2022 Advanced Racing Thread (Read 465 times)

cinnamon girl


    Did you see Woody Kincaid's recent side stitch issue? It's around 1:17. I haven't heard what he said actually happened but when you mentioned your issue JMac I thought of his race. If anyone has time and didn't already see - watch the women's and men's 10,000 USA Championship races! It's fun cheering for OAC 

    2022: Oakland Half 6th F, 1st Master, AG 84%, Lake Merced Half 2nd F, AG 86%

    MM (Houston '12, LA '15, NYC '16, Vancouver '19)

    No carbon plates

    Running Problem


    Problem Child

       

      Don't trigger me with positive stories about grandma's 

       

      RP - you made me look into stitches more and there's some evidence it may be a core issue after many years of studies. I guess I should add it to the strengthening exercises.

       

      achievement unlocked!

      I only suggested it from some first hand experience. I went all in for my first Sub 3 so anything I could do to maybe help I did. My logic was based around the idea of a stronger core/whole body delays the breakdown in form much longer. I think I've done some short breathing cramps/side stitches myself so I hope it works out for you.

       

      Your feelings on race day are COMPARABLE to how I felt at Chicago. It was supposed to be my big day and it wasn't. Go pout. Seriously. Sulk, whine, let it eat at you, be depressed. All that shit. Get it out. It's not fair you didn't get the Disney ending after all this hard work. When you're done, and you're ready to put your big boy pants back on we'll be here. The highs are so high because the lows are so low.

       

      EDIT: as far as ultras, it's just a different challenge. There is only as much pressure as you put on yourself. You might actually enjoy a race where being competitive means a 9:00/mi pace.

      Many of us aren't sure what the hell point you are trying to make and no matter how we guess, it always seems to be something else. Which usually means a person is doing it on purpose.

      VDOT 54.9

      5k19:35 | Marathon 2:56:07

        Cinnamon: Great to see you back here! 4 Moose Mugs,,,very impressive. I think Darkwave is the only other on this thread with multiple MMs. I have a grand total of zero. Maybe eventually.... Very cool that you're running Berlin this year. Looks like you're starting the cycle in a good place. So you're going to the US champs? I'm jealous. Will you be going to the World Champs in July? The 1500, 5k and 10k for men and women should all be epic.

         

        JMac: I was just joking about training your stomach with Bell. I think your idea of training more with gels and liquids is probably a good way to go. I also rarely use gels in training and then I think it's a bit of a shock when taking them in a race, and it never feels comfortable. I honestly hate having to drink and take gels in a race, and my best races were (maybe just by chance) the ones where I drank little or nothing and took only 2-3 gels. As far as side stitch, that's a tough one as well. It's something that only seems to happen in races for me, so it's hard to learn how to deal with it in training. But looks like you're getting some good advice on it here.

         

        Also I like the attitude for NYC and second what Mikkey said: totally legit to get it done on that course!

         

        SC: Sorry your race didn't pan out, hopefully you can get in a good one this fall.

         

        Ian: Damn achilles. I hope it's feeling better now.

        2:52:16 (2018)

          Re stitches I've also read to breathe out and keep breathing out. Probably bloody hard to do at MP though !

          50+ PBs -  

          5k 18.21 Hagley Parkrun  July 21      82.27 % age grade

          10k TT 37.21 may 2nd 2021 strava run 82.51 % age grade

          Half marathon  1.23.30 may 21 80.11 % age grade

          " If you don't use it you lose it,  but if you use it, it wears out.

          Somewhere in between is about right "      

           

          SteveChCh


          Hot Weather Complainer

             

            I like running half marathons at MP! Haven't done it in a while, but wish I did this cycle as I had some bad MP workouts where I could have used the race energy to get to the finish of the workout. My favorite is 11 miles at MP and then the final 2.1 at threshold pace. Very hard workout that can probably only be done in a race setting.

             

            That's actually quite similar to what I did, albeit not entirely planned.  I had thought I might lift the effort at the end but in the end it just sort of happened.  I'm really happy with how easy/comfortable it was and how quickly my legs have recovered - after 48 hours I couldn't even tell I'd done a decent workout.

            Net Downhill PB Southern Lakes Half Marathon 2022 1:27:32, Flat Course PB Christchurch 2016 1:29.25

            Recent Races:   Melbourne Marathon 3:35:03 October 2, 2022, Southern Lakes Half Marathon 1:27:32 May 7, 2022, Motorway 10km 40:49 February 27, 2022, Selwyn Running Festival Half-Marathon 1:29:32  November 7, 2021

            Race plan:  Christchurch Marathon April 16, 2023, New York Marathon 2024

            cinnamon girl


              Mikkey - you know my opinion on Strava, Instafuck, Fuckface, and whatever else there is.

               

              JT - depends on how I can adjust my work schedule - if I can make it work, I most certainly will for sure !! It's a 5 hour drive so totally doable. And I love Eugene.

              2022: Oakland Half 6th F, 1st Master, AG 84%, Lake Merced Half 2nd F, AG 86%

              MM (Houston '12, LA '15, NYC '16, Vancouver '19)

              No carbon plates

              flavio1980


              Intl. correspondent

                My recommendation a while ago that we merge both threads is becoming a reality, organically...

                PRs: 1500 4:54.1 2019 - 5K 17:56 2021 HM 1:21:59 2021

                Up next: 10K Family race

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                JMac11


                RIP Milkman

                  Did you see Woody Kincaid's recent side stitch issue? It's around 1:17. I haven't heard what he said actually happened but when you mentioned your issue JMac I thought of his race. If anyone has time and didn't already see - watch the women's and men's 10,000 USA Championship races! It's fun cheering for OAC 

                   

                  This looks horrible! His face said it all.

