Forums >Racing>2024 Advanced Training and Racing Thread (still competitive jerks)
Hot Weather Complainer
Running 2:56 two months after running 1:25 for a HM would, I think, count as successful.
100%, this is a brilliant result. I'm honestly baffled that anyone would not think this is a successful marathon. Seems like you need to be able to run a marathon at the same pace as your half to be successful to some people?
I converted 1:27 into 3:35. I still put my 2 cents in about marathon training from time to time. Just because I can't run one doesn't mean I can't spot obvious training mistakes. Of course, it's unlikely that the people here who churn out great marathon results all the time would be doing anything wrong.
5km: 18:34 11/23 │ 10km: 39:10 8/23 │ HM: 1:26:48 9/23 │ M: 3:34:49 6/23
2024 Races:
Motorway Half Marathon February 25, 2024 1:29:55
Christchurch Half-Marathon April 21, 2024 1:27:34
Selwyn Marathon June 2, 2024 DNF
Dunedin Half Marathon September 15, 2024
Are we there, yet?
It's been an interesting recovery week. Since I tried to return to normal too quickly after my previous race, I decided to experiment with a different approach. Even as short as they were, I broke up some of my recovery runs to very short morning and evening runs to prevent me from pushing the distance up too soon. Since that barely got me warmed up, it also kept me from picking up the pace too much. So far it seems to be working, at least better than last time.
M: - morning 3 miles mostly walking; evening 1.5 miles walking and joggingT: - 2.3 miles mostly walking
W: - morning 3 miles short alternately walking and jogging; evening 2 miles short alternately walking and jogging
T: - 4 miles alternately walking and jogging with a few easy strides at maybe 10K pace
F: - 4.6 miles alternately walking and jogging with 6 easy 1:00 pickups at maybe 5K pace
S: - morning 2.5 miles alternately walking and jogging; evening 2 miles alternately walking and jogging
S: - 3.1 miles alternately walking and jogging with a few easy strides at maybe 10K pace
Total for the week: 28.2 miles / 45.4 km
Tomorrow plan to extend the distance to 6+ miles.
03/09 - Livingston Oval Ultra 6-Hour, 22.88 miles
05/11 - D3 50K, 9:11:09 06/17 - 6 Days in the Dome 12-Hour.
AG is a different conversation. But a 6 minute difference for non-elites is close enough to the same, you'd have to be a competitive jerk to care about 6 minutes The trick is to run a few shockers then 6 minutes is nothing.
6 minutes.... 6 minutes is nothing Even for the same age it is something for the marathon. What about age difference - was 2:56 marathon ran at the age of 53? Or at the age of 40? Or at the age of 30? 6 minutes difference is 30 minutes difference between 55 years old and 30 years of old. AG is not a different conversation - it is scientifically proven conversation, not just buddy's talk.
paces PRs - 5K - 5:48 / 10K - 6:05 / HM - 6:14 / FM - 6:26 per mile
Not an 80%er
WCRunner ran a 2h56 marathon without super shoes, in a race without a GPS watch, gels and probably didn't even have water along the course.
Do you still think his marathon time was not successful?
Winning a Moose Mug is the crème de la crème of competitive jerk achievements and I think that should be your next goal. I have got every confidence in you.
It's at most the crème de la crème from a circle jerk 😂
I do commend you on knowing how to type accents on your keyboard, that's a lot for an English native speaker 👏
I may come back to these easier achievements later in life, but at the moment I'm focused on a much harder challenge which is to run sub 2 minutes and 20 seconds on the 800m race.
I'm sorry to hear you were too afraid of speed to try the shorter distances. Just go to the local track and blast an 800m as fast as you can. I promise it won't bite you 😇
Steve - It was my understanding that Calbears was defining competitive as "anybody as fast as me or faster", and anybody slower is a "hobby jogger", so of course I had to start an online argument, cause that's the best proven method of spending one's time. Follow me for more life advice 😂
MMerkle - No, I'm saying none of us is competitive as in "can compete with the best", we're competitive as in "we're fierce competitors".
Also, for better 5000m results, tapering and peaking for the race are paramount. I'm sure this is not news for you 😁
Dave - It's awesome that those track series are all comers and probably zero-bureaucracy too right, like, can you just sign up and go?
Either way, it's a shame the races are so late, but if I were in your shoes, I'd go with the mile 100%. Once at the race just literally sprint out of the gate and try to keep it for as long as possible. It's a much quicker race so you will already be recovered by the time you arrive home.
I'll be very happy to hear if you also decide to try the 800m
Darkwave - Sorry, in between trolling Mikkey and Calbears I forgot to congratulate you on your birthday and shiny new age group.
PRs: 1500 4:54.1 2019 - 5K 17:53 2023 - 10K 37:55 2023 - HM 1:21:59 2021
Up next: some 800m race (or time trials)
Tool to generate Strava weekly
Flavio - yes I think you can just show up, pay your $10, and you’re in. I agree I’d probably try the mile. It’s pretty wild for me since I never really train at anything faster than 5k pace. Although I did once run a mile time trial just to see how it would go. It was pretty much like you said, just a hair-on-fire mad dash. A lot of fun though—it’s over so fast. I can’t even imagine the 800.
