Morning! Disneyland HM done with hubby. Man, the Orlando races are so much better. Five minutes in a water station without a way to go around it was among the tight disasters of this race. We had fun though and he got his second moon on the Fanatics.

Congrats to you and DH!

LRB, but you were not wearing the HRM right?  Most Garmins use the HR/effort formula but if you don't have the HRM, the formula it uses is less accurate. I burn more on race effort than easy runs even if the same distance. I run with hubby and take more time but my caloric burn is less because the effort is less.

6 miles later. It's raining like a mofo now so maybe I'll hit the trails and get my shoes all muddy.

 

No, I do not.  And I must be honest in that like D Pizzle whatever number Garmin spits out is good enough for me.

 

Currently it says I burn between 137 & 145 calories per mile but if I found out that was 30 too high or 50 too low neither would really bother me.

I have a hard time imagining consuming 2500 cal in one day..... and I am lucky if I get that much in on my LR days that are more than 16 miles  running is so much easier than eating.... at least for me it is.

Last week's 9 miler states I burned 1,004 (1:22:57), the Wednesday before that it says 1,009 (1:30:20) and the Wednesday before that it states 986 cals burned (1:34:38). Which is why I don't pay any attention to it

Average pace today was 8:47. Which is about where it's supposed to be, although with my usual massive negative split; 9-10mpm for the first 5, then got into a decent groove, then decided to pick it up at the end for 8:03 & 7:53 in the last 2. Pretty humid today, not ideal conditions, but overall the run felt good in the later miles. Until those last 2. So what is somewhat disconcerting:

 

1. I was totally sucking wind at the end, with 2 miles at basically GMP. That's the pace I'm going to try to run 26.2 at? What am I thinking?

 

2. Total time was 2:55. That was the exact time of my first 20-miler 2 years ago, 3 weeks before my first marathon. Which of course did not end well. Incidentally, that run was part of my then-record week of 37 miles. Ha ha.

 

So anyway, maybe this is all normal, but it's messing with my mind.

A couple of observations:

You most likely ran your first 20 miler too fast back then.  I was at 2 hours at the 15 mile mark today and in 2012 ran it way too flipping fast at 2:05.

If I go out and run a single mile at MP it would be uncomfortable.  If I run 4 of them the last one or two of them would be a struggle.  If I run 10 of them, again, the last one or two would be a struggle.

My point to that is the mind has a way of sometimes starting to check out when the end is near.  This true of any pace except for easy pace if you are a trained runner.

Or, you could be right and have digressed since your first marathon.  But do you really believe that?

 

I don't know you, but I would say you're the famous clydsedale size (I can't spell it) - you know, tall and broad and stuff?

I don't know that word or concept. I'm tall, I'm not narrow, but I wouldn't say I'm broad. My light weight is mostly from my thickness or lack of. I'm pretty much butt-less and chest-less. I have skinny thighs too. Not a description that will have RA women drooling at the thought of seeing me, LOL!

 

I don't know that word or concept. I'm tall, I'm not narrow, but I wouldn't say I'm broad. My light weight is mostly from my thickness or lack of. I'm pretty much butt-less and chest-less. I have skinny thighs too. Not a description that will have RA women drooling at the thought of seeing me, LOL!

lol. I think Clydesdale is the term used for tall/larger (not necessarily fat) or even muscular runners. You know, like the actual Clydesdale compared to say a Thoroughbred or Quarterhorse, they are all beautiful, strong animals but the Clydesdale is a powerhouse animal.

 

You guys are fast...  seriously running your 20's fast.

 

I don't have 20's, I have 18's.  Even so I run them at 2:30- 2:34  around an 8:30 pace.  My last 2-4 miles is in the 7:40 to 7:45 range and is *Nowhere* near my MP.  And my legs feel like Gumby Dammit.

 

Of 'course I am following a different plan type.  None of my LRs have any MP pacing.  I do however have seriously long ass tempos.  12-15 milers...  and they suck.

I have not run a 20 this year and do not plan to.  My lone 20 last year was run in 2:54, an 8:43 pace.  My easy pace back then was about 8:15 to 8:20 ish.

My 18 today was run in 2:25, an 8:05 pace and about 20 seconds slower than my current easy pace.

In 2012 I ran an 18, 20 and 22 miler up to 45 seconds slower than my then easy pace and there is no way in hell I will ever do anything like that again in my life.

Now I just run long easy, for whatever easy is that day.  My long runs contain no quality or speed, that is reserved for its own day.

Running long blows, running long purposely slower is a death blow to my head.  lol

I have a 12 to 14 mile tempo run next week and I am so looking forward to it after that snooze-fest I had today!