2018 3:20 (and beyond) (Read 582 times)

Dad, Keen - I've thought about 24 weeks being a long time, but I don't think it's 24 weeks of hard core workouts.  Even in the 15-week program I'm on now there's some sort of base building going on in the beginning so I expect the 24 week program to be similar that way. Either way I know I would mix things up here and there through the spring/summer with some races here and there just for fun. I'll see how I feel about the JD programs at the end of March I guess.

 

but for the last two nights she has slept for 4+ hours at a stretch and I just can't seem to get up in the morning.

I hate you. NeRP just hit his first 4 hour sleep last night. He's FINALLY getting 15+ hours. Previously it was 12. I think the schedule helped.

I feel the same way about waking up to workout. Last week, no problem. A couple days ago. Sure. Today. 4:00am was WAY too early. I might switch workouts to after work and FORCE myself to do them M/W/F. Breakout the basketball shorts and UA performance enhancing underwear.

rune I'm sure there is a base building period. To me that doesn't REALLY count other than it's telling you how much to run and when. You could just set a goal of 40-50 mpw building up to the training cycle. I'm currently trying to keep 40 MPW the minimum.

Keen What's the Daniels plan look like? I think I looked into it once but totally forgot the workouts. Doesn't he do runs based on time instead of distance (i.e. 7 minutes at T effort, 5x3 minutes at 5k, etc.)? I think max knows a lot about Daniel's training methodology. He probably knew him. It wouldn't surprise me if he MET him at some point (he has bumped into a few elites).

dad thanks for the outline. Pretty much confirms what I thought it was saying.

Today isn't going to be fun. It's trails with hills. I have a feeling they'll want to go fast. The upside is the weather is nice. If I was following the Hanson plan correctly it would be a rest day but the 5k plan says easy for the next two then some hill repeats.

I need to figure out a long run distance for Saturday and/or Sunday. I should probably go to one of the local store runs and do whatever they have available. I use to enjoy those.

Interesting to see the different heart rates. I used one years ago, but never paid much attention to the data so bailed on it. Then about year ago I got a new Garmin that came with the chest strap and have been using it pretty regularly. Actually, I got it a few weeks before Boston last year. I didn't have enough training data to be useful at the race, but my heart rate during the race was crazy. I started out thinking I was in shape for sub (or at least low) 3 finish. I had leg cramps starting around mile 5 and started slowing down then. I also felt thirsty throughout despite taking both water and gatorade at each stop.

Mile    Split    HR
1        06:52    172
2        06:52    182
3        06:52    185
4        06:45    187
5        06:55    190
6        07:00    191
7        07:04    192
8        07:21    193
9        07:33    193
10        07:54    193
11        08:10    193
12        08:13    191
13        08:30    190
14        08:35    191
15        08:58    189
16        08:54    185
17        09:36    188
18        09:32    187
19        09:33    181
20        09:44    181
21        10:09    183
22        09:34    181
23        09:55    182
24        11:24    177
25        11:51    174
26        12:10    170
26.37    03:44    179
End      3:50:07    185

I have not done a true max heart rate test, but it shows I hit 198 at Boston. That may have been off though. My resting can be as low as about 50 or 52 first thing in the morning.

Anyway, for this training cycle I think my HR is a bit more normal, although it is probably higher than most 46 year-olds have. My marathon pace runs (up to 12 miles so far) have averaged around 175bpm. My tempo runs have been more like 180-185. Easy runs will vary more depending on how easy and how hilly, but can be below 150 or even 140.

Brew - my son actually slept GREAT until maybe 15  weeks? Like, right after I went to work. He's never been a great napper. Just a heads up.. like, ever. I don't expect that to change at this point.  The past 2 weekends I have resorted to driving around for over an hour because he fell asleep. He has NEVER slept as much as recommended for his age. Again, don't expect that to change at this point. Some kids sleep less...

This reminds me that I used to walk on a treadmill while holding one of my daughters when she was a baby (14y.o. now). She was a bit more fussy than our first born and wouldn't go to sleep for us sometimes. So I'd set it to about 2.5mph, walk for about 15 minutes and out she would go.

If you all want to feel a lot better, the heart rate taken at the doctor is usually around 80.  And the machines at the gym seem to agree.  Those are the only places where it gets checked.  I did have a runner's resting heart rate when I was young (and skinny).

Looking more and more likely I sign up for shamrock for a qualifying attempt.  I'm dangerously close to about 24 weeks of stuff so I just need to take the plunge.  Long runs have felt decent.  It will ever be windy or hot, I just have to live with one of those.  Hopefully not a hot wind, that just doesn't seem fair. I get to judge a lot on club challenge next month.  Ten miles is just as good as a half, right?

As 2018 Thread-Dictator-Usurper, I will repeat the gospel of page one.  Namely:

And like any friendship, we ask that you participate and reciprocate. Please don't dump your training week or question and run - give as well as take. Please don't join for validation - this is not Instagram. Like any good friend, we'll speak up if we're concerned you're headed down the wrong path. Or need to be (nicely) taken down a notch.

PJ - Even if Shamrock is windy, in the past it was still possible to run well there.  Be sure to check out the new course before registering.  They reversed the two loops, and I think it made the course much worse.

Oregon - 400s at 5K pace with 200m recovery actually sounds like a very solid workout back.  Not killer, but workouts don't need to be killer to achieve what you want, IMHO.

I love the Daniels book and the theories espoused in it, but the training schedules themselves have always seemed crazy to me.

McBen - even if food/drinks are included, that's still way too much for tix.  Does part go to charity, perhaps?

7 miles very easy this morning (9:48 pace) followed by drills, strides, DIY yoga.  I'm racing a 10K on Saturday.  I don't have any specific goal for the race; I just want to get another race under my belt before getting into the thickest part of marathon training.  If I don't race this weekend, then I'd have a 3 month gap between the Houston Half and my tune-up half for Botulism - that's way too long for me to go without racing - I'd just get stale.

10K is a bit long for this purpose, but I don't like any of the few 5K options available this weekend.

dwave - many thanks for the gospel!

re. armory tickets, i think those super expensive ones are like front row. and yes, there's an armory foundation which hosts lots of community and kid focused events. it's located in a neighborhood where it is definitely a noble cause to keep kids "on track" both literally and figuratively, and off the streets.

i read this very interesting bit on the history of the armory last year (and my bad if this was already posted/discussed): http://citiusmag.com/the-armory-history/

keen- "I just noticed that the form in your profile pic is pretty similar to that of RLK's."  !! This might be the best form compliment anyone has (unintentionally) paid me, haha