Dave
Mmmm Bop
It's at most the crème de la crème from a circle jerk 😂 I do commend you on knowing how to type accents on your keyboard, that's a lot for an English native speaker 👏 I may come back to these easier achievements later in life, but at the moment I'm focused on a much harder challenge which is to run sub 2 minutes and 20 seconds on the 800m race. I'm sorry to hear you were too afraid of speed to try the shorter distances. Just go to the local track and blast an 800m as fast as you can. I promise it won't bite you 😇
The only time I’ve ever run a full on 800m sprint was late last year when Tyson somehow managed to get into a field full of sheep and started chasing them all. I ran the length of the field in 2 minutes and 17 seconds.
5k - 17:53 (4/19) 10k - 37:53 (11/18) Half - 1:23:18 (4/19) Full - 2:50:43 (4/19)
Unless proven otherwise by video evidence, I do not believe you can break 80s for 400 right now 😎
PS: the use of canine pacers is permitted.
Problem Child
2:56 for a marathon is really fast. At least to me it is.
Many of us aren't sure what the hell point you are trying to make and no matter how we guess, it always seems to be something else. Which usually means a person is doing it on purpose.
VDOT 53.37
5k18:xx | Marathon 2:55:22
DK
https://www.strava.com/activities/11442766017/segments/3227050539242542998/sharingthis hill fucking sucked.
https://www.strava.com/activities/11442766017/segments/3227050539245429654/sharingthis hill kind of sucked.
https://www.strava.com/activities/11442766017/segments/3227050539243666326/sharingthe final two miles of this REALLY fucking sucked and was ALMOST as bad as the climb on Tahoe Rim Traiil at Diamond peak Ski Resort. At least I was kind of in shape this day.
Cobra Commander Keen
RP - Excellent race, well done.
Steve - Nice week, and I'm looking forward to your race. Which version of the Endorphin Pro did you try?
Mark - Pretty quick turnaround on that illness, I'm glad you recovered quickly. "Miss 7" doesn't have quite the same ring to it as "Miss 6". Why do they have to grow up on us?
Flavio - I don't understand why people struggle to grab products at the top shelf. - lol. I can hardly go to the store without some short asking me for help grabbing something. Bad weeks happen, hopefully you feel better during this one. Thanks for your continue upkeep of the Strava tool. Is there some way I can at least buy you a coffee or some thing for this?
Merkle - That's a heck of a rust buster!
Between all the 500 errors and my company's user conference (I had a couple presenting roles to prepare for) I've been MIA for a while.
Just trucking along, somehow squeezing in all my runs around the conference schedule. Thankfully that's out of the way for a bit.
5k: 17:58 11/22 │ 10k: 37:55 9/21 │ HM: 1:23:22 4/22 │ M: 2:56:05 12/22
Upcoming Races:
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Unless proven otherwise by video evidence, I do not believe you can break 80s for 400 right now 😎 PS: the use of canine pacers is permitted.
A true competitive jerk should always have a Garmin on their wrist 24/7 because if the opportunity arises then hit that start button if you think a PR is on the cards.
Unfortunately I wasn’t wearing my Garmin, but I’m pretty certain I covered 800m in that time…..and if anyone says it was a NZ measured field then I will not be happy.
A true competitive jerk should always have a Garmin on their wrist 24/7 because if the opportunity arises then hit that start button if you think a PR is on the cards. Unfortunately I wasn’t wearing my Garmin, but I’m pretty certain I covered 800m in that time…..and if anyone says it was a NZ measured field then I will not be happy.
No one would ever say that! If only because NZ doesn't actually measure anything.
The field is not measured.
You can be damn sure the number of sheep and / or cows in the field is, though.
3,000m: 9:07.7 (Nov-21) | 5,000m: 15:39 (Dec-19) | 10,000m: 32:34 (Mar-20)
10km: 33:15 (Sep-19) | HM: 1:09:41 (May-21)* | FM: 2:41:41 (Oct-20)
* Net downhill course
Last race: Runway5 / National 5k Champs, 16:22, National Masters AG Champ!
Up next: Still working on that...
"CONSISTENCY IS KING"
I've used version 3 for my last 3 half-marathons and these were the ones that didn't feel good on the MP workout. I used version 2 in my first marathon and lots of short races since. I'm feeling good about the Tempus for the marathon.
Good to see you still churning out the miles.
RP - Brilliant and insane race. Great stuff.
WCRunner ran a 2h56 marathon without super shoes, in a race without a GPS watch, gels and probably didn't even have water along the course. Do you still think his marathon time was not successful?
CalBears ran a 2h48 marathon without super shoes (Adidas Adizero 2 blue color) at the age of 50 (AG - 81.4%, 3rd place in AG at a highly competitive CIM race) - and yes, water was such a huge factor to that result (not!), without water he would not probably break 4 hours that day
And completely bizarre factor is that GPS watch - I guess the watch is the major factor to run a successful marathon. FFS
I just don't follow your reasoning - 82% AG vs 71% AG is all you need to see. 2:56 is great time, I do not argue, but I ran 9 marathons faster than 2:56 at the age range of 48 to 56 yo. 71% AG is all I need to know - it is not up to potential - that's all. Means, training was not appropriate. Actually, when he said he didn't see a reason to run longer than two hours when marathon training, that was enough for me to hear.