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Problem Child
That is the same day I will be flying up to Albany, NY to do a meet and greet with JT Reeves and race a 10 miler. So already booked.
Well if you need a back up race to your back up race I'll take all the help I can get.
Keen put me down for targeting a 19:17-19:25. I think I'll aim for a 6:12-6:15/mi pace with absolutely no reason other than it's in a spreadsheet and a book s being a 3:05ish marathon and entering a marathon training session I think I'd like to be just about there on paper to keep pushing myself. 3:05:25-26 is what I ran at Mt. Charleston in 2019 and that showed me a BQ was possible. The elevation is about 900 ft and I'm coming from 4,500 so even with humidity it should be hard enough to require pushing myself mentally and physically.
Many of us aren't sure what the hell point you are trying to make and no matter how we guess, it always seems to be something else. Which usually means a person is doing it on purpose.
VDOT 53.37
5k18:xx | Marathon 2:55:22
Piwi I was about to buy the pegasus 37 when I found these. Do those have a carbon fiber plate yet or no? I kind of assume everything Nike has one at this point.
RP no plate in the Pegasus. There are still plenty of Nike shoes without a plate. I don't think a plate is needed for daily training shoes if they are well cushioned.
55+ PBs 5k 18:36 June 3rd TT
" If you don't use it you lose it, but if you use it, it wears out.
Somewhere in between is about right "
JamesD
Ended my week a day early because my son is graduating from high school today & we have lots of events. Tried a short swim on my off day Wednesday and was reminded how out of swimming shape I am. 14 minutes was enough, while I was up to an hour last October. Also have had more groin soreness than usual since then, though I don’t know if there’s a connection. Running was ok otherwise this week, and I went a half-mile longer on my short tempo.
Sun - 7.7 miles in park including 2.5 @ 6:53
Mon - 9.4 easy (1:39) on treadmill
Tues - 9.4 in park @ 8:41
Weds - swam 14 minutes really slowly
Thurs - 10.7 progression (1:39) on TM, groin a bit sore
Fri - 9.3 easy (1:39) on TM, groin sore
Sat - off
Total - 46.6 miles
YTD average - 48.6 mpw
Post-1987 PRs: Half 1:30:14 (2019); 10K 39:35 (2019); 5K 19:12 (2017); Mile 5:37.3 (2020)
'24 Goals: consistency, age-graded PRs, half < 1:32
Congratulations to your son James.
My week post half race. Took till about Thursday to get my legs back.
RP - all the best for the 5k.
James - congrats on your son's graduation!
Piwi - that's a pretty solid post-race week. It took me about 7-10 days before I was fully over my half. Slightly longer than normal but it was a helluva race!
Me - building the volume back up and threw a lot of hills in there this week, kind of a strength week I guess. Sunday's long run was not quite at the epic elevation gain levels that Steve and Watson managed but still hillier than normal. Not quite sure how I got 154m of elevation gain off a track workout but the rest is legit! Given the next race is a little hillier and mainly trail, seems like it's a good time to get some elevation back in there.
On that note, I'm tossing up shoe choices for the race. It's mainly gravel trail, with a few short sharp climbs, so VF's are a no-go, both because they won't be stable enough and they'll be destroyed. There's a risk it's wet and an outside chance of snow as well. I have the Saucony Switchback and really like that shoe albeit mine are a bit worn now, so tossing up between the Switchback 2 and the Nike Terra Kiger. The Switchback 2 is a bit lighter but the Terra Kiger seems to get a pretty good rap.
3,000m: 9:07.7 (Nov-21) | 5,000m: 15:39 (Dec-19) | 10,000m: 32:34 (Mar-20)
10km: 33:15 (Sep-19) | HM: 1:09:41 (May-21)* | FM: 2:41:41 (Oct-20)
* Net downhill course
Last race: Waterfront HM, 7 Apr, 1:15:48
Up next: Runway5, 4 May
"CONSISTENCY IS KING"
Hot Weather Complainer
piwi - Nice week...that would be way too much for me post-race! Be careful in the next week or so.
Mark - Nice week. The race sounds like it will be great and good to mix it up from the standard road race. You're getting plenty of elevation gain in each run, I guess there isn't much choice in Auckland whereas for me, I have to drive for 20 mins to get somewhere I can get > 0 gain.
James - Pretty solid week, and I'll add my congrats to your son, and to you for getting him there.
RP - Good luck with the 5km. Go out at target pace and hang on for dear life!
me - This was a down week to regroup, although a few months ago this "down" week would have been a new mileage record. I have 2 pretty big weeks ahead before the taper. As Mark said, I had a hilly shorter run for my long run this week (again, 2 months ago it would have been my longest ever run), and I coped pretty well. Much less soreness than the last 2 times I ran up there and I hope it builds my endurance. I don't like that Strava seems to consistently underestimate the elevation! Garmin shows 792 metres for my long run, while Strava has 579. No hangover this week from the cramp on the long run last weekend - my coach has given me a slightly modified version of that cramp run for next weekend so I'm back on the horse quickly and hopefully with a better result. I did remember that I did 10km on Friday last week (which is more than usual on what used to be a rest day) and I may not have allowed for that when pre-hydrating for the long run the next day. This week I did 8km on Friday and hydrated a little too well (had to get up twice on Friday night, much to my partners annoyance).
