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How does the heat affect your training? (Read 728 times)

RunFree7


Run like a kid again!

    I didn't want to hijack another thread. However in this thread I saw a quote that is awesome from RunToWin: "I don't run my long runs at an easy pace; I run them at or near race pace." This is exactly how I feel. Somewhere along the line you have to train your body to efficiently handle the stress you are planning on putting it through on race day. I have been running more easy miles for Columbus then the Flying Pig. Mainly because I am running a lot more miles. The only run I consider hard at this point is my long runs that I have been doing at or near race pace. Like RunToWin I may change my mind for the training of the Flying Pig in 08 but for Columbus I am commited to this. I have no clue how I am going to do an 18 mile run this weekend when the temperature is supposed to be 100 with high humidty. I think the low for Sunday is supposed to be in the mid 70's with high humidity. Would you guys push a run like that off for next week or longer? How do you adjust for such days? I am not overly optimistic that it will cool down anytime soon here in Ohio though.
      2011 Goals:
      Sub 19 5K (19:24 5K July 14th 2010)
      Marathon under 3:05:59 BQ (3:11:10 Indy 2010)


    Lazy idiot

      Me personally? I'd change my focus to perceived exertion scale as opposed to pace. Make the run feel comparable to your expected pace, rather than be a slave to pace in 100 degree weather.

      Tick tock


      I've got a fever...

        You could use the calculator I mentioned in this thread to figure out an equivalent hot weather pace.

        On your deathbed, you won't wish that you'd spent more time at the office.  But you will wish that you'd spent more time running.  Because if you had, you wouldn't be on your deathbed.

          Me personally? I'd change my focus to perceived exertion scale as opposed to pace. Make the run feel comparable to your expected pace, rather than be a slave to pace in 100 degree weather.
          Yup. And I'd also be flexible on the distance and be prepared to cut it short if I were getting way overheated/dehydrated.

          Runners run.

            I didn't want to hijack another thread. However in this thread I saw a quote that is awesome from RunToWin: "I don't run my long runs at an easy pace; I run them at or near race pace." This is exactly how I feel. Somewhere along the line you have to train your body to efficiently handle the stress you are planning on putting it through on race day. I have been running more easy miles for Columbus then the Flying Pig. Mainly because I am running a lot more miles. The only run I consider hard at this point is my long runs that I have been doing at or near race pace. Like RunToWin I may change my mind for the training of the Flying Pig in 08 but for Columbus I am commited to this. I have no clue how I am going to do an 18 mile run this weekend when the temperature is supposed to be 100 with high humidty. I think the low for Sunday is supposed to be in the mid 70's with high humidity. Would you guys push a run like that off for next week or longer? How do you adjust for such days? I am not overly optimistic that it will cool down anytime soon here in Ohio though.
            My $0.02: Drag your butt out of bed REALLY EARLY to beat as much of the heat as possible. With 18 miles, you're going to be out there for a couple/ few hours, so you want to start WELL before the sun comes up. The humidity --- nothing you can do about that, but getting up before the sun should help a little. Hydrate well and listen to your body!! I wouldn't push it hard for 18 miles when it's 100+ degrees out --- IMO, that's just asking for trouble.
            2009: BQ?
              Head out before sun is up!!! Lots of water and be prepared to cut run short if needed! Also with heat, your effort will still be up there even if you run a little slower! MTA that is unless your planning on running a marathon in 100 degree weather with high humidity!

              Your toughness is made up of equal parts persistence and experience. You don't so much outrun your opponents as outlast and outsmart them, and the toughest opponent of all is the one inside your head." - Joe Henderson

                I agree with rockenmamof5. Get out of bed early, stay hydrated and cut it short, if needed. This week it has been miserable. I have been out of bed by 4:00 am to run. This allows me to travel near my work, be running by 5 and done by 6 or 6:30. I have a 16 miler to do on Saturday. I will be running by 4:00 am so I can be done by 6 or 6:15 regardless of how hot it will be later in the day. The key is time management and hydration. Manage those two factors and distance wont matter. Good Luck.... Wink
                RunFree7


                Run like a kid again!

