Competitive Jerks Racing and Training - 2023 (Read 574 times)

JMac11


RIP Milkman

     

    NYC is world record eligible.  The start and finish are close enough.

     

    Source (click on the link for list of road races).

     

    Wow I thought I read it wasn't. It either changed (ie the 50 percent rule) or that article was wrong. But wow does it barely meet the definition - the distance between the stsrt and finish is 12.6 miles based on my rough measurement.

     

    Anyway I think the point is WR eligibility isn't what I what consider whether a course is fair or not for your own PR.

    5K: 16:37 (11/20)  |  10K: 34:49 (10/19)  |  HM: 1:14:57 (5/22)  |  FM: 2:36:31 (12/19) 

     

     

    wcrunner2


    Are we there, yet?

       

      Wow I thought I read it wasn't. It either changed (ie the 50 percent rule) or that article was wrong. But wow does it barely meet the definition - the distance between the stsrt and finish is 12.6 miles based on my rough measurement.

       

      Anyway I think the point is WR eligibility isn't what I what consider whether a course is fair or not for your own PR.

       

      I think the separation rule was changed from 30% to 50% a few years ago.  NYC would not have been eligible under the old rule.

       2024 Races:

            03/09 - Livingston Oval Ultra 6-Hour, 22.88 miles

            05/11 - D3 50K, 9:11:09
            06/17 - 6 Days in the Dome 12-Hour.

       

       

           

      Mikkey


      Mmmm Bop

         

        Wow I thought I read it wasn't. It either changed (ie the 50 percent rule) or that article was wrong. But wow does it barely meet the definition - the distance between the stsrt and finish is 12.6 miles based on my rough measurement.

         

        Anyway I think the point is WR eligibility isn't what I what consider whether a course is fair or not for your own PR.

         

        Yeah I always thought NYC wasn’t eligible, but I’d be proud to have a PR on that course!

        5k - 17:53 (4/19)   10k - 37:53 (11/18)   Half - 1:23:18 (4/19)   Full - 2:50:43 (4/19)

        Running Problem


        Problem Child

          Damn it!!  There goes my plan to run a World Record at Boston next year

           

          Legs are coming back around nicely.  Debating a 20 miler Sunday but 2 weeks out may be pushing it a bit.  Maybe I'll just channel my inner RP...15 or 20 what's the difference just go for it!!

           

          How about 27?

           

          https://www.bigsurmarathon.org/races/boston-2-big-sur/

          maybe this if you need to spend money.

          Many of us aren't sure what the hell point you are trying to make and no matter how we guess, it always seems to be something else. Which usually means a person is doing it on purpose.

          VDOT 53.37 

          5k18:xx | Marathon 2:55:22

          Marky_Mark_17


            Last week of this training block in the bag.  Some decent autumn weather Mon/Tues then it was back to humid windy garbage again.  Feels like I've been battling that sort of weather pretty much all month but I guess it'll make the change in temps feel even better.  Still undecided whether I'll race next Sat in the VF3's or the trusty Next% 2's.  The 3's seem a touch firmer... I like them but they do feel a little different and the 2's have been great for me so it's a line call.

             

            Weekly for period: From: 24/04/2023 To 30/04/2023

            <caption>Weekly Grid</caption>
            Date Name mi km Duration Avg/mi Avg/km Elevation Gain
            in m
            24/04 That run where the wind’s spun SW and all will soon be right with the world 5.12 8.23 00:37:07 07:15 04:31 51
            25/04 That run where single digit temps are my kind of temps 7.80 12.55 00:49:12 06:18 03:55 71
            26/04 That run where I guess it’s back to warm and windy 8.72 14.03 00:57:34 06:36 04:06 87
            27/04 That run where there was a lot of noise coming from the gym 9.09 14.62 00:56:23 06:12 03:51 77
            29/04 That run where the rails are gone for winter 8.09 13.02 00:48:26 05:59 03:43 89
            30/04 That run where uphill and upwind was an ironic way to end this particular training block 11.40 18.34 01:22:00 07:12 04:28 233

