Competitive Jerks Racing and Training - 2023 (Read 574 times)

flavio80


Not an 80%er

    Mikkey - You're spot on, endurance and especially muscular endurance is my weakness. I'm currently in base building trying to push the boundaries a bit on how much I can run within a week.
    I've now gotten close to the desired distance of 70 miles/110 km, but now I'm hoping to push it a little further closer to 10h or 120km/75 miles. Seeing as I'm very close to my ceiling here there's no guarantee that I'll be able to push that far.

    The plan is to only increase mileage during base building, once marathon training starts the mileage will remain largely the same, so I will only be changing one variable (workouts) during the marathon training block.
    Re: the long run, yeah I've been doing a lot of elevation the last 12 months or so and the heart is very strong. But what caught me was muscular endurance, my core muscles (especially glutes and hip flexors) get super tired and I lose form by the end, simply put running takes a higher effort without the core supporting it.

     

    Cal - I wanted to mention that I took your advice as gospel after my last marathon. I'm going to try to make my marathon build up as boring as possible. Just trying to be very consistent with the training.

     

    Dave - You were in the vicinity of the desired paces, in my book that's good enough as your body got the desired stimulus.

     

    DW - if the IwoJima workout is now harder then it's good news heh. How's Fluffy doing ?

     

    Fishy - I had a bit of sweat rash on the long run 😁

     

    Merkle - I used an app called CityStrides. RP told me about it and I was instantly addicted to it.
    You just connect your Strava account to it an it uses the GPS coordinates from your run to query OpenStreetMap which streets you ran on. 
    This link should make some sense of that for you -> https://citystrides.com/users/63560
    Also, as head of the warm weather committee, I can tell you that we reject your weather complaining. You can't complain about warm weather when you go running at 10:35 AM 😂 just go running at 7am and it will be much better, even if the temps aren't much better, the uv index will be much lower.

    PRs: 1500 4:54.1 2019 - 5K 17:53 2023 - 10K 37:55 2023 - HM 1:21:59 2021

    Up next: some 800m race (or time trials)

    Tool to generate Strava weekly

    CommanderKeen


    Cobra Commander Keen

      Mark - Nice week for having a cold. Doing better, now?


      Flavio - Awesome job on getting all those streets. That project didn't seem to take you very long. Efficient route planning?


      Dave - High AQI and I'm guessing pretty decent Kiwi Point as well. 6:35/mi seems pretty solid for that, you'll get a nice bump when the air clears and the temps drop.


      Steve - Excellent week.


      DWave - Thanks!
      Good week. That's a pretty massive change in that hill workout. Hills are something I'm trying to put even more of a focus on myself.


      Merkle - Thanks. The mile was fun and I learned a lot, I'd really enjoy running another if it popped up.
      Sorry about that week. Did anything happen regarding the race? And yeah, sometimes the heat just sucks it out of you. How much water/electrolytes did you have?


      I logged my biggest in several months, not just in volume but also intensity thanks to adding in that mile race and a decently big workout.
      I think I've decided to work on hills as much as I can during my LRs. If I run a somewhat carefully selected route I can get about the same elevation gain per mile as my goal race, but going up and down a hill for a couple hours obviously gets more. Plus, doing that also lets me stash an extra water bottle. My coach has given me a bit of a progression towards the end of my LR this weekend if the legs are feeling up to it, so figuring out how best to hit a hill for an extended period before upping the effort and just running the roads for nearly the second half (while accounting for extra water) will be interesting.

       

      I somehow turned off my alarm this morning and woke up really late. I'm not certain if I just didn't get it turned on yesterday before bed, or if I turned it off this morning in my sleep and I just don't remember it. Either way, I scrambled to get 3/4 of my planned mileage for my morning run. Getting the balance of those miles plus what I was going to get for a double means I can't do it during my work day today, so I've gotta wait until evening. I'm not exactly thrilled with that.

