sunday. I have switched my plan to the Pfitz 55/24 plan last week.

       

      My question is if I can carry on the Tuesday (8 Mi w/ 10x100m) and Thursday (9 miles) run and take Saturday off for the Sunday race, or I shall reduce my run this week.

       

      What's the strategy for the 7K run?

      5k - 20:56 (09/12), 7k - 28:40 (11/12), 10k trial - 43:08  (03/13), 42:05 (05/13), FM - 3:09:28 (05/13), HM - 1:28:20 (05/14), Failed 10K trial - 6:10/mi for 4mi (08/14), FM - 3:03 (09/14)


      day after day sameness

        My question is if I can carry on the Tuesday (8 Mi w/ 10x100m) and Thursday (9 miles) run and take Saturday off for the Sunday race, or I shall reduce my run this week.

         

        What's the strategy for the 7K run?

         

        Unless the 7K race this weekend is a goal event where you want to get all you can out of your current capabilities....train through it. I wouldn't even take Saturday off...yes, you could do less on Saturday, but a light workout will leave you better prepped for Sunday than not running.

         

        Strategy for 7K?  Who knows?  You could tackle it like a mis-measured 5K and go for (a) fling it out there for as long you can and fade to the finish [tried and true 5K approach for many]. or (b) find a pace you can run even for 5KM and then lay out whatever you have left for the final 2K.

        Choosing my words carefully has never been my strength I've been known to be vague and often pointless

          I completed my 7k relay race. I finished it in 28:40, the average pace is 6:36/m, which is 8 seconds faster than my 5K pace 6 weeks ago.

           

          I didn't have a fancy watch, so I don't know my split. It was a 4.75 loop route. I think a bit too slow on the second loop. Mentally I felt there were another 3 loops to go so I had to leave enough puff for the distance. A lady passed by me and I couldn't catch up all the way. After that, I didn't see anybody pass by me. On loop 4 and loop 5, my legs were tired (my legs were not fully recovered after 9 miles run on Thursday) and I reminded myself to keep my form and keep running as I have trained for so long. I exchanged my frequency to a wider stride for a couple times.

           

          In the last 200 meters, I sprinted, that was good.

          5k - 20:56 (09/12), 7k - 28:40 (11/12), 10k trial - 43:08  (03/13), 42:05 (05/13), FM - 3:09:28 (05/13), HM - 1:28:20 (05/14), Failed 10K trial - 6:10/mi for 4mi (08/14), FM - 3:03 (09/14)

          dallison


          registered pw

            No, not unrealistic at all.  My first was a 3:42 for which I was woefully under-trained and lacked the requisite respect for the distance.  It doesn't sound like you will have either of those problems -- you have plenty of runway to fix these deficiencies.  I had to learn the hard way.  Second one was under 3:30 (although I still had a lot to learn).  Smile

             

             

            That was my time also for my first full. I was only running 20-35 mpw and decided 4 days before the marathon to register and run it.

             

            I ended up walking/running the last 3 miles. In the last 6-8 miles i lost 15-20 minutes. My longest run was 17 miles the week before.

             

            So, yes, it is not an unrealistic time as long as you put in the miles and prepare.

            2013 goals:

            sub 19 5k

            sub 1:30 half

            3:20 marathon on second try

              I'd like to keep this thread alive for my progress.

               

              Here is my question today. Shall I reduce my mileage?

               

              My knees are a little hurt for about a couple minutes when I run. I don't feel hurting after the run or during the day. I think it might be the mileage increased too fast. Here is the reason.

               

              I ran my 7k race on the Sunday before last. I wanted to put my full effort, so I skipped a couple runs. So the week before my weekly mileage was 24.3 miles. Last week I jumped to 37.1 miles. I did my first half marathon distance run last Sunday and the speed was probably too fast, 7:43/mile average, on a flat trail though. After the run, I felt my left knee was little hurting, so I gave it some massage. The hurting could also due to the tempo run on Tuesday after the 7K race. On that day my calves were not fully recovery, and I couldn't finish 8 miles with 4 mile tempo as schedule.

               

              In my last two runs (8 miles with 10 x 100 interval on Tuesday and 5 miles tonight), I felt my knees were a little hurting for a few minutes during the run, but not afterwards. I am not sure if it is just my imagination or a real thing as I am a bit nervous to get injured since Sunday after 13 miles run.

               

              According to the schedule, I need to run 40 miles this week. I have done 13 miles.

              5k - 20:56 (09/12), 7k - 28:40 (11/12), 10k trial - 43:08  (03/13), 42:05 (05/13), FM - 3:09:28 (05/13), HM - 1:28:20 (05/14), Failed 10K trial - 6:10/mi for 4mi (08/14), FM - 3:03 (09/14)


              Old , Ugly and slow

                Take a rest day if you need it.Is the knee pain in the muscle or the joint.

                first race sept 1977 last race sept 2007

                 

                2014goals   1300  miles  , 190 pounds , deadlift 400 touch my toes

                  Take a rest day if you need it.Is the knee pain in the muscle or the joint.

