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Cal - that makes sense, although I have seen examples when there’s lots of trees or buildings of running in a straight line through a building or lake.
Absolutely. Big buildings in the cities, tunnels, big trees coverage, deep canyons at the trail races - those can and will be able to screw the routes. But if it is open course, with not too many coverage, then it's hardly likely. (unless GPS goes completely bonkers, but you will see it on the map).
paces PRs - 5K - 5:48 / 10K - 6:05 / HM - 6:14 / FM - 6:26 per mile
One more week till marathon next Sunday...
In any given race you're all running the same course so why care if it's a bit off some expected measurement?
Unless you're going for some world record or qualifier of some sort where a more precise time is important, it just doesn't fucking matter.
Even championship races - all running the same course and it's who crosses the line first, no? Fucking relax people!
MMerkle - good classic week 2, other than I would have expected an easy day in between the tempo and progression run so early in the cycle.
JMac - NYC was my absolute favorite sub-elite entry. Bussed privately from Manhattan to the start. Get to hang out and stay in the gym with the elites and get physio if you wanted (and real bathrooms!). Then escorted to the start. Pure luxury.
Dave - nice 3 hr long run and week. I did Hood to Coast in 2019. There's no pacing necessary. Your body will know what to do. Have fun!
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Ian - That 5K will certainly take the sting out of your legs, especially running it only 4 days later.
Dave - sensible decision. You can only go that many times to the well.
Jmac - I believe you will be happy then to hear that my supposed 10K race has a course that is 9.7km long on their site 😂 Also the rules state that the race is "approximately 10km"
https://corridadodragao.eu/percurso
In other news, I think you will enjoy paying a visit to this place -> https://www.ocafenyc.com/
Once there, you will order a few "pão de queijo", and also "brigadeiro" if they have it that day.
Thank me later 😎
Short courses - My 10K PR was ruined because the folks organizing the Pisa 10k measured the course wrong. At least the photo finish with the leaning tower on the background was badass.
PRs: 1500 4:54.1 2019 - 5K 17:53 2023 - 10K 37:55 2023 - HM 1:21:59 2021
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Jmac - I believe you will be happy then to hear that my supposed 10K race has a course that is 9.7km long on their site 😂 Also the rules state that the race is "approximately 10km" https://corridadodragao.eu/percurso In other news, I think you will enjoy paying a visit to this place -> https://www.ocafenyc.com/ Once there, you will order a few "pão de queijo", and also "brigadeiro" if they have it that day. Thank me later 😎 Short courses - My 10K PR was ruined because the folks organizing the Pisa 10k measured the course wrong. At least the photo finish with the leaning tower on the background was badass.
I've never been huge on bake goods. Maybe I'll reject your advice for 3 years like I did with acai, and then come back and say how right you were.
And yeah that's a great picture. I've heard there's not much more to the town besides the tower, is that true?
Cal - any idea on goal now? Sub 3:05? That's also a lot of miles the week before a marathon!
Steve - good look over the next 3 weeks. I find the last 3 before the marathon really tell you whether you are in shape or not, as you sometimes get false signals in previous weeks
Ian - even with that half time, a PR looks like a good goal for your upcoming full
Cinnamon - I am so jealous you got into that sub-elite corral. For men, I think it's something like sub 2:30 although it's not as clear as to what the cutoffs are as this local competitive corral I'm trying to get into.
Dave - half marathon pace for each segment feels about right, but that's honestly just a total guess.
5K: 16:37 (11/20) | 10K: 34:49 (10/19) | HM: 1:14:57 (5/22) | FM: 2:36:31 (12/19)
Next Race: NYC Half (3/19)
Thanks for the input. The training plan said to do this, but I had a hectic week and had to switch things around. A bit of a dice roll, but I figured I could handle it since this isn't my first time using this training plan (it's my third).
Dave: A 3 hour long run is quite a commitment. Well done. I have no idea how I would pace that relay either to be honest, I guess I would run the first leg fairly conservative. How much rest is in between your legs? It sounds like a fun thing to try. Let us know how it goes.
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Steve - Good week, and awesome that you felt progressively better as the week went on. Final push!
Mark - Pretty darn good for a rust buster, I'll say. A runner local to me is in your area, for some reason. Also, I don't think JMac and Mikkey are trying to gaslight you at all - that's all in your head, mate.
Flavio - Solid week. Assuming you can haul it up that hill, the extra 9kg should really help speed things up on the downhill finish!
Dave - Very nice week. Best of luck on the relay, that sounds like a fun one. RP may be able to give some advice on pacing for the relay, he has some experience there.
Cal - Big week, especially ahead of a marathon.
Pretty decent week here, though I did somewhat botch the Wednesday workout by failing to adjust for the conditions and going out too fast for the first tempo portion. One would really think I'd be smart enough by this point in the summer to avoid that, but one would be wrong. Shifted my LR day around to help accommodate DD1s first football/soccer tournament of the year (2nd place, 3-2 in the finals and the only team to score against the winners).
Starting to shift more into marathon training mode and those LR are only getting tougher from here on.