            Total distance: 80.79km (50.2 imperial fidget spinners)

            3,000m: 9:07.7 (Nov-21) | 5,000m: 15:39 (Dec-19) | 10,000m: 32:34 (Mar-20)  

            10km: 33:15 (Sep-19) | HM: 1:09:41 (May-21)* | FM: 2:41:41 (Oct-20)

            * Net downhill course

            Last race: Runway5 / National 5k Champs, 16:22, National Masters AG Champ!

            Up next: Still working on that...

            "CONSISTENCY IS KING"

            DavePNW


              Marky - I recommend the VF3, for science. Then you can tell us all how they compare to the VF2 under race conditions.

              Dave

              SteveChCh


              Hot Weather Complainer

                Mark - Good luck in your battle with Caden.  You may be racing for second, is there anyone else who might be a challenge?

                 

                me - Solid week as I start the build to Selwyn.  My quads were quite sore after Wednesday, all the way until Saturday and I considered swapping my weekend runs.  Glad I didn't because Saturday was good practice holding a pace on fatigued quads.

                 

                Weekly for period: From: 24/04/2023 To 30/04/2023

                <caption>Weekly Grid</caption>
                Date Name mi km Duration Avg/mi Avg/km Elevation Gain
                in m
                24/04 Warm up 0.31 0.51 00:02:57 09:31 05:47 0
                24/04 Easy med long 8.94 14.38 01:15:09 08:24 05:14 27
                26/04 Warm up 0.32 0.51 00:03:11 09:57 06:15 0
                26/04 HR Progression: 20 Z2, 20 Z3. 20 Z4, 20 Z2 10.32 16.60 01:20:05 07:46 04:49 12
                27/04 Warm up 0.33 0.53 00:03:13 09:45 06:04 0
                27/04 Easy Med Long 9.00 14.49 01:16:23 08:29 05:16 29
                28/04 Easy 30 with Mary 3.75 6.04 00:32:07 08:34 05:19 8
                29/04 Warm up 0.66 1.06 00:05:54 08:56 05:34 0
                29/04 Long incl. 60 mins steady (MP - 5-10 secs per km) 16.22 26.09 02:05:55 07:46 04:50 20
                29/04 Cool down 0.62 1.00 00:05:36 09:02 05:36 0
                30/04 Warm up 0.35 0.56 00:03:23 09:40 06:02 0
                30/04 Easy med long 8.95 14.40 01:15:18 08:25 05:14 29

                Total distance: 96.17km (59.77mi)

                5km: 18:34 11/23 │ 10km: 39:10 8/23 │ HM: 1:26:48 9/23 │ M: 3:34:49 6/23

                 

                2024 Races:

                Motorway Half Marathon February 25, 2024 1:29:55

                Christchurch Half-Marathon April 21, 2024 1:27:34

                Selwyn Marathon June 2, 2024

                Dunedin Half Marathon September 15, 2024

                Marky_Mark_17


                  Steve - if I'm silly enough to try and battle with Caden I'll probably end up a lot worse than second haha.  No other names I recognise on the confirmation list, but hard to know for sure until the start, you never know who might pick up a second-hand entry given its sold out.  Anyways nice job getting straight back into a decent week of training.

                  3,000m: 9:07.7 (Nov-21) | 5,000m: 15:39 (Dec-19) | 10,000m: 32:34 (Mar-20)  

                  10km: 33:15 (Sep-19) | HM: 1:09:41 (May-21)* | FM: 2:41:41 (Oct-20)

                  * Net downhill course

                  Last race: Runway5 / National 5k Champs, 16:22, National Masters AG Champ!

                  Up next: Still working on that...

                  "CONSISTENCY IS KING"

                    Mark looking forward to your race. Solid last week.

