Sub 1:30 Half Marathon in 2018 (Read 704 times)

Marky_Mark_17


    Keen -  really nice week and I've been enjoying your captions on Strava again!!  I'm lucky to have a bit of pace but your week last week was bigger than my biggest week of all time (~60 miles).  I discovered post-marathon that I just can't really hack that sort of mileage (and that was after a pretty gradual build-up too).

     

    Piwi - that's some quality photoshop right there.  I am still too technologically illiterate to even understand how to put photos on my posts on this site.

     

    Steve - yeah I'm with you... Lorde has done well but I've no desire to go to her concert.  My wife was buying Celine DIon tickets a few weeks ago actually, the conversation went like this:

    Wife: "My family is all keen to go to Celine Dion, do you want to come too?"

    Me: "No"

    Wife: "My sister's fiance is coming"

    Me: "Good for him"

    I didn't even play the 'someone needs to babysit our 1 year old' card which is my usual easy out in those situations.  Needless to say I didn't ask her if she was keen to come to see Machine Head in a few months time.

     

    Enric - nice RR and sounds like a fun event.  Not too many Ekiden events over here although I think there is one in Rotorua towards the end of the year.

    3,000m: 9:07.7 (Nov-21) | 5,000m: 15:39 (Dec-19) | 10,000m: 32:34 (Mar-20)  

    10km: 33:15 (Sep-19) | HM: 1:09:41 (May-21)* | FM: 2:41:41 (Oct-20)

    * Net downhill course

    Last race: Waterfront HM, 7 Apr, 1:15:48

    Up next: Runway5, 4 May

    "CONSISTENCY IS KING"

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      55+ PBs 5k 18:36 June 3rd TT

      " If you don't use it you lose it,  but if you use it, it wears out.

      Somewhere in between is about right "      

       

      runethechamp


        Oakland Marathon RR (aka The world's longest marathon)

         

        Before this race everything seemed to be in place for a good time: flat course, great running weather, easy to get to from my house, and I was planning on running the race with a good friend of mine. He's faster than me by a good margin, but his stated goal was to run 3:25 (which for him is 5 minutes under BQ), so we agreed to help pace each other as far as we could. My wife, bless her soul, got up at 5:20 to drive us to the start (she just returned home and went to bed again afterwards), so we didn't have to deal with parking or any of that stuff either. After some quick reconnaissance of the area, a couple of portapotty breaks (I somehow felt things weren't moving quite as smooth as usual on a race morning), a very short warmup, and dropping off our sweats we were ready to go when the starting gun went off at 7.

         

        The first half of the race was pretty uneventful. Our goal translated to 7:49 pace, and to account for courses always measuring a little bit long we agreed 7:45 was a pretty good goal to shoot for. Based on my last training runs I felt comfortable trying to hit anything between 7:40 and 7:45 for each mile. My HR was a few beats high to start but I expected that since it was cool at the start (43F) and the "warmup" was pretty short. And after 5-6 miles it was right where I wanted it to be. I chatted with my  buddy here and there and mentioned to him that I really felt like the effort was right where it should be. After 11 miles we were pretty much right on target with a 7:42 average pace up until then. We both noticed that the mile marker for mile 11 was way late but blew it off since the marker for mile 6 had been 0.15 miles early so we figured the people setting the markers were not among the sharpest knives in the drawer.

         

        But then I realized my fears form earlier were right, I had to go to the bathroom to poop . I was pretty sure there would be a portapotty at an upcoming turnaround, and i was right. I told my buddy to keep going and went to town. Earlier claims of a 1:15 turnaround time were a bit optimistic, looking very closely at my Garmin data it was more like 1:30, but I got going again and felt a lot better. I logged an 8:59 mile, so I lost just about 1:15 on the break though. But I kept noticing that the mile markers were still off and wasn't sure what was going on. Then I noticed a pace group maybe 30 seconds to a minute ahead of me, and since there was no pace group for 3:25, this must have been the 3:30 group. I started doing some mental math and got more and more confused. 11 seconds per mile pace difference, plus me running maybe 3 seconds per mile faster, 14 seconds per mile, 11 miles, 154 seconds, that's two and a half minutes. And I lost only half that time on my break, yet they were ahead of me?? It turns out the mistake on the course, which added something close to half a mile, happened somewhere during mile 10, and probably caused that group to speed up a lot. For those who tracked me, the timing mats that were supposed to be at 12.5 were basically at mile 13.