5k: 17:58 11/22 │ 10k: 37:55 9/21 │ HM: 1:23:22 4/22 │ M: 2:56:05 12/22
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Hello everyone. I have been here watching where everyone is doing. Great stuff. After my last race it took some time to get my energy back up to get in some solid running. My last 2 weeks have been amazing.
M-10 progressive. Started at 8:18 and finished at 6:34
T- easy 7.8
W- 8x400m at 6:22. Then 4 miles trail running.
Th- 8.3
F- easy 8
S- 18 miles with 6 mile tempo at 6:50 pace.
64 miles for the week.
5 weeks to marathon. I still have lots of work to do.
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PAge 167. Before all the bullshit chatter about gaslighting or something. This place really went to shit and I wasn't even involved in it this time. I always thought it was me being negative and taking others with me. Something I was told by a previous employer. Anyways...important part in bold below.
I feel pretty good now, not my best training cycle though. Compare this last two months with last year's - I definitely was running faster and more efficient last year (and last year I thought I am slow . So, last year I ran Santa Rosa in 3:00:13. So, based on comparison of these two years, I might run maybe 3:05 this year (weather might be a factor - Aug race can be pretty hot), the safer bet would be sub 3:10. Of course, as always ideal would be sub 3 (need to get there again), but I do not see how that might happening if that didn't happen last year.
Krash welcome back. Your runs are always impressive to me. It's actually cool to see you go from being such a mountain runner to road speed so easily. After training for my 50 miler I was afraid I'd lose a lot of speed or focus on how to train for road races.
Dave I hope you're able to just relax with these competitive runners. I don't think I'd enjoy a competitive relay just because the one here is such hard running to be competitive about. I always look at relays as fun runs. Maybe I need to be on a more competitive team.
I had some stuff go down at work and it is negatively impacting my running. I canceled all workouts, lost desire to run, and just might put off Boston 2023 at this point if things go the way I fear. Work has usually helped me train because running gets me away from things. I can't get away from this and my run streak is the only reason I'm continuing to run.
Many of us aren't sure what the hell point you are trying to make and no matter how we guess, it always seems to be something else. Which usually means a person is doing it on purpose.
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5k19:35 | Marathon 2:56:07
I'll put Cal down for a 3:10, it does look warm. Ian I put you down for a PR in your full, and Steve I'll adjust you back to 3:20.
We haven't seen HermosaBoy in a while.
Krash - good to see you.
Keen - It's so difficult to get the first rep right in the heat unless you've done a super long warmup before (i.e. to get yourself overheated). I've never nailed it. Don't feel bad.
I am excited for some September weather to come around, but I know the real good days don't come until October.
Question for the group - has anyone done a super long cooldown after a race to add miles? I am running a 10K this Saturday, but cannot run Sunday-Monday at a minimum due to travel. I wanted to add miles after my 10K to a) make up for that a bit and b) run home from the race.
The additional miles post-10K could be around 9 miles, so it's not insignificant. I would of course take these miles as easy as needed.
I know Pfitz is a fan of long runs the day after a race, and I know some people have tacked on a bunch of miles after a 5K, but anybody done something like this for a "longer" race? Only real concern is injury risk.
Ian I put you down for a PR in your full.
Jmac-Cheers,that's where I'll be aiming,it would give me a 7 minute cushion for London which should be enough.
Have you ran home after a race before? I've tried it but after racing hard my legs don't want to run home and I've only managed it once.
5k 17:35,10k 36:43,10m 61:55,HM 1:24:03,Full 3:07:39
Question for the group - has anyone done a super long cooldown after a race to add miles? I am running a 10K this Saturday, but cannot run Sunday-Monday at a minimum due to travel. I wanted to add miles after my 10K to a) make up for that a bit and b) run home from the race. The additional miles post-10K could be around 9 miles, so it's not insignificant. I would of course take these miles as easy as needed. I know Pfitz is a fan of long runs the day after a race, and I know some people have tacked on a bunch of miles after a 5K, but anybody done something like this for a "longer" race? Only real concern is injury risk.
I guess I’ve only added that many after a 5k, and yes I’ve also done the Pfitz LR the day after a 10k race. But I think you’re probably OK, as long as you take it super-easy. It’s gonna suck tho.
Dave
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I'll put Cal down for a 3:10, it does look warm. Ian I put you down for a PR in your full, and Steve I'll adjust you back to 3:20. We haven't seen HermosaBoy in a while.
What is going on here??? It's definitely my target pace for the first half (32km), then we'll see where I am.
When I've wanted to add extra miles to a race I'll do about a 3km warm up and down, but never as much as 9 miles, and only for a 10km. 9 miles after racing all out is going to suck although slowing down as much as required would make it suck less I guess. When I did this for a 10km back in February I also changed back to my training shoes which exacerbated the suckage.
5km: 18:53 12/22 │ 10km: 40:49 2/22 │ HM: 1:27:32* 5/22 │ M: 3:35:02 10/22
*Net Downhill. Flat course PR: 1:29:25 6/16
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