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"Expose Your Slow Twitchers" Daily Maffetone and/or Low-HR Training Reports (Read 23292 times)

BeeRunB


    Go, Jimmy, Go!

    Don't stop.  The first run back is always the toughest: it's all downhill from here.

     

    Free A/C:  Day 33, 4AM HS Track, 21C, 16C dp, so cool!, MAF=138

    10k shodded 1:18:30 HR: 133 pace: 12'33"mpm

    5k barefoot 0:37:34 HR: 134 pace: 12'00"mpm

     

    70F today compared to 77F yesterday felt like running straight into air conditioning, especially compared with the higher humidity yesterday!  Someone took my 1 litre bottle of water, so I ran the 5k BF without my normal, in-between quenching.  But to be fair, it was so cool that I didn't seem to need it.  I am still walking time-to-time when my HR hits MAF (or a little over) and doesn't come down, but it happens far less often than 4.5 weeks ago when I started.

     

    It's finally beginning to feel like jogging for real.

     

    Since MAFing, PBs straight across the board today: 1km, 5km, 1mi, 10k.

     

    - Ken

     

    Thanks, Ken. I have a schedule---deep into the aerobic system--increasing volume of time 5% per week.

     

    Running-wise, it's amazing the difference in stress between 70° and 80° as opposed to 40° and 50°. 

     

    Congrats on your PB's. 

     

    --JimmyCool

    BeeRunB


      30:00

      1.5 miles

      20:00 pace

      walking

      --Jimmy

      kfmfe04


        Ya - I can't wait to run in the 60's range!

         

        Pump up da Volume:  Day 34, 4AM HS Track, 23C, 21C dp, light rain, MAF=138

        13k shodded 1:41:57 HR: 134 pace: 12'32"mpm

        7k barefoot 0:55:05 HR: 134 pace: 12'35"mpm

         

        Combined 20k 2:37:02 longest run so far (almost 1/2 a marathon - woohoo!)


        Got up at 3:20AM for the Saturday long run.  It was raining hard in big droplets (couldn't really see them as it was dark, but I could certainly hear them).  Saw a brief opening at 4AM so I rushed out: some sporadic light rain during the run.  Much more humid than yesterday. Feet a bit tired from long barefoot run.

         

        Best reward?  Almond milk, lots of pineapple, baguette with butter, and egg custard after the run.  Smile

         

        - Ken

        Age:42, MAF:138, 168cm/5'6", 62.2kg/137lb (from 73kg/161lb), BF: 14.9%

        Goals:  MAF10k@56:50, 59kg/130lb (32 days to go)

        Stage: Trying to get back to MAF Base Building after muscle strain injury

        My Training Log

         

        kfmfe04


          Squish/Squash to Splish/Splash:  Day 35, 4AM HS Track, 24C, 22C dp, medium-heavy rain, MAF=138

          10k shodded 1:22:34 HR: 135 pace: 13'12"mpm

          5k barefoot 0:37:50 HR: 134 pace: 11'56"mpm

           

          Shodded run at km 2-3 was horrendous:  the heavy rain made me want to give up.  Luckily by km 4, it let up.  Heavy rains came and went three more times during the 10k trot.  5k BF run was totally different: squish/squash (shodded) became splish/splash (barefoot).

           

          The puddles became a HUGE PLUS - it was like running with A/C running through my feet! 

           

          I could feel this was going to be a fast one (relatively)...

          ...ended up PB on 1km, 5km, and mi again, including the first time I broke 12mpm (11'56"mpm).

           

          Of course, when I got home, there was no need to do the laundry Joking

           

          - Ken

          Age:42, MAF:138, 168cm/5'6", 62.2kg/137lb (from 73kg/161lb), BF: 14.9%

          Goals:  MAF10k@56:50, 59kg/130lb (32 days to go)

          Stage: Trying to get back to MAF Base Building after muscle strain injury

          My Training Log

           

          runnerclay


          Consistently Slow

            Welcome back to the road/ treadmill Jimmy. 12.5 miles HR 117 / 137

            Run until the trail runs out.

             SCHEDULE 2016--

             The pain that hurts the worse is the imagined pain. One of the most difficult arts of racing is learning to ignore the imagined pain and just live with the present pain (which is always bearable.) - Jeff

            unsolicited chatter

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            kfmfe04


              Eclipse! Day 36, 5AM HS Track, 22C, 19C dp, drizzle, MAF=138

              10k shodded 1:16:24 (PB) HR: 135 pace: 12'12"mpm

              5k barefoot ABORTED

               

              My policy for aborting workouts:

               

              I am allowed to abort any training workout, as long as I set my foot onto the track.

               

              It was hard getting out of bed today - I felt bloated...  ...but I did get a very low RHR this morning of 56 (I'm usually about 60-64).  I figure the bloating is due to increasing the amount of fiber in my diet, having insufficient good bacteria (like from yogurt) in my gut, and taking in a soda late in the day.  