                     

                    I got sick last night and couldn't make my longrun this morning which was a bummer as my 2 running buddies came round to run from my place. Nausea, aches, and temperature at this stage.

                     

                    I got some Rebel 3s this week. They did seem barely there compared to the Nike tempo next % I use. Fast turnover but not as bouncy.

                     

                    Weekly for period: From: 04/24/2023 To 04/30/2023

                    <caption>Weekly Grid</caption>
                    Date Name mi km Duration Avg/mi Avg/km Elevation Gain
                    in ft
                    04/24 Morning Run 6.24 10.04 00:50:47 08:08 05:03 16
                    04/25 Anzac day with 6x800 7.47 12.02 00:54:33 07:18 04:32 7
                    04/26 Recovery 4.98 8.01 00:44:36 08:57 05:34 7
                    04/28 Morning Run 6km tempo 9.33 15.01 01:10:23 07:33 04:41 30
                    04/29 Recovery 4.98 8.01 00:44:34 08:57 05:34 49

                    Total distance: 32.99mi

                    55+ PBs 5k 18:36 June 3rd TT

                    " If you don't use it you lose it,  but if you use it, it wears out.

                    Somewhere in between is about right "      

                     

                      I think Calbears just posted over at the Waltons instead of here by mistake. Unless it wasn’t a mistake and he’s trying to merge the threads!

                      50+ age-group PBs:  Half Perish 1:24:24 (June '23 Road Race) - 10km 37:52 (2022 Local Road Champs) - Track 5km 18:49 (Aug '22) - Perish Run 3:17:42

                      2024 Goals: Boston Perish Run Sub 3:15 - Road/Track 10km Sub 37:30 - 5km Sub 18:20

                       

                       

                      flavio80


                      Not an 80%er

                        Jmac/RP - there's something I just thought about: People have different levels of tolerance to physical pain. I'm certainly on the wimpy side of the spectrum as I cannot tolerate any sort of pain without being a baby about it. Maybe RP just tolerates physical pain better.
                        It's similar to aerobic pain, that harsh feeling when you're out of breath at the tail end of a 5k. I thoroughly enjoy that but I've come to learn most people hate it.

                         

                        Piwi - Hope you get better quickly!

                         

                        me - Lots of running this week. Todays' long run almost turned to shit due to having to improvise and change course due to dogs off the leash.

                        This one neighbourhood was full of them. GOD DAMMIT!

                        Listen, I can tolerate warm weather, cold weather, wind, typhoons, snow, hail, ridiculous climbs or descents, whatever weather or terrain, but weirdly enough dogs off the leash get the poisons flowing in my blood.

                        Anyway, it was still a very productive day with 49 new streets on City Strides.

                        I'm now having to run in some communities known for high levels of crime. I'm not very concerned about crime at 7am, but I do keep an eye out for spotters. Thankfully it seems there are no gang wars here in Porto, so I believe so long as I pass there quickly (and early enough) nobody will notice or care.

                        Weekly for period: From: 04/24/2023 To 04/30/2023

                        <caption>Weekly Grid</caption>
                        Date Name mi km Duration Avg/mi Avg/km Elevation Gain
                        in ft
                        04/24 30'E 3.78 6.08 00:29:48 07:53 04:54 233
                        04/25 60'E w strides 7.82 12.58 01:00:01 07:40 04:46 400
                        04/26 75'E 9.27 14.92 01:15:00 08:05 05:02 692
                        04/27 55'E w strides 7.06 11.35 00:55:01 07:48 04:51 417
                        04/28 35'E 4.32 6.95 00:34:46 08:03 05:00 295
                        04/29 70'E 8.57 13.79 01:10:00 08:10 05:05 627
                        04/30 2h Long Run 14.53 23.38 02:00:00 08:16 05:08 1729

                        Total distance: 55.35mi

                        PRs: 1500 4:54.1 2019 - 5K 17:53 2023 - 10K 37:55 2023 - HM 1:21:59 2021

                        Up next: some 800m race (or time trials)

                        Tool to generate Strava weekly

                        DavePNW


                          Jmac/RP - there's something I just thought about: People have different levels of tolerance to physical pain. I'm certainly on the wimpy side of the spectrum as I cannot tolerate any sort of pain without being a baby about it. Maybe RP just tolerates physical pain better.
                          It's similar to aerobic pain, that harsh feeling when you're out of breath at the tail end of a 5k. I thoroughly enjoy that but I've come to learn most people hate it.