       

       

       

      Weekly for period: From: 07/03/2023 To 07/09/2023

      <caption>Weekly Grid</caption>
      Date Name mi km Duration Avg/mi Avg/km Elevation Gain
      in ft
      07/03 7 scissor-tailed flycatchers, 5 rabbits, & 1 ribbon snake 12.15 19.56 01:41:27 08:21 05:11 404
      07/03 Where'd that torrential downpour come from? 4.10 6.60 00:36:09 08:49 05:29 436
      07/04 Warming up 2.51 4.03 00:21:30 08:34 05:20 135
      07/04 But what about second warm-up? 0.78 1.25 00:05:25 06:57 04:20 16
      07/04 Four on the Fourth 1.00 1.62 00:05:29 05:29 03:23 0
      07/04 Cool-down 3.30 5.31 00:25:44 07:48 04:51 0
      07/04 Getting the rest on crushed gravel 2.50 4.03 00:24:10 09:40 06:00 105
      07/05 6 rabbits, 3 runners, & 2 ducks 7.15 11.51 01:04:47 09:04 05:38 246
      07/05 1 big red-eared slider 4.10 6.60 00:37:17 09:06 05:39 197
      07/06 2x 10' HMe, 2x 10' @10k, 5x 2' @5k 15.36 24.71 02:01:39 07:55 04:55 1503
      07/06 10 geese 5.01 8.05 00:44:51 08:57 05:34 220
      07/07 9 rabbits, 6 geese, & another thunderous soundtrack 10.00 16.10 01:33:13 09:19 05:47 348
      07/07 2 rabbits 5.05 8.13 00:45:54 09:05 05:39 230
      07/08 Different weekend, different hill 16.01 25.75 02:23:22 08:57 05:34 1079
      07/09 Lunch Run 5.05 8.13 00:45:12 08:57 05:34 226

      Totals: Time: 13:36:09 - Statute: 94.08 mi - Metric: 151.38 km

      5k: 17:58 11/22 │ 10k: 37:55 9/21 │ HM: 1:23:22 4/22 │ M: 2:56:05 12/22

       

      Upcoming Races:

       

      OKC Memorial 5k - April 27

      Bun Run 5k - May 4

       

      Marky_Mark_17


        Keen - more or less, thanks. Pretty much back to normal apart from clearing out the residual snot.

         

        Flavio - a friend of mine (before he moved to Japan) was on a mission to run every street in Auckland.  I'm not sure he quite finished but he was miles ahead of the next person.

         

        mmerkle - it's just one week. Don't get too fazed by it. Chalk it up as a rough one and move on.

         

        Fishy - ugh I hate that humid weather. Sounds rough.

        3,000m: 9:07.7 (Nov-21) | 5,000m: 15:39 (Dec-19) | 10,000m: 32:34 (Mar-20)  

        10km: 33:15 (Sep-19) | HM: 1:09:41 (May-21)* | FM: 2:41:41 (Oct-20)

        * Net downhill course

        Last race: Runway5 / National 5k Champs, 16:22, National Masters AG Champ!

        Up next: Still working on that...

        "CONSISTENCY IS KING"

        flavio80


        Not an 80%er

          Flavio - Awesome job on getting all those streets. That project didn't seem to take you very long. Efficient route planning?

           

          As much as I'd love to claim the efficiency trophy, there were a few of factors that made it quicker:

          a) I had a head start of about 400 streets which I had unknowingly completed by just being a curious person trying out to run in new streets

          b) Porto is quite compact and has the shape of Shell oil's logo, no exclaves or anything like that.

          c) I could reach every place in town without ever going into high ways, so I never needed to hop on a car to reach an outer neighbourhood.

          d) Due to sheer blind luck, I live very close to the geographical center of the city of Porto. It's a max of about 4 miles from my place to the furthest place in town.

           

          The problem itself is similar to the Chinese_postman_problem, which is an exceptionally hard problem to solve in computer science, but in this case it's even harder because you can't do it all in one go, you have to do it in runs varying from 40 minutes to 2h30 in my case, and always starting from the same place. That means that I will run every street *at least* once, but probably twice, sometimes dozens of times on the city arteries.