               

              I'm usually out the door around 4:20-4:30AM, but it took me until after 5 to get out today.  By the time I reached the HS track, it was already bright.  I figured I'd do 5k and abort if I didn't feel any better.

               

              During my warmup, I felt ok after burping a bit.  At the end of km 2, I registered a surprisingly fast 7'36" for the km.  That was plenty of juice for me to keep going despite the darkened skies due to the morning Eclipse.  The darkness cleared in the last 400m, and I ended the 10k shodded for a PB of 1:16:24 (Day 6 10k 1:33:26).

               

              I was tempted to do the BF as a PB in the shodded usually results in a PB for the BF, but my gut wasn't feeling that great so I decided to call it a day...

               

              - Ken

              Age:42, MAF:138, 168cm/5'6", 62.2kg/137lb (from 73kg/161lb), BF: 14.9%

              Goals:  MAF10k@56:50, 59kg/130lb (32 days to go)

              Stage: Trying to get back to MAF Base Building after muscle strain injury

              My Training Log

               

              kfmfe04


                Back on Track: Day 37, 4AM HS Track, 22C, 17C dp, clear & dry!, MAF=138

                10k shodded 1:15:01 (PB) HR: 134 pace: 12'00"mpm

                5k barefoot 35:47 (PB) HR: 135 pace: 11'26"mpm

                 

                Last night, I had salad and fruit for dinner so no stomach ailments.  Add to that a nice, dry track (first in many days) and the result?  PB's all around.

                 

                It's kind of getting exciting now as my 10k times are slowly approaching the 1hr mark.  If I can get it down to 56:50 and my weight down to 59kg, then I will be ready to leave base building.  At this rate, I expect to hit the pace target before I hit the weight target.

                 

                My other plan is, once I get my 10k time consistently under 1hr, I will begin to extend the length of both runs.  Ultimately, I would like to do 20k worth of running in 2 hours as part of my MAF base building.

                 

                - Ken

                Age:42, MAF:138, 168cm/5'6", 62.2kg/137lb (from 73kg/161lb), BF: 14.9%

                Goals:  MAF10k@56:50, 59kg/130lb (32 days to go)

                Stage: Trying to get back to MAF Base Building after muscle strain injury

                My Training Log

                 

                labhiker


                  Bike Path, 3 miles, 114 ave w/ 124spike

                   

                  Ran a hard 8miles sunday afternoon in the sun and heat. 

                   

                  Felt a bit off this morning.  Tightness in right hamstring and a high resting hr. 

                   

                  Pace was slow and ran easy by low HR. 

                   

                  May need some added rest

                  labhiker

                  npaden


                    Fastest MAF run yet and lowest avg HR on top of that. 

                     

                    MAF 136, ended up with an 10:41 avg pace and 132 avg HR.  Was a short run at only 3.5 miles though.  I'm on business in DFW and dropped about 2,000' of elevation so that probably has something to do with it.

                    Age: 50 Weight: 224 Height: 6'3" (Goal weight 195)

                    Current PR's:  Mara 3:14:36* (2017); HM 1:36:13 (2017); 10K 43:59 (2014); 5K 21:12 (2016)

                    kfmfe04


                      Exit Wogging, Enter Galloway RWR: Day 38, 4AM HS Track, 21C, 16C dp, clear & dry, MAF=138

                      10k shodded 1:14:10 (PB) HR: 134 pace: 11'52"mpm

                      5k barefoot 35:01 (PB) HR: 136 pace: 11'12"mpm

                       

                      Ever since I started MAFing, I derided the dreaded wog.  As if being passed by little six year olds and their poodles wasn't ego-crushing enough, I was periodically forced to walk even slower when the jog pushed me over my MAF.  Last week, I celebrated when my heart was strong enough that I could slightly lean back and stay below my MAF (instead of walking for a while to stay below my MAF).

                       

                      It turned out that I made the wrong choice.

                       

                      While I was browsing the web for Prefontaine the other day, I came across Jeff Galloway and his Run-Walk-Run (RWR) methodology.  His idea is simple:  at fixed time or distance intervals, take a walk break for a fixed time or distance.

                       

                      WTF?!?!?  This sounded exactly like wogging, except he is more methodical, and he's actually doing it on purpose!  

                       

                      Galloway claimed the following benefits of using RWR:

                       

                      • During the walk, you use different muscles than the run, so your running muscles get a rest.  Your running segment will likely be noticeably faster.
                      • Since the Walk in RWR happens at regular intervals, you will feel less tired towards the end of your run - maybe even negative split.
                      • There is less chance of injury.
                      • Psychologically, it's easier to extend your run, because all you have to do is run a short distance before your next walk/rest.
                      • Most surprisingly:  your overall time will probably be faster (unless you are already an elite-level runner).

                      I found the last point shocking, but I did glimpse a hint of this when I was testing the choice between slowing down and walking when I hit MAF.