                   

                  Also appreciate your response on social media - we've missed you around here! Speaking of which - the latest thing grinding my gears on Instagram running accounts are these snake oil salesman who call themselves "running nutritionist" or something else, telling everyone to run their best marathons they should be taking in nutrition on their 8 mile runs (seriously). It's all just a ploy for you to sign up for their programs.

                   

                  Steve - careful now. You keep talking about how well your 1:35 went, nobody is going to take your 3:20 goal seriously. You already know I think 3:15 is your true goal, with maybe a 3:10 if things go perfectly since you'll definitely be in 1:27 shape or so by the time the marathon hits 

                   

                  Stitches - it's funny OMR has had the same experience as me, yet others have said deep breathing helps. I have the entire bag of tricks, because they happen every race: breathe out on the opposite foot, massage it, belly breathing, etc. So annoying!

                   

                  JT - some of my best races as well have been limited nutrition. I do think it got to  me this time though: I was so thirsty at the end of the race, and I never feel that way. Just gotta train more with stuff in my stomach this summer. I'll probably do a lot of my threshold work with nutrition so my body is trained at taking fuel in at a faster pace, but also keep my long runs "starved" of nutrition to train the fat adaptation.

                   

                  Flavio - I agree on merging threads next year. I don't think anyone is going to run the marathon thread going forward. But are the Waltons ready for us?

                  5K: 16:37 (11/20)  |  10K: 34:49 (10/19)  |  HM: 1:14:57 (5/22)  |  FM: 2:36:31 (12/19) 

                   

                   

                  ccoakley


                    /*delurking*/

                     

                    JMac, really sorry about your marathon.  Clearly I know nothing about running a marathon at those speeds but you've said

                    • you do really well on long MP training runs with no fuel
                    • some of your best races are limited fuel
                    • every time you race with fuel something goes wrong

                    would it be crazy to try not fueling?  Or at least sticking to liquid calories?

                     

                    /*relurking*/

                    5k 24:53 (2020) |10k 52:24 (2021) |HM 1:57:14 (2019) |FM 4:24 (2007) |50k 5:57 (2022)

                     

                     

                    Running Problem


                    Problem Child

                      Steve - careful now. You keep talking about how well your 1:35 went, nobody is going to take your 3:20 goal seriously. You already know I think 3:15 is your true goal, with maybe a 3:10 if things go perfectly since you'll definitely be in 1:27 shape or so by the time the marathon hits 

                      So 3:05 it is.

                      Many of us aren't sure what the hell point you are trying to make and no matter how we guess, it always seems to be something else. Which usually means a person is doing it on purpose.

                      VDOT 54.9

                      5k19:35 | Marathon 2:56:07

                      Running Problem


                      Problem Child

                        My recommendation a while ago that we merge both threads is becoming a reality, organically...

                         

                        The LAST time we tried it was 2020...I started that thread so I take full responsibility for everything between then and now.

                         

                         

                        Many of us aren't sure what the hell point you are trying to make and no matter how we guess, it always seems to be something else. Which usually means a person is doing it on purpose.

                        VDOT 54.9

                        5k19:35 | Marathon 2:56:07

                        flavio1980


                        Intl. correspondent

                           Flavio - I agree on merging threads next year. I don't think anyone is going to run the marathon thread going forward. But are the Waltons ready for us?

                           

                          The Waltons are all here already. Now that Mikkey is behaving there's no need to have a separate Mikkey-free thread 😂

                          PRs: 1500 4:54.1 2019 - 5K 17:56 2021 HM 1:21:59 2021

                          Up next: 10K Family race

                          Tool to generate Strava weekly

                          darkwave


                          Mother of Cats

                            How about one thread for kilometers/Celsius and one thread for miles/Fahrenheit?

                             

                            (If you work in furlongs/Kelvin then you need to start your own thread).

                            Everyone's gotta running blog; I'm the only one with a POOL-RUNNING blog.

                             

                            And...if you want a running Instagram where all the pictures are of cats, I've got you covered.

                            dpschumacher


                            37 going on 60

                              Hey all. Long time since I posted. We are prepping our house for sale, I got covid, then ran off the road and injured by a truck (it was intentional). My goal was to run a good time, recover quickly, don't get injured like last year, and crush this fall at Grandma's. Bummed I didn't manage to meet JMac.  I went through 20m exactly on pace (6:15/mile) then just picked up effort each mile.

                               

                              Here is my splits if interested.

                               

                              Check out my activity on Strava: https://strava.app.link/vsoIRomx4qb

                               

                              I just ran 20 min at 7:15 pace today so legs are doing fine. Going to start building milage for a week or two before workouts. Nice job all things considered JMac.

                               

                              Uploaded a month worth of runs to runningahead.  Hope you are all well.

                               

                              2021 Goals for my 2 marathon cycles this year

                              Marathon Sub 2:40 2:39:27 Grandma's Marathon 6/19/21

                              10k Sub 35:00 in Marathon build

                              5k Sub 16:30 in Marathon build /16:34 BK5K Memorial Day 2021

                               

                              2022 Goals

                              Marathon Sub 2:37 2:41:32 Grandma's 2022

                              10k Sub 35:00

                              5k Sub 16:00

                              Mikkey


                              Mmmm Bop

                                Mikkey - you know my opinion on Strava, Instafuck, Fuckface, and whatever else there is.

                                 

                                 

                                Milkman - That needs to go on page 1. 🤣🤣🤣

                                5k - 17:53 (4/19)   10k - 37:53 (11/18)   Half - 1:23:18 (4/19)   Full - 2:50:43 (4/19)