5km: 18:34 11/23 │ 10km: 39:10 8/23 │ HM: 1:26:48 9/23 │ M: 3:34:49 6/23
2024 Races:
Motorway Half Marathon February 25, 2024 1:29:55
Christchurch Half-Marathon April 21, 2024 1:27:34
Selwyn Marathon June 2, 2024
Dunedin Half Marathon September 15, 2024
Piwi, Mark, James and Steve - nice weeks.
Hills often don't need to be out much to have significant elevation differences. My cross country a few weeks ago had only 26 metres on my Strava, but 80+ on other people's Strava (I think 80 would be about right).
I had my biggest hill workout yesterday, I had 875m elevation (Strava), Garmin had 922m. That was really hard.
Going off Strava, I had 999m elevation for the week, although on Flavio's app, the daily rounding has it 996m.
PRs: 5km 18:43 (Dec 2015), 10km 39:59 (Sep 2020), half 1:26:16 (Sep 2016), full 3:09:28 (Jun 2015)
40+ PRs: 5km 19:31 (Oct 2020), 10km 39:59 (Sep 2020), half 1:29:39 (Jun 2018), full 3:13:55 (Sep 2022)
2023 PRs (hope to beat in 2024): 5km 20:34, 10km 41:37, half 1:32:32, full 3:21:05
2024 PRs: 5km 20:25
Steve thats impressive that 80kms is now your down week. Your fitness will be going through the roof.
Mark I can't help you with trail shoes but I guess it depends how technical the trail is. Nice job on the hills. That's hilarious with the Elevation on the track.
Mark/Steve yeah I'm probably pushing things but my two local running mates have been running hard all week so I've been suckered into it . One did the half with me and the other the 10k but with the Rotorua Marathon the week before. They are in their 30s though. I'm taking my easy pace seriously 4.40 to 5.10/km
Intl. correspondent
Piwi - LOL gypsy blood is right. Ever since leaving my parents place at 14 I’ve never lived more than 3 years in the same house.
RP - good luck on your 5k! By the end of your second mile your face should be blue and there should be a pink Jesus pacing you to your right.
James - Congratulations to your son! I wonder if your groin issues have the root cause somewhere else.
Last year I’ve learned that a lot of the times I have back issues the hip rotator (pant’s pocket muscle) is involved.
Mark - that is indeed a lot of elevation!
Steve - Hills are speed in disguise. That’s a great way to force yourself to run slower and get some strength from it.
Watson - Monster of a long run!
me - decent week, good variety of work. Legs felt alright. I might have to reconsider using the Topos for fast long runs, they're not as stable in the faster paces. The Altra Paradigms aren't either, but they feel more stable and offer more cushion.
Pushing the boundaries a bit over 2h today, running 3 hours is a scary thought at the moment. I'm glad October 10th is still far away.
PRs: 1500 4:54.1 2019 - 5K 17:53 2023 - 10K 37:55 2023 - HM 1:21:59 2021
Up next: some 800m race (or time trials) / Also place in the top 20% in a trail race
Tool to generate Strava weekly
Flavio nice job. Thats young to leave home. I'm threatening my 15 yr old that he will have to go at 16 if he doesnt start behaving better. He can be a nightmare. I did a dedicated strength session this morning. First time doing squats with weights ( remembering your advice about not overdoing it )
and lunges and balancing stuff on one leg which I'm bad at, and abs which I've been doing for a while.
Watson big elevation nice job. I forget are you training for a trail run ? Hills are good in moderation for me although I'm barely getting up them once per week.
Mother of Cats
James - yeah, running fitness and swimming fitness barely overlap, in my experience. You may have a good engine, but the chassis and tires are completely different. Congratulations to your son on his graduation!
Piwi - good week - glad your legs are back!
MarkyMark - without a doubt the best shoes for a gravel trail race are slippers. So you can sit in comfort while everyone else runs it. (*rimshot*) Agree that it takes me 7-10 days to recover from a half.
Steve - I think Strava has an elevation correction - have you tried that? For a while, I was having the opposite issue. My Garmin's altimeter was screwed up (known issue with that watch - swimming meant that the sensor got wrecked by chlorine) and every run would have ridiculous elevation gain that I would have to correct on Strava.
Watson - that's a lot of gain. You kiwis don't mess around with your hills.
Flavio - interesting on the shoes. I'll confess that I haven't run much in either.