                           

                           

                          I listened to Ryan Hall give a talk a few years ago, and he described an elite runner as a “professional in pain management”—it was always a test of how much pain he could withstand for how long. Probably one of the (many) things they do better than us, and some non-elites do better than others.

                          Dave

                          CalBears


                            Ha-ha... Wrote this message below in a "wrong", Walton thread - maybe it is a sign of taking too much unnecessary supplements? Smile

                             

                            Here we go in the right thread Smile

                             

                            Good day to everybody here!

                             

                            Special congrats to Scott and Mike! The first one just confirmed he is a real deal and not a fluke Smile and Mike... - first sub 3 is always a very special one! Great job guys!

                             

                            Spent some time last couple of days reading some of the messages and was just flabbergasted with people still mentioning my name Smile Really appreciate that guys! And yes JMac, I am not training really, but I am still surprised that I am running that much - I was expecting to run much less, just from time to time, but seems like I am getting more and more back to it - last few months just showed me how great and kind the running was to me. I literally didn't have one health problem during 11 years when I was training pretty intensely. And that is in my late 40s and almost all the 50s. So, Yes, Mikkey,  the promise was to prepare for CIM really well and I hope to keep the promise. Right now, when I am not attached to running every day (though I start thinking about it - ha-ha), running gives me so much joy, it's not totally surprising, but still, quite revealing...

                             

                            I promised to JMac to write more about what I am at now, and I apologize to everyone who either doesn't know me or really doesn't care (totally understandable - I am not the sweetest person in the World - I am more like Mikkey - sweet in person, a little bit of prick when online Smile Anyway, apologies for showing up out of nowhere and writing about myself - so, please just skip further reading - it's probably more for myself than for somebody else - maybe I am just trying to analyze what is going on last few months Smile

                             

                            So, the last 6 months, right after London, I was off the hook with running - that happened after some events in my life, that caused me to think about what I am doing right or wrong in regards to my health. Don't go into details, but after some stuff that happened to me, something suddenly switched in my mind that put all the running into a back of things. Because running was mostly at the front before - every day, part of the day was about running today and running in next few days/weeks. But at that point, early last fall, few bigger words took priority. Health, longevity, lifespan, healthspan... I know, sounds stupid, when a guy few years from meeting his 60s, suddenly gets interested in those things Smile Ha-ha... But I guess we can't control what kind of things happen to us and that is what happen to me.

                             

                            And that was real. Real in a sense when I call it real, it takes all my attention. Last few months the only thing I did was watching youtube videos of really smart guys and reading books from mostly good guys/experts re health and aging.

                             

                            Here are a few new words I learned (and many of them started to apply to myself) during those months (please keep in mind, I am not a native speaker, so, some of these words you know well, but not me, because I am an ignorant prick Smile. I apologize ifI spell some of the words wrong Smile

                             

                            Anyway, here we go (in no particular order):

                             

                            - frailty, sarcopenia, autophagy, circadian rhythm, blue light, deep sleep, intermittent fasting, water fasting, calorie restriction, cold shower, sauna, muscle mass, bcaa, essential amino acids, mTOR, senescent cells, T-cells, intestinal mucus lining, akkermansia muciniphila, microbiome, probiotic, prebiotic, postbiotic, fiber, ibds, gut-mind connection, vegus nerve, NMN, insulin resistance, CGM, biological  vs chronological age, apoB, protein synthesis, soft vs hard plaques, visceral fat, muscles as a longevity factor, inflammation, earthing, SAD diet, cortisol, mortality risk factors, flavonoids, creatine, resveratrol, leaky gut, permeability, stem cells (procedures), etc... I am sure there is more, but that what I was reading and listening to last few months. It's amazing how much info is available for free - if you find a good/knowledgeable person/expert (and I am not talking about wanna-bees), it's amazing how much useful information you can get.