                       

                      Galloway actually claims when he sampled a bunch of marathon runners who have run 10 or more marathons, they cut their times by 13 minutes on average by trying RWR (marketing hype or for real?!?).  The craziest story was some guy who improved his marathon from 2:33 to 2:28 by putting 20 second walking breaks every mile from mile 1.  After I read this thread and saw other fast runners apply RWR to the half marathon, I had to try this for myself.

                       

                      So today, I decided to run the shodded 10k primarily using Maffetone, while using Galloway's methodology to force myself to take breaks.  

                       

                      My rule was, starting at 2.5km, walk for 8-12 breaths (about 10 secs) every 0.5km (about 210 secs).  

                      (the first 2km is a warmup from MAF-20 to MAF, so it already includes walks) 

                       

                      Still, if I hit MAF at any time during the run, I will slow the jog.

                       

                      Psychologically, this was fantastic.  I was no longer running a 10k.  Instead, I was running a 0.5k because in 500m, I was going to get a breather.  I think this will help even more when I extend the run to longer distances.  Today, I felt much fresher at the end of the 10k.  

                       

                      As icing on the cake, I PBed the shodded 10k on Galloway RWR.

                       

                      So starting from now on, I intend to take Galloway RWR breaks in the shodded run until I find that they are hurting more than helping (which may be a long ways off or perhaps never...).

                       

                      - Ken

                      Age:42, MAF:138, 168cm/5'6", 62.2kg/137lb (from 73kg/161lb), BF: 14.9%

                      Goals:  MAF10k@56:50, 59kg/130lb (32 days to go)

                      Stage: Trying to get back to MAF Base Building after muscle strain injury

                      My Training Log

                       

                      kfmfe04


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                        Age:42, MAF:138, 168cm/5'6", 62.2kg/137lb (from 73kg/161lb), BF: 14.9%

                        Goals:  MAF10k@56:50, 59kg/130lb (32 days to go)

                        Stage: Trying to get back to MAF Base Building after muscle strain injury

                        My Training Log

                         

                        npaden


                          7.81 miles, 10:56 avg pace, 137 avg HR.

                           

                          74 degrees and 10 mph SW breeze. 650' avg elevation.  Got up earlier than ever before to start my run (started running at 5:56 AM), but ended up a little long on the route (staying in a hotel) and was worried about making it back to the room in time to get ready so ended up a beat high on my avg HR.  It didn't go over 136 until after mile 6.5 though.

                          Age: 50 Weight: 224 Height: 6'3" (Goal weight 195)

                          Current PR's:  Mara 3:14:36* (2017); HM 1:36:13 (2017); 10K 43:59 (2014); 5K 21:12 (2016)

                          BeeRunB


                            83°F

                            50:00

                            3.04 miles

                            15:47 pace

                             

                            A combination of walking/running. Mostly walking.

                             

                            --JImmyCool

                            kfmfe04


                              Jimmy, are you running the sauna or the steamroom?

                               

                              Crappy 10k, Nice 5k: Day 39, 4AM HS Track, 25C, 20C dp, warm, MAF=138

                              10k shodded 1:18:51 HR: 133 pace: 12'36"mpm

                              5k barefoot 36:16 HR: 135 pace: 11'36"mpm

                               

                              It was hard getting out of bed this morning: swigging a glass of cold water helped.  First couple of kms (warmup) was unpleasant with the higher temperatures compared to yesterday.  By the third km, my legs turned to lead: aborting crossed my mind.  By km 5, yesterday's carbo-load at lunch had caught up with me and I had to take a dump (running at a HS track has its advantages).  Now, I felt better: was able to complete the shodded 10k fine.  5k barefoot felt great, as usual (note that 1mpm differential vs 10k shodded).

                               

                              - Ken

                              Age:42, MAF:138, 168cm/5'6", 62.2kg/137lb (from 73kg/161lb), BF: 14.9%

                              Goals:  MAF10k@56:50, 59kg/130lb (32 days to go)

                              Stage: Trying to get back to MAF Base Building after muscle strain injury

                              My Training Log

                               

                              BeeRunB


                                Jimmy, are you running the sauna or the steamroom?

                                 

                                Crappy 10k, Nice 5k: Day 39, 4AM HS Track, 25C, 20C dp, warm, MAF=138

                                10k shodded 1:18:51 HR: 133 pace: 12'36"mpm

                                5k barefoot 36:16 HR: 135 pace: 11'36"mpm

                                 

                                It was hard getting out of bed this morning: swigging a glass of cold water helped.  First couple of kms (warmup) was unpleasant with the higher temperatures compared to yesterday.  By the third km, my legs turned to lead: aborting crossed my mind.  By km 5, yesterday's carbo-load at lunch had caught up with me and I had to take a dump (running at a HS track has its advantages).  Now, I felt better: was able to complete the shodded 10k fine.  5k barefoot felt great, as usual (note that 1mpm differential vs 10k shodded).

                                 

                                - Ken

                                 

                                Just the end room where the TM lives--it keeps it warm. Cold-blooded contraption.Cool