                  My problem is that I like to be up an hour and half before I get running. So I am usually up by 4:00 but run at 6:00.
                    2011 Goals:
                    Sub 19 5K (19:24 5K July 14th 2010)
                    Marathon under 3:05:59 BQ (3:11:10 Indy 2010)


                  Needs more cowbell!

                    My problem is that I like to be up an hour and half before I get running. So I am usually up by 4:00 but run at 6:00.
                    That's my problem, too. I wish I could run without eating, but I've always been a little hypoglycemic and I will get seriously queasy and weak without food. Then I need to let it settle a little. I like to have coffee, too...it helps "clear things out." k

                    I shoot pretty things! ~

                    '14 Goals:

                    • 2 olympic distance duathlons -- 6 days apart -- PR at least 1

                    • 130#s (and stay there, gotdammit!)

                      My problem is that I like to be up an hour and half before I get running. So I am usually up by 4:00 but run at 6:00.
                      I hear you, I'm the same way. For my 18 miler last Sunday I got up a little before 4 am, ate breakfast and had my coffee. I was still out for my run around 5:30 and got a bunch in before the sun really came up. It's all about how bad you want to get that long run in!

                      Your toughness is made up of equal parts persistence and experience. You don't so much outrun your opponents as outlast and outsmart them, and the toughest opponent of all is the one inside your head." - Joe Henderson


                      A Dance with Monkeys

                        How does the heat affect your training?
                        Simple. I am not training. I am just putting in miles of basework right now.
                        RunFree7


                        Run like a kid again!

                          Okay first Trent you have to tell me why someone would be avg 25 mile weeks for a while then do a 100 mile week? Then I would love to know why you have 3 runs on one day! Not just once but several times.
                            2011 Goals:
                            Sub 19 5K (19:24 5K July 14th 2010)
                            Marathon under 3:05:59 BQ (3:11:10 Indy 2010)
                            Okay first Trent you have to tell me why someone would be avg 25 mile weeks for a while then do a 100 mile week? Then I would love to know why you have 3 runs on one day! Not just once but several times.
                            I'm not Trent, but I do believe that those 25 mile weeks we're right after his last marathon in June. Of course that may have nothing to do with it or maybe life got in the way those weeks. As for the 100 miles in one week. This is a guy who did 2 marathons within an 8 or 9 day period! Need I say more?

                            Your toughness is made up of equal parts persistence and experience. You don't so much outrun your opponents as outlast and outsmart them, and the toughest opponent of all is the one inside your head." - Joe Henderson

                              If you can my recommendation is to get up very early before the sun comes up or wait a few hours for things to chill out after the sun goes down. Heat is hard on the body. Lately, I have running on an open field after 10pm. Hoping to keep putting in 3 mile runs in till my body feels better. modal (who has never run 18 miles and wonders if there is flying armadillo race)

                              Vim

                                Hey Bearcat, fellow Ohioan here just chiming in to say I feel your pain. I have been seriously depressed over the weather here. I am not much of an early riser, and had finally established an after-work routine when the heat came in and just knocked me out of it. I've started some morning running, but it really has put a damper on my spirits. Running this morning at 6:00 was still too hot with all the humidity hanging around. I'm just not doing intense days, and am trying to just keep my base through the heat wave. Also trying to moderate pace according to perceived effort, as others have suggested, rather than keeping an eye on the watch. The only bad part here is that overheating toward the end of my run makes my pace pretty uneven, but I think it is the only way to go right now. Related to your original topic, I'm a big believer in training at fast speeds to get faster. This year, I've tried to mix things up by running a little easier, and I think I got alot better results per unit of time invested last year when I ran faster all the time. That said, I've been alot healthier this year, so I guess it can swing either way. Glad I'm not the only one struggling with it. Wish you luck! Here are couple quotes from Emil Zatopek which are relevant to both topics in this thread:
                                “Why should I practice running slow? I already know how to run slow. I want to learn to run fast.”
                                “There is a great advantage in training under unfavorable conditions. It is better to train under bad conditions, for the difference is then a tremendous relief in a race.”
                                That mentality worked for him, so why not us, eh?
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