                             

                            So, last few months I was basically changing my diet, my sleep pattern, my attention to strength training and not only running. The thing is, for many of you it was probably normal to have few visits to a gym (home gym) in addition to running. My problem was that I ignored strength training completely. I mean - completely. I have never paid any attention to getting at lit a little bit buffed. 0 attention. I was always laughing when people were talking about strength training. To my surprise, I discovered that muscle mass is a direct correlation to mortality rate. Not that muscle mass as from body builders - the healthy muscle mass, the muscle mass that we all start to lose after we are in our 30s - people losing muscle, getting frail, fall, break hips and die within 2 years after breaking a hip - that kind of muscle mass Smile And VO2 Max is another indicator of your health state - the higher the better - so, running seems to stay for me forever Smile Ha-ha... Sorry, I am getting a little bit overboard again Smile.

                             

                            Anyway, that's what I was doing last few months - trying to find a balance between different type of exercise, sleep, nutrition and life style. Running was put in the back of the things, for no reasons, but I think it's getting back where it belongs. Running was so good to me, I am going to be a vivid fan of running, certainly not to a degree I was last 10 years, but not to a degree of running 10 miles per week Smile And I hope to give Mikkey a good battle at CIM. And hope Scott and JMAc can run CIM too.

                             

                            Again, apology for so much words about myself. But it was a struggle, honestly - I have to write it. And I do not think I wrote even part of it Smile And promise not to disappear, though I am not planning on pursuing a training plan for the next few months at least - just running...

                            paces PRs - 5K - 5:48  /  10K - 6:05  /  HM - 6:14  /  FM - 6:26 per mile

                            JMac11


                            RIP Milkman

                              I think my face did one of those cartoons with the eyes bulging out of your head expressions when I opened up RA and saw that the last post was by Calbears.

                               

                              Thank you for writing that! Very interesting stuff and something I've been trying to preach for a while on these threads that long distance running is not, in fact, a very healthy exercise. I feel like a lot of people do the "well it's better than being on the couch" which is certainly true, but we all just need to be honest with ourselves that we're doing it because we love it, not for the physical health benefits.

                               

                              Anyway - love the entire post and glad to hear you are back to running. Right now I am less than 50% to run CIM given my foot and ankle issues but I am trying my best to throw everything at getting it healthy (thank you Flavio for your PM on it). I would love to see you in person again and catch up.

                               

                              Please keep up with what you think is appropriate, especially for mental health reasons. It sounds like you are getting to a good balance in life and I hope that this newfound happiness stays.

                              5K: 16:37 (11/20)  |  10K: 34:49 (10/19)  |  HM: 1:14:57 (5/22)  |  FM: 2:36:31 (12/19) 

                               

                               

                              Mikkey


                              Mmmm Bop

                                Cal - Great to see you back and very pleased that you’re feeling positive but I will have to Google some of those words you posted though! I’ve always wondered how much strength training matters for amateur marathoners as some people do really well with none. When I joined my gym (must’ve been about 10 years ago) I got a special deal of £14.99 per month for life and it’s open 24/7…so I feel obliged to make an effort!  Looking forward to CIM and I’ve changed my flights again and flying back direct from San Francisco on the Wednesday afternoon and only spending 2 nights in Sacramento.

                                5k - 17:53 (4/19)   10k - 37:53 (11/18)   Half - 1:23:18 (4/19)   Full - 2:50:43 (4/19)