         

        Either way, I told myself to not stress, to not push the pace too hard to catch up, and just work myself slowly back to this group. It took a seemingly long time, probably because they had to push the pace themselves to keep up with the mile markers, but at mile 15 I was with the pace group. Then I'm thinking to myself, 11 miles left, I need 5 minutes on this group to get to 3:25, which means 30 seconds per mile faster than this group. And I knew from catching up with them that I was not going that much faster than them. Still confused I decided to slowly pull away, and did just that. Everything still felt under control, but the 3 miles right around here (15-17) might have been what doomed me later on as they went by at 7:32 pace.

         

        I was working a little bit harder at miles 18 and 19 but still felt under control. In Paris 2 years ago I started slowing down a little bit right around this point, and I knew I felt a lot better than back then. At a short out and back section, I saw my running buddy about 2 minutes ahead of me, and as long as he was keeping his pace up I figured I was doing ok. I slowed down by about 10 seconds on mile 20, but it had what seemed like a long slightly uphill section, and just a little bit of headwind, so I justified it internally. The truth was that I started working really hard here, but I told myself to keep pushing. Mile 21 was 7:43, so I took that as a sign I was still not done. Then I was at 7:52 for mile 22, and tried to pick it up again for mile 23, but just couldn't, and ended up at 7:55.

         

        And I realized I just needed to hold on for 3 more miles. It was slow and painful, but now I was at least running at a part of the course that we had looped through earlier, so I knew what I was up against. And as my average pace went past 7:45 on my watch I realized 3:25 probably was gone. And then somewhere around mile 25 the 3:30 pacer flies past me, and I'm thinking what an ass he is, he left his group and is coming in way ahead of schedule (but now I see he probably crossed the line right at 3:30). I had ignored the mile markers up until now but I was coming to the realization that this course was going to be long, I just didn't know by how much. And right when my watch beeped for mile 26, somebody yelled, "just half a mile left". I look at my watch, 3:25, and I'm thinking I can still salvage sub 3:30. My legs were dead and I had to really fight to keep going, I didn't look at my watch, and finally I could see the finish line. But I also saw 3:31 something on the official clock and didn't understand anything until I crossed the line, stopped my watch, and realized it said 26.8 miles . Final time was 3:31:37.

         

        I'm still grumpy about the long course, but just happy that this wasn't a race where I was targeting a BQ. I now have a much better understanding of how frustrated people can be when a race course is botched like this. Ironically, this marathon changed the course from a really hilly one to the flat one this year to be more attractive to people trying to qualify for Boston, but instead they  ended up making it a slower course.

        5k: 20:32 (1/17)  |  HM: 1:34:37 (2/18)  |  FM: 3:31:37 (3/18)

         

        Getting back into it

        Marky_Mark_17


          Cheers Piwi - testing it works... here's some pics from the Coatesville RAce!

          3,000m: 9:07.7 (Nov-21) | 5,000m: 15:39 (Dec-19) | 10,000m: 32:34 (Mar-20)  

          10km: 33:15 (Sep-19) | HM: 1:09:41 (May-21)* | FM: 2:41:41 (Oct-20)

          * Net downhill course

          Last race: Waterfront HM, 7 Apr, 1:15:48

          Up next: Runway5, 4 May

          "CONSISTENCY IS KING"

            Rune thanks for the RR - I really enjoyed it. I find it hard to believe that with todays technology they could still f $ck up the measurements by that much. Incredible at such a large event. 25 years ago one would have just wondered if it was a bad day. But nowadays with everyone having a gps device it jus completely throws off people. I would have been exactly the same. And the paced groups? Thats a nightmare. But your pit stop was phenomenal!

             

            Mark: great pictures especially the last one thats an epic finish photo! But the victory V is really Celine Dion style if you admit it or not. Lorde would have headbanged and put up the horns instead...maybe you can still join your dw, her sis and the gaga fiancé for the concert!!!

