Sub 1:30 Half Marathon in 2018 (Read 704 times)

CommanderKeen


Cobra Commander Keen

    Hello, all! Quick check in for me - I've missed a bunch and likely won't be responding to much of it.


    A couple weeks ago my grandmother had a stroke and went into a coma, and I spent the next week with her, my grandfather, and other family until she passed last Tuesday. As tough as it was losing her, watching the effect on my grandfather was (and is) worse. Running did help - my daily routine basically became run > take DD1 to school > stay with family.


    Anywho, looking forward to taking a bit of a down week next week since his will be my 3rd 80+ mile week in a row. I have a HM weekend after next (the day before Brew gets a massive PR!), and I plan on cutting down overall mileage for that week and front-loading what miles I do get in order to get a mini-taper out of it.


    JMac - Thermal or windproof tights are your friend! It will hover in the teens/20's here as well, though you probably get more frozen precipitation than we do. Then again, you probably have more of an effort to get your roads clear than I do.


    Piwi - Thanks!


    Mick - I'm pretty much in the middle of the country - all of those storms missed me by many hundreds of miles. I typically only hit the treadmill in winter if the roads are frozen or otherwise hazardous (I only got it at the beginning of the year). Otherwise I just layer up and put on tights like a real man and get out there! lol.
    My marathon is after registration for Botswana 2019 will close, so a BQ in my goal race will (hopefully) get me in for 2020.

    5k: 17:58 11/22 │ 10k: 37:55 9/21 │ HM: 1:23:22 4/22 │ M: 2:56:05 12/22

     

    Upcoming Races:

     

    OKC Memorial 5k - April 27

    Bun Run 5k - May 4

     

    SteveChCh


    Hot Weather Complainer

      Piwi - My last long run which had some tempo shows 172spm on average.

       

      JMac -  I wear Asics Kayano or similar models.  Any recommendations?

       

      Keen - I'm sorry to hear that.  My Grandma also died yesterday so I'm up to Auckland this weekend.  Slightly different circumstances though, she's had no quality of life for a while and has already lost her husband and 3 sons.  It will be nice to see all the cousins and remember her before the horrible last few years.

      5km: 18:34 11/23 │ 10km: 39:10 8/23 │ HM: 1:26:48 9/23 │ M: 3:34:49 6/23

       

      2024 Races:

      Motorway Half Marathon February 25, 2024 1:29:55

      Christchurch Half-Marathon April 21, 2024 1:27:34

      Selwyn Marathon June 2, 2024

      Dunedin Half Marathon September 15, 2024

        Keen sorry to hear that. You are still killing the marathon miles !

         

        Steve 172 seems ok after reading up on cadence. Im at 176 for recovery up to 186 on tempo runs but i have short legs and a short choppy stride.

        55+ PBs 5k 18:36 June 3rd TT

        " If you don't use it you lose it,  but if you use it, it wears out.

        Somewhere in between is about right "      

         

          JMac I have Brooks Ghost 10...I have been using them as my daily trainer and have ran my last 3 HM in them.

          I also have a pair of New Balance Zante I have used for 5k and 8k races as well as some speedwork.  I also want to try and use them for my next HM planned at the end of Oct.

          Keen / Steve  sorry for your loss

          PR's

          1m  5:38 (2018)

          5k    19:59 (2019)

          HM  1:33:56 (2018)

          FM  3:23:07 (2018)

          JMac11


          RIP Milkman

            Keen/Steve - sorry for your loss. Running has helped me through times like that but can be hard juggling with familial responsibilities. Also some family members don't understand how you can "go for a run in times like this."

             

            Keen - You've still put up some good work. If you get that HM under 1:25, you need to go for Sub 3, your training has been great! Also the only time I won't run in the winter is if the roads aren't clear. I actually think the worst conditions to run in are what they ran in Boston last year. Much rather run in 25 and snowing than 35 and raining.

             

            Me - Weather is still looking great for my 10 miler, especially for this time of year. Temps around 59/15 during the race, low humidity, and sunny. My legs felt like trash during my 8E + 4x2T yesterday, most likely from the 22 on Sunday, so I may have some lingering effects going into the race. My hamstring is also still acting up and really didn't feel too great during the last 2T. The past 2 weeks it's been sort of in the knee tendons, but now it's actually in the muscle. I know I should have the fitness to go sub 60 but let's see how the legs respond in multiple ways! A goal is 59:, just because sub 1 hour is a cool barrier to break, but I'll be happy with anything in the 60: range. Unless my hamstring gives out, I should PR at the 10 mile distance, so ya'll will have to suffer through a race report 

            5K: 16:37 (11/20)  |  10K: 34:49 (10/19)  |  HM: 1:14:57 (5/22)  |  FM: 2:36:31 (12/19) 

             

             

            CommanderKeen


            Cobra Commander Keen

              Steve - So sorry to hear about your grandmother as well.


