...how old do you think we are?

Old enought to have watched "Bob Newhart" re-runs? I used to love that show back in the 70s when... Oh, nevermind.

Okay you idiots. This is my swamp, Jeff gave it to me...so um...shut the fuck up and stuff before I don't do anything about it.

What is important is to see where they want to move things irrespective of specific policies. In other words, and to use a military term, know the commander's intent. And I personally prefer Obama's intent over McCain's.

I agree that it boils down to the question of intent. However, my eyes see things differently than yours...here is my perspective. I question Obama's loyalty to America - here are a few of the reasons: The message his church preached “Not God Bless America, God Damn America.” His hesitancy to show the basic courtesies of patriotism during the national anthem and the pledge of allegiance His explanation of "why" a few days after September 11. He implied that it was because America doesn't empathize with the terrorists who attacked us Even in his speech at Berlin, he said that too often America is seen in Europe as part of what is wrong with the world. He went on to say this was an extreme, but it’s clear he believes the actions of America need to be approved by other countries. His plans will effectively weaken our military -Stop funding the missile defense system - Stop developing new weapons (of course Russia and China will stop if we do won’t they…note the sarcastic font.) - He plans to seek a global ban on development of nuclear material…which would effectively work as well as gun control laws – only the law abiding will be affected. Do you think people who fly planes into buildings care about laws? He talks about "ending" the war, not winning it. If you have an enemy so intent on killing you that they're willing to kill themselves in the process, you don't have the option to stop fighting. With all the criticism Bush gets (and I know he's far from perfect), I think we've become complacent about the real risk of another attack. This is exactly what the terrorists are counting on. Kabooom!!! Maybe posting this was as stupid as signing up for the flying monkey, but it's what I believe. MTA: The "Kaboom!!!" was a text version of the "atomic bomb" pic....meaning this is an atomic bomb topic. Just so no one misunderstands.

Thanks for your perspective, Tony. Let's see if we can keep this thread from blowing up.

Thanks for your perspective, Tony. Let's see if we can keep this thread from blowing up.

Thanks Jeff - maybe we could talk about triathlons...how's the swimming coming? Does it hurt your leg? I hurt my calf on Tuesday, but didn't mention it hoping it would just go away. It feels better now, but I'll see for real tomorrow when I get off the bike. when I start the 3rd leg of the triathlon.

My first response to you, Tony, would be that anyone (including McCain) who is willing and able to put themselves through the presidential grind absolutely and totally loves his country. I mean, he has basically chosen public service as his life's calling. That's why I've never understood those who question Obama's basic love of and loyalty to the country. I understand that you might have a different conception of what America ought to be than Obama does, but you can't question his commitment to America, can you?

Look, if I didn't blow it up when Thunder called me an "oldie," you all are certainly free of detonation threat this afternoon.

You're an oldie but goodie Tanya, I'm just playin.