            HM: 1:47 (9/20) I FM: 3:53:11 (9/23)

             

            2024 Goals: run a FM & HM + stay healthy!

            jaimegu


              hi, guys,

              A quick one since I'm on the road.

              Rune: good job in your race... Nice RR. And I would be mad writing to the RD.  Fuck, we pay for that to be accurate.

              Mark: Nice pictures you were supposed to be dying but you look relaxed

               

               

              Me:

              Weekly Summary
              Monday, Mar 19, 2018 thru Sunday, Mar 25, 2018

              <tfoot> </tfoot>
              Day Miles Pace Description Link
              Mon 6.7 7:25 11k Run 5@4:40+6@4:22 strava
              Tue 7.6 7:20 12k Run strava
              Wed 13.7 7:11 Mid Long. Time is never ever standing still, except on Never Ending Hill strava
              Thu 3.3 24:12 Foot strava
              Fri 6.6 8:10 A short one with Georges strava
              Sat 21.4 8:27 Long run, short climbs with Luc and Philippe strava
                59.3 8:45    
              flavio80


              Intl. correspondent

                Rune - nice job dumping the unnecessary cargo. How come people trust the mile markers, they must be perfectly placed in US races, I don't trust the local mile marker placers with holding a plastic water cup without botching it.

                Mark - I agree anything other than a straight ahead on the last 500m is a headache.

                That conversation with the wife bhahahahaa. I’ve been on that same situation way too often.

                Also that guy just ahead of you on the first picture gives me hope, same build just running way faster.

                Keen - That’s a big week running in the farm!

                Steve - you are one speedy beast!

                Enric - great race report, but now you’ve ruined Gaga for me haha

                Piwi - ever find some clever workarounds in the wiring? Like someone wanted to cut corners and stuff?

                MJ - longer than 20 minutes you say? who are we kidding 

                PRs: 1500 4:54.1 2019 - 5K 17:53 2023 - 10K 37:55 2023 - HM 1:21:59 2021

                Up next: some 800m race (or time trials) / Also place in the top 20% in a trail race

                Tool to generate Strava weekly

                JMac11


                RIP Milkman

                  You disappear for 5 days on this thread and you're 30 posts behind! With all this racing going on, I cannot wait to get out there next weekend for my 10K. Normal training upcoming for me this week though.

                   

                  Flavio - A few things. First, there are times I find running in CP boring, but there are some nights where it's amazing. There are some parts of the park that are pretty deserted, and you get this amazing view of midtown Manhattan all lit up to yourself while you're running. It's crazy to think you're in one of the densest places in the world, yet here you are by yourself running in a park. Also, the people (girl?) watching can be quite enjoyable.

                   

                  Second, USA Track and Field is very strict with their certified courses, so it should make it easy for people to put markers down! Here's the link for the NYC Half, take a look at the description for where all the markers should go. https://www.usatf.org/events/courses/maps/showMap.asp?courseID=NY18001DK

                   

                  Third, amazing job on the race. You do such a great job with RR's too, always enjoy reading them. Hopefully you can get another race in soon and in cooler temps, I think a PR is in the books with all the training you've done.

                   

                  James - Good pickup in mileage with the knee

                   

                  Piwi - I think you just need a 12-16 mile run every other week and your endurance will pick up significantly. I don't think it's your overall mileage.

                   

                  Rune - That is awful on both the distance and bathroom front. I'm amazed I've never had to use the bathroom during a race given I never run in the morning and when I do, about 20% of the time I have to find a bathroom. I think you can say you ran sub 3:30!

                   

                  Keen - Great running, you're the mileage king of the thread. I've never done 2x3 miles before, that sounds horrible.

                  5K: 16:37 (11/20)  |  10K: 34:49 (10/19)  |  HM: 1:14:57 (5/22)  |  FM: 2:36:31 (12/19) 

                   

                   

                  runethechamp


                    JMac - Thanks for the link on how accurate mile markers are supposed to be set! People were complaining about the mile markers at the half marathon here as well, and within 2 miles they went from being a quarter mile early to a quarter mile late. If you really have a certified course there is no way that should be allowed to happen.

                     

                    Mark - Great pictures!

                     

                    Jaime, CK - Nice mileage!