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My week:
83 miles (133.5K) running, 1500 yards swimming, and 80 minutes pool-running
M: 8 miles (13K) very easy (9:02 mile pace/5:33 km pace), drills and four hill strides, and upper body weights/core.T: 12.5 miles (20K), including a track workout of 2000, 1200, 2x800 in 7:49, 4:33, 3:01, 2:59. 4:53 recovery after the 2000, 2:54 recovery after the 1200, and 3:06 between the 800s (track traffic). Followed with leg strengthwork and 500 yards recovery swimming.W: 6.5 miles (10.5K) very easy on treadmill (9:36 mile pace/5:58 km pace), streaming yoga, and then 6 miles (10K) very easy outside (8:49 mile pace/5:27 km pace)) plus drills and two strides..Th: 3.5 miles (5.5K) very easy on treadmill (9:39 mile pace/6:00 km pace), 1 hour pool-running, and upper body weights/core.F: 12.5 miles (20K), including a 4 mile tempo in 25:52 (6:24/6:33/6:31/6:25) (so 6:28 mile pace/4:00 km pace). Followed with leg strengthwork and 500 yards recovery swimming.Sa: 12.5 miles (20K) very easy (9:14 mile pace/5:43 km pace)), plus drills and 4 hill sprints, and streaming yoga.Su: 21.5 miles (35 km), split as first 7 miles averaging 9:14 mile pace (5:43 km pace), next 7 miles averaging 8:00 mile pace (4:58 km pace), next 7 miles averaging 7:10 mile pace (4:26 km pace), and then a half mile jog. Followed with 500 yards recovery swimming and 20 minutes pool-running.
And that's the conclusion of my marathon cycle. I taper down for a 10 mile tune-up race this weekend, and then have the full marathon 3 weeks after that.
In other news, the cicadas are here! For you non-US people (and some US people as well), in parts of the US we have "periodic cicadas." Basically they are bugs that hatch from eggs and bury beneath the earth to develop for a lengthy period of time - multiple years - before emerging for a few weeks in the summer of a designated year. They crawl out of the earth, shed their larval underground skin to emerge as big red-eyed winged bugs, and then fly around, have sex, lay eggs, and die. And make a lot of noise while doing so.The cicadas come in different broods - a brood is a group that all emerge at the same. The cicadas are big, dumb, ugly, defenseless, and apparently quite tasty, so their only chance of survival is to all come out at the same time so that a few of them can survive to reproduce.
The biggest brood of cicacas is Brood X, which is based in the Mid-Atlantic US (including Washington DC). Brood X comes out every 17 years - resulting in bugs EVERYWHERE for a few weeks. I first saw Brood X when I was 13, and then when I was 30. Now I'm 47, and hopefully I'll still be around at age 64 to see them again.
Some people love the cicadas, some hate them (there are a few people who are staying inside because of bugs, not covid). I'm in the first camp - I think they're REALLY cool, though seeing them also leads to introspection and reflection on the past 17 years and the next 17.
I have some pictures and videos of the cicadas on my Instagram, but two of my friends have much better pictures and videos, so I'll link to them instead. (check out how LOUD these things are)
My friend Nick's instagram post.
My friend Phil's instagram post.
Everyone's gotta running blog; I'm the only one with a POOL-RUNNING blog.
And...if you want a running Instagram where all the pictures are of cats, I've got you covered.
Flavio - nice week.
Darkwave - you have had an excellent marathon cycle.
New Zealand has cicadas too. Ours come out every summer. I am not sure how many years they are in the ground before they come out. So it might be each cicada takes several years before it comes.
watson - That is an epic hill run! I guess you'll be doing some more of these brutal runs for your ultra.
darkwave - Nice week and thanks for the Cicada education. They're one of the sounds of summer for me. Running in Hagley Park in the summer just been there was one occasion when I was listening to music and the cicadas were so loud at one point that they drowned out the music. As watson said, you've had a great cycle. Excited to see how you go in the race.
It looks like Strava has already corrected the elevation on that run because there is no option to do it so perhaps that is the true number.
Steve - hope the body is feeling good after a slightly lighter week. Well done on 28km being a 'shorter' long run especially with those hills in there. Must be only 4 weeks or so to go now?
Watson - good week and nice job with that hilly one. I think you got more elevation on that one run than I did across at least 3!
Flavio - nice week with some good variety. I reckon there's a lot of value in keeping the average run length relatively high and not doing a whole lot of shorter ones.
Darkwave - haha great call! It's not a 'real' trail race since it's all on well maintained gravel trails. Must be nice to have the work in the bag and now just 3 weeks to go for your marathon.
Piwi - good work on the weights. You might feel it a bit tomorrow if you haven't done them for a while!
Mark - 5 weeks to go. I'm actually a bit sore today, after saying I wasn't yesterday. The hills seem to beat up my legs a bit, I assume it's the downhills.
I haven't hit the all encompassing marathon training mental and physical fatigue that I've heard others talk about but I suspect after the next 2 weeks I'll be happy to start the taper. This week will be my biggest of the cycle.