              JMac - I look forward to reading a PR RR. I do agree with you on your assessment of those two running conditions.
              I doubt sub-85 is going to happen at this half since the middle 7 miles is pretty hilly, plus there's a pretty steep hill towards the end of mile 12. I am anxious to see what I can do in this race, since I'm really not sure where I'm at. This likely due to weird thoughts occasionally creeping in to the tune of "what if I can't run what people have said? All this work and early mornings will have been pointless". Really trying to keep those thoughts at bay.


              Temp was 45F/7.2C this morning, the coldest since at least mid-April. Ran through some fog on the track, too. I did 3x 2T and my HR never got towards my tempo zone, pretty much exclusively staying in what I would expect at M effort.

              I don't want to do it, but I may end up doing easy runs on the treadmill in the garage in order to preserve a bit of heat acclimation for later in the season - with all the doors closed it gets pretty warm pretty quickly in there, even if temps are sub-freezing.

              5k: 17:58 11/22 │ 10k: 37:55 9/21 │ HM: 1:23:22 4/22 │ M: 2:56:05 12/22

               

              Upcoming Races:

               

              OKC Memorial 5k - April 27

              Bun Run 5k - May 4

               

              Running Problem


              Problem Child

                I am anxious to see what I can do in this race, since I'm really not sure where I'm at. This likely due to weird thoughts occasionally creeping in to the tune of "what if I can't run what people have said? All this work and early mornings will have been pointless". Really trying to keep those thoughts at bay.

                 

                Keep them at bay OR remind yourself the people predicting your times don't matter at the end of the day because we're here to get better not to judge, or set expectations. It's about your training. Also remember some times training days aren't that great while others are a rockstar performance. Just because a spreadsheet or book says one thing doesn't make it possible, impossible, required, or unnecessary. The books don't factor in race day conditions, or how much beer we had the week before.

                Many of us aren't sure what the hell point you are trying to make and no matter how we guess, it always seems to be something else. Which usually means a person is doing it on purpose.

                VDOT 53.37 

                5k18:xx | Marathon 2:55:22

                CommanderKeen


                Cobra Commander Keen

                  Keep them at bay OR remind yourself the people predicting your times don't matter at the end of the day because we're here to get better not to judge, or set expectations. It's about your training. Also remember some times training days aren't that great while others are a rockstar performance. Just because a spreadsheet or book says one thing doesn't make it possible, impossible, required, or unnecessary. The books don't factor in race day conditions, or how much beer we had the week before.

                   

                  Good perspective all the way around. Thanks. I think I have a rough idea of where I'll be for the half (weather permitting), and will adapt that for the profile differences in different parts of the course and see what that leads to.

                  Taper going ok so far?

                   

                   

                  In other news, I just saw that today's run puts me 12.04 miles past my mileage total for last year. Each run now results in a new yearly mileage PR!

                  2,257.60 mi / 3,633.25 km so far. This comes directly from Garmin Connect, somehow Strava, et. al are missing some of my miles.

                  5k: 17:58 11/22 │ 10k: 37:55 9/21 │ HM: 1:23:22 4/22 │ M: 2:56:05 12/22

                   

                  Upcoming Races:

                   

                  OKC Memorial 5k - April 27

                  Bun Run 5k - May 4

                   

                    Keen/Steve: sorry for your loss....sad to hear that.

                     

                    Keen: I am looking at potentially getting a treadmill because its either that or getting up super duper early like you and Mark. and I am NOT a morning person Smile now that its dark: do you run with a head lamp?

                     

                    Cfarr: I own a pair of ghost 10s as well. I am at the 500k mark and they still feel pretty fresh. Cool pair of shoes I must say.

                    HM: 1:47 (9/20) I FM: 3:53:11 (9/23)

                     

                    2024 Goals: run a FM & HM + stay healthy!

                    Marky_Mark_17


                      Keen and Steve - condolences to both of you.

                       

                      Steve - I had a similar situation with both of my grandmothers... they both outlived their husbands by 10+ years and both ended up with dementia as well and had pretty poor quality of life by the end.  Tough to see that happen to someone.

                       

                      Keen - one thing I've found is that I seem to often run better when I'm not stressed before a race. It's hard to do, for sure, but in Dunedin on the start line I was just looking forward to the race and having some fun.

                       

                      Me - OK this stomach bug is definitely slowly improving but it's gonna be touch and go for this weekend... I'm glad I didn't have Sunday's race as a goal race!  I haven't had food poisoning since having campylobacter in 2005 (that was an interesting time... they took my appendix out by accident).

                      3,000m: 9:07.7 (Nov-21) | 5,000m: 15:39 (Dec-19) | 10,000m: 32:34 (Mar-20)  

                      10km: 33:15 (Sep-19) | HM: 1:09:41 (May-21)* | FM: 2:41:41 (Oct-20)

                      * Net downhill course

                      Last race: Waterfront HM, 7 Apr, 1:15:48

                      Up next: Runway5, 4 May

                      "CONSISTENCY IS KING"

                      SteveChCh


                      Hot Weather Complainer

                        Thanks guys.

                         

                        JMac - Completely with you on "how can you go for a run at a time like this?"  For me, it's how can I not go for a run, that will just make me feel worse.

