There must be some physiological basis for different reaction to H&H, even beyond the issue of being acclimatized. My DW and I joke about it all the time; she's from Georgia and I'm from New Hampshire with the predictable differences in reaction to temps. About now, she's freezing, I'm comfortable. In the summer, she loves the heat, I'm wiped out and wilted.

I don't know about that...my DH is from Southern California and I'm from Ohio, but about now I'm freezing and he's comfortable; in the summer I love the heat, and he's wiped out and wilted....

Maybe I'm just goofy.

Well Mary.....um, never mind... Tim

Tim - whew, so many runners so far today maybe you can jump in ahead of twocat anyway and celebrate makin' it to your nemesis 16 yesterday with a couple of nonruns today. nonrunners anonymous - standings as of COR Monday 11/17 lamerunner - 7 erika - 15 twocat - 15 biketim - 16 tetsujin - 23 stumpy - ?

To-may-to, to-mah-to, po-tay-to, po-tah-to... ETA: Hey AAMOS, could you drop me a note at tramps2 at gmail dot com? I've got a couple quick questions for you.

Sure. Right away. (There's another tramps??? )

Carolyn, what a yummy run. Mary, I don't know about upside down. But the first thought I had seeing your picture yesterday was 'where's that extra weight she's whining about??'. . the next one was BRRRR. Erika, don't hurt something else! Divechief, WTG on your DNF. PDR, I hope your Dear Old Dad is feeling better. Bob, have a great time. Like Lou said, nice runs, as usual. Perch, get some rest. Nice runs & non runs everybody else too. you all amaze me. I think I just saw part of a discussion a little while ago about some of the heart rates you post. Don't know how you do it. I will illustrate. this morning I ran 3.52 (just gradually working back up), average pace 9:38, max 8 something. i think my ahr was 171, max was 184. I just realized this morning it's getting higher because I've stopped stopping for a few seconds every now & then to let it drop. Seemed it was better for endurance, & more representative if I didn't (stop). but sheesh. oh well. Then 22 min. on the elliptical, 2 sets on the weight machines, stability ball reverse crunches, side planks (1.5 min. each side), & russian twists. It's funny, a few weeks I wouldn't even consider the elliptical. Now afterI added it as a fill in after a mile or so, it's become a requirement. tough timewise. another mile on the run & I'll leave that off the program, I think. mta, good luck Gordon!!

Wildchild - Since you're in the CO mountains (but then, what part of CO isn't mountainous ), didn't you and Mtnchk/Cindy meet up at a race last year?

Well, the whole east half of Colorado is flat. Denver is known as "queen city of the plains." The Rockies rise up quite abruptly from the plains just west of Boulder/Golden. I live in the foothills about 20 miles west of Golden, at about 9,300 ft elevation. I get to take advantage of the climate difference between the mountains and the flatlands, by running at home in the summer, and at work in the winter. Yeah, Cindy and I met at the Slacker Half Marathon in June! I got to meet Mairead, too.

7.29 miles, 10:48 pace. It felt a little easier than yesterday, meaning, I didn't have to walk up any of the hills. I tried running the last 1/4 mile fast, and it just about did me in to run 8:30 pace for that long. Talk about no endurance, no speed. Legs felt like molasses and the lungs like gunked up carburetors. But it was 50F with no wind and just a soft drizzle....ahhh, lovely. Fingers crossed for Gordon Big reorg at DH's company today...he thinks he is safe, I hope so. As much as I hate being kicked out of a club, I am very grateful and happy I DNF in the 40/0 group.

Now that Spareribs is no longer posting here, we can talk about these things without getting fined. My last long run, 2 miles from a bathroom, the woods saved me. Anyone else like to share?