                     

                    Thanks for the kudos all. I feel like this was a pretty well executed race, but I still have lots of questions regarding how this could have ended with no bathroom break and all the confusion on the course, but I'm trying really hard to let that go. Just starting to aim for my next goal. My splits were 1:44:25/1:47:12 (as determined by my Garmin), with the split time taken exactly at 13.4 miles. That's about a 2:45 positive split, but doesn't take into account my bathroom break towards the end of the first half. So we're really talking somewhere around a 4 minute positive split. So it's a good improvement over my first marathon where I did an 8 minute positive split. And those 4 minutes mostly come from the last 3.8 miles (which should have been 3.2-3.4), where I lost about a minute per mile. And regarding the intermediate splits reported by the race at what was supposed to be 12.5 and 18.1 miles, those were both about half a mile later.

                     

                    My legs were really sore yesterday, today it's mostly good, but my left hamstring and glute are both really tight. Hoping it will loosen up enough in a couple more days so I can get in a short, easy run with our dog.

                    5k: 20:32 (1/17)  |  HM: 1:34:37 (2/18)  |  FM: 3:31:37 (3/18)

                     

                    Getting back into it

                    Marky_Mark_17


                      Rune - great RR and well done again on what was probably a pretty frustrating day.  It is a great benchmark for you training-wise and will give you a good platform for your next marathon.

                       

                      Mick - haha actually I was doing a 2 for 2nd place!  But yeah now I think of it the metal horns would've been a better option.  I hope that Ronnie Dio and the gods of metal will accept my apology.

                       

                      Jaime - nice week, you have really been getting the mileage in.  I felt surprisingly good at the finish and was really pumped for the PB!

                       

                      JMac - looking forward to seeing how your 10k goes.  I ran in Central Park once about 10 years ago and my brother got us lost (he was attempting to navigate with an early iPhone and failed miserably despite my suggestions that we were going in the wrong direction!).  Actually just having a spot to run where you can avoid traffic lights is half the battle a lot of the time!

                       

                      Flavio - I did go to Justin Timberlake with the wife probably 10 or 11 years ago.  He is actually quite talented, to be fair, but that is the first and last pop concert I've been to haha.

                      3,000m: 9:07.7 (Nov-21) | 5,000m: 15:39 (Dec-19) | 10,000m: 32:34 (Mar-20)  

                      10km: 33:15 (Sep-19) | HM: 1:09:41 (May-21)* | FM: 2:41:41 (Oct-20)

                      * Net downhill course

                      Last race: Waterfront HM, 7 Apr, 1:15:48

                      Up next: Runway5, 4 May

                      "CONSISTENCY IS KING"

                      Arvind Balaraman


                        My training last week

                         

                        Sport <button>Date </button> <button>Title </button> <button>Time </button> <button>Distance </button> <button>Elevation </button> Suffer Score  
                                       
                                       
                                       
                        Race Sun, 3/25/2018 Mike to mike half - 1:45 pacer 1:43:12 13.03 <abbr>mi</abbr> 509 <abbr>ft</abbr>    
                        Run Sat, 3/24/2018 Easy 6 52:49 6.30 <abbr>mi</abbr> 210 <abbr>ft</abbr>    
                        Run Fri, 3/23/2018 Easy 4 33:52 4.02 <abbr>mi</abbr> - <abbr>ft</abbr>    
                        Crossfit Fri, 3/23/2018 Foam rolling 14:25 0.36 <abbr>mi</abbr> 7 <abbr>ft</abbr>    
                        Run Thu, 3/22/2018 Testing pace 48:33 6.00 <abbr>mi</abbr> 174 <abbr>ft</abbr>    
                        Workout Thu, 3/22/2018 Spinning Class 45:00 10.30 <abbr>mi</abbr> - <abbr>ft</abbr>    
                        Run Wed, 3/21/2018 10 on the mill 1:24:43 10.00 <abbr>mi</abbr> - <abbr>ft</abbr>    
                        Crossfit Wed, 3/21/2018 Foam Rolling and Mobility 30:00 0 <abbr>mi</abbr> - <abbr>ft</abbr>    
                        Workout Tue, 3/20/2018 Nasty hill repeats 1:03:03 7.11 <abbr>mi</abbr> 1,066 <abbr>ft</abbr>    
                        Crossfit Tue, 3/20/2018 Core workout 29:02 1.54 <abbr>mi</abbr> - <abbr>ft</abbr>    
                        Workout Tue, 3/20/2018 Foam rolling 14:02 0.45 <abbr>mi</abbr> 10 <abbr>ft</abbr>    
                        Run Mon, 3/19/2018 Easy Run part 2 16:09 2.08 <abbr>mi</abbr> 79 <abbr>ft</abbr>    
                        Run Mon, 3/19/2018 Easy Run part 1 18:06 2.23 <abbr>mi</abbr> 82 <abbr>ft</abbr>    
                        Crossfit Mon, 3/19/2018 Bootcamp 35:01 1.73 <abbr>mi</abbr> - <abbr>ft</abbr>    