                   

                  Sunday it was joint I think. The pain during running was joint, but i couldn't feel it now even i press it.

                  5k - 20:56 (09/12), 7k - 28:40 (11/12), 10k trial - 43:08  (03/13), 42:05 (05/13), FM - 3:09:28 (05/13), HM - 1:28:20 (05/14), Failed 10K trial - 6:10/mi for 4mi (08/14), FM - 3:03 (09/14)


                  Old , Ugly and slow

                    Just be careful. If the pain is gone it should be okay to run. Running with muscle soreness is ok but don't run with joint pain

                    first race sept 1977 last race sept 2007

                     

                    2014goals   1300  miles  , 190 pounds , deadlift 400 touch my toes

                      Update: I ran 9 miles this morning. My knees are ok.

                      5k - 20:56 (09/12), 7k - 28:40 (11/12), 10k trial - 43:08  (03/13), 42:05 (05/13), FM - 3:09:28 (05/13), HM - 1:28:20 (05/14), Failed 10K trial - 6:10/mi for 4mi (08/14), FM - 3:03 (09/14)

                      dallison


                      registered pw

                        Make sure to use ice after your runs to keep any inflammation down.

                        2013 goals:

                        sub 19 5k

                        sub 1:30 half

                        3:20 marathon on second try

                          Update: I ran 9 miles this morning. My knees are ok.

                           

                          Watch your hard efforts this week. You did a 7K race and then a tempo and then a 13 mile run probably too fast. That is a lot of hard efforts in a  short period of time. You need to allow your body to absorb that work.  Get miles in this week but keep the pace controlled and nothing more than striders is my advice.  If you keep trying to force in your "work outs" when you have not recovered from previous hard efforts, then that is not really training (it is straining) and sets you up for overtraining or an injury.

                          Those who try, fail! Those who do what it takes to succeed, succeed!!

                            Watch your hard efforts this week. You did a 7K race and then a tempo and then a 13 mile run probably too fast. That is a lot of hard efforts in a  short period of time. You need to allow your body to absorb that work.  Get miles in this week but keep the pace controlled and nothing more than striders is my advice.  If you keep trying to force in your "work outs" when you have not recovered from previous hard efforts, then that is not really training (it is straining) and sets you up for overtraining or an injury.

                             

                            That is exactly what I am looking for. Thanks Todd. I will keep my pace controlled for this Sunday's 14 miles run.

                            5k - 20:56 (09/12), 7k - 28:40 (11/12), 10k trial - 43:08  (03/13), 42:05 (05/13), FM - 3:09:28 (05/13), HM - 1:28:20 (05/14), Failed 10K trial - 6:10/mi for 4mi (08/14), FM - 3:03 (09/14)

                              I covered the mileages  (40mi) this week. This morning before the breakfast, I ran 14 miles. My knees were a little in pain very occasionally during the run. When it happened, I tried to focus on my running form. I hope it won't be a warning sign to get injury if I keep running. Next week is my recovery week, step down from 40 mi to 32. I hope that will help a little.

                               

                              I tried to control my pace this morning and managed to get the average at 8:00/mi. I felt quite comfortable all the way. My rest heart rate (during the day) is about 57. 3 hours after this morning run, my heart rate is still 76. Is it  normal?

                               

                              Here is the RunKeeper's spit.

                               

                              Mi Pace (min/mi) 
                              1   8:42 
                              2   8:34 
                              3   7:31 
                              4   7:39 
                              5   7:55 
                              6   8:04 
                              7   7:56 
                              8   8:33 
                              9   7:47 
                              10 8:07 
                              11 8:05 
                              12 7:33 
                              13 7:41

                              5k - 20:56 (09/12), 7k - 28:40 (11/12), 10k trial - 43:08  (03/13), 42:05 (05/13), FM - 3:09:28 (05/13), HM - 1:28:20 (05/14), Failed 10K trial - 6:10/mi for 4mi (08/14), FM - 3:03 (09/14)

                                This is a very old thread. For those who is thinking about the first marathon, my experience may encourage you a little bit.

                                 

                                A thread that I was deciding my MP may be useful as well and related to this one.

                                 

                                What do you feel after a long run @ MP?

                                 

                                My race report is  on my log.

                                5k - 20:56 (09/12), 7k - 28:40 (11/12), 10k trial - 43:08  (03/13), 42:05 (05/13), FM - 3:09:28 (05/13), HM - 1:28:20 (05/14), Failed 10K trial - 6:10/mi for 4mi (08/14), FM - 3:03 (09/14)

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