                        5km: 18:34 11/23 │ 10km: 39:10 8/23 │ HM: 1:26:48 9/23 │ M: 3:34:49 6/23

                         

                        2024 Races:

                        Motorway Half Marathon February 25, 2024 1:29:55

                        Christchurch Half-Marathon April 21, 2024 1:27:34

                        Selwyn Marathon June 2, 2024

                        Dunedin Half Marathon September 15, 2024

                        JMac11


                        RIP Milkman

                          Keen - I hear you on the pressure and Brew is 100% correct. I'm not trying to pressure you into running sub 3 and feeling like a failure if you're not, all I'm saying is don't set your goals too low. Put another away, don't run your race so that you have a 0% shot of going sub 3, because I think it's in the cards. I view your sub 3 as my sub 2:50. Is it a lock? Hell no. We both need to hit our interim races (my 10 mile and your half) AND have a great race day in terms of weather and how we feel. Is the probability around 50/50? Probably. So I should at least give myself a fighting chance to go sub 2:50. I think you need to do the same and not just say "let me secure a sub 3:05 and be happy with that" because if you go out at that pace and hammer the last 2 miles and come home at 3:01, you're going to kick yourself after the race. We'll discuss all this more after we see how you do in the half. Also, regarding your tempo run, that makes total sense that you didn't hit your HR. I imagine you're actually in better shape than you think in great conditions and true T pace is around 6:15 or so.

                           

                           

                          5K: 16:37 (11/20)  |  10K: 34:49 (10/19)  |  HM: 1:14:57 (5/22)  |  FM: 2:36:31 (12/19) 

                           

                           

                          CommanderKeen


                          Cobra Commander Keen

                            Mick - I do run with a headlamp - sort of. I'm in a very rural area with little traffic. Aside from one ~1k uphill (which puts me past a neighborhood) I can usually run without seeing any vehicles. I actually really enjoy running in the dark, so even though I have a headlamp I don't typically turn it on (except for the rear red flashers, which I always use) unless I see a vehicle coming or if I'm hitting a dirt road that might be rutted due to traffic after a rain.
                            And I wasn't always a morning person. When I was just started running I found that if I didn't run in the morning life would just get in the way and I'd never run.

                             

                            Steve - "How could I not run?" would have been my response as well, but thankfully no one ever put the question to me.


                            JMac - I don't think you're putting any pressure on me at all. And in general I don't feel any pressure when I'm actually toeing the line, I've always been very calm in competitive situations. It's just that sometimes those baseless thoughts jump into my head.
                            I'm pretty certain it's primarily the low temp that kept my HR down, especially considering it's right after a whole summer of heat. Likely with accumulated fatigue affecting it as well. That last bit will go away just with a bit of rest, though.
                            I'll certainly revist the whole GMP thing after the half next weekend. My next M pace workout is a LR (15x M pace) 3 weeks after the half, 4 weeks from the full. I have lots of time to decide, obviously, but I'm considering running it at GMP (whatever that is) rather than "M" pace by the plan - which given that it's after the 2nd VDOT bump is actually faster than my current HM PR pace.


                            Botswana cut-off times for 2020 will be 5 minutes faster for all groups than they are now! 

                            5k: 17:58 11/22 │ 10k: 37:55 9/21 │ HM: 1:23:22 4/22 │ M: 2:56:05 12/22

                             

                            Upcoming Races:

                             

                            OKC Memorial 5k - April 27

                            Bun Run 5k - May 4

                             

                            JMac11


                            RIP Milkman

                              Keen - I have never run by JD's M pace. I run my true MP, which is always about 10 seconds slower than he says. I want to train my body to run at that level, not at a pace MP-10 because it'll just set me up for disaster on race day when I can't slow down that 10 seconds.

                              5K: 16:37 (11/20)  |  10K: 34:49 (10/19)  |  HM: 1:14:57 (5/22)  |  FM: 2:36:31 (12/19) 

                               

                               

                              flavio80


                              Intl. correspondent

                                Keen - you seem to have a case of sandbaggeritis haha, just kidding. This is going to be tough race with many hills so you'll have to go by effort, just like you did in the past. You'll be fine regardless of the results. Also, results from a hilly half are not useful for estimating pace for a flat(ter) marathon. Also marathons are wild beasts, you can never know what's going to happen on race day.

                                 

                                me - I gave a shot at my local segment crown today, but failed miserably. The current segment King has run the roughly 370m in 1 minute sharp. I'm showing up in second place with a time of also 1 minute. This has been bothering me since last year, but I keep gaining weight. Anyway I gave it a shot and came up short at 1:06. I'll keep trying.

                                On other news, I found out about another Strava segment this week which is 1.8km downhill (roughly 1.1 mile). It's a sharp downhill though and there's a side road with traffic that I'd have to negotiate (drivers don't care about pedestrians when turning right here). Anyway, the King, or actually the Queen of that segment has run 7:48, it seems primed for the taking, though it will require a lot of concentration on the downhill.

                                PRs: 1500 4:54.1 2019 - 5K 17:53 2023 - 10K 37:55 2023 - HM 1:21:59 2021

                                Up next: some 800m race (or time trials) / Also place in the top 20% in a trail race

                                Tool to generate Strava weekly