                          Oh no Mark knows how to post pics theres no stopping him now 

                           

                          Mark great photos you look so dam fresh ! My wife teases me that all my running photos Im pulling the hang loose sign like surfies do.

                           

                          Jmac you are right I need that longer run then I will be fine. Im shocked and disappointed that you look at " the ladies " while running 

                           

                          Arvind you are a man of few words!

                           

                          Flavio do you mean like bad wiring ? Then yes Ive seen it all.

                           

                          Jaime wow nearly 60 miles nice job bro.

                           

                          Rune really good race report. I think both my marathons were 42.7 kms so about 500m over but thats probably about right. Bummer ( excuse the pun ) about the toilet break. I struggle on morning training runs with a 2nd trip after about 15 mins running. Never gets me in a race though. Remember the marathon is very tough on your legs so go easy for a few weeks !

                           

                          I arrogantly did a short tempo this morning in the dark and without looking at my watch. I went with an easy/hardish effort and ended up about 10 secs/km slower than ideal. Its going to take a few weeks with a long run to get that sharpness back !

                          55+ PBs 5k 18:36 June 3rd TT

                          " If you don't use it you lose it,  but if you use it, it wears out.

                          Somewhere in between is about right "      

                           

                          SteveChCh


                          Hot Weather Complainer

                             

                            Steve - you are one speedy beast!

                             

                             

                            Thanks, I've been a bit shocked with the numbers I've been getting recently.  Do you think it translates to a sub 90 in 11 days?  My main worry is the volume is a little down but my long runs are up around HM distance.  I think if I get a good weather day and have a good day I can sub 90, but it won't be by much.

                             

                            Mark - Cool pictures, and they increase my chances of cheering for the right person next week!

                            5km: 18:34 11/23 │ 10km: 39:10 8/23 │ HM: 1:26:48 9/23 │ M: 3:34:49 6/23

                             

                            2024 Races:

                            Motorway Half Marathon February 25, 2024 1:29:55

                            Christchurch Half-Marathon April 21, 2024 1:27:34

                            Selwyn Marathon June 2, 2024

                            Dunedin Half Marathon September 15, 2024

                              Steve a favourite predictor workout for a half is a 10k tempo run at half race pace. It is more accurate if you have been running 50 + mpw for a while. If you have been running less then you could be more conservative with the result of this tempo and expect to run that pace for about 15kms with some slow down after that. Give it a crack.

                              55+ PBs 5k 18:36 June 3rd TT

                              " If you don't use it you lose it,  but if you use it, it wears out.

                              Somewhere in between is about right "      

                               

                              SteveChCh


                              Hot Weather Complainer

                                Thanks piwi - my plan for tonight is 60 mins with 2x20 mins tempo pace with a 2 minute rest.  My coach has that rest in there to reduce chances of lower leg injuries that I'm prone to.  I'm only at about 50km/week so I suspect things will get tough in the last 5km of the race.

                                5km: 18:34 11/23 │ 10km: 39:10 8/23 │ HM: 1:26:48 9/23 │ M: 3:34:49 6/23

                                 

                                2024 Races:

                                Motorway Half Marathon February 25, 2024 1:29:55

                                Christchurch Half-Marathon April 21, 2024 1:27:34

                                Selwyn Marathon June 2, 2024

                                Dunedin Half Marathon September 15, 2024