          So I focused on solving one neighbourhood at a time and that worked quite well in the end.

           

           

          I somehow turned off my alarm this morning and woke up really late. I'm not certain if I just didn't get it turned on yesterday before bed, or if I turned it off this morning in my sleep and I just don't remember it. 

          Here's footage of you setting up your alarm:

          Alarm

          PRs: 1500 4:54.1 2019 - 5K 17:53 2023 - 10K 37:55 2023 - HM 1:21:59 2021

          Up next: some 800m race (or time trials)

          Tool to generate Strava weekly

          Running Problem


          Problem Child

            For those who don’t have a copy, and live where the Bald Eagles roam free among the plains the Bible is on sale. 

            https://a.co/d/dy59a9d

             

            it was about $2 more when I picked up my copy on my way to being a two time sub-3 marathoner who set their PR at Boston.

            Many of us aren't sure what the hell point you are trying to make and no matter how we guess, it always seems to be something else. Which usually means a person is doing it on purpose.

            VDOT 53.37 

            5k18:xx | Marathon 2:55:22

            flavio80


            Not an 80%er

              Keen - I remember you mentioned the Altra Outroad a while back. I checked it out today, but unfortunately it's based on their slim foot shape. So it joins the list of Vanish Carbon, Vanish Tempo and the Rivera as shoes that I can't wear cause they're too narrow.

              Anyway, the good news is that Escalante 3 and the Escalante Racer were on sale, so got one pair of each. I also got the Torin 7 Wide to try it out for longer runs. I've been wearing the Paradigms but I seem to do better with the Torins.

               

              Altra foot shapes:

              Altra foot shape

              PRs: 1500 4:54.1 2019 - 5K 17:53 2023 - 10K 37:55 2023 - HM 1:21:59 2021

              Up next: some 800m race (or time trials)

              Tool to generate Strava weekly

              CommanderKeen


              Cobra Commander Keen

                Flavio - I almost didn't try the Outroad because it is on their smaller last, but for some reason (to me, at least) it doesn't feel that snug or narrow.
                I'm jealous that you found some Escalante 3s and Racers on sale. I'm still rockin' some Torin 5s for recovery runs! Those could use an upgrade.
                I do miss the days of 70USD or cheaper previous-gen Escalantes.

                 


                Speaking of wanting cheap shoes, when is Saucony going to let go of full pricing on the Endorphin Speed 3???

                5k: 17:58 11/22 │ 10k: 37:55 9/21 │ HM: 1:23:22 4/22 │ M: 2:56:05 12/22

                 

                Upcoming Races:

                 

                OKC Memorial 5k - April 27

                Bun Run 5k - May 4

                 

                Mikkey


                Mmmm Bop

                  Mikkey - You're spot on, endurance and especially muscular endurance is my weakness. I'm currently in base building trying to push the boundaries a bit on how much I can run within a week.
                  I've now gotten close to the desired distance of 70 miles/110 km, but now I'm hoping to push it a little further closer to 10h or 120km/75 miles. Seeing as I'm very close to my ceiling here there's no guarantee that I'll be able to push that far.

                  The plan is to only increase mileage during base building, once marathon training starts the mileage will remain largely the same, so I will only be changing one variable (workouts) during the marathon training block.
                  Re: the long run, yeah I've been doing a lot of elevation the last 12 months or so and the heart is very strong. But what caught me was muscular endurance, my core muscles (especially glutes and hip flexors) get super tired and I lose form by the end, simply put running takes a higher effort without the core supporting it.

                   

                   

                   

                   

                  Well I admire your determination to run the best possible time at Valencia because marathon training/races have always been out of your comfort zone!  It’ll be interesting to follow your training as we both have the same sort of strategy and are marathons are on the same date. But I very much doubt I’ll be able to hold 75mpw average over a marathon cycle…but back in my glory days just after World War 2 that number was the sweet spot for me. 

                   

                  Fishy - “Stealth mode”    Marathon training is boring and basebuilding is even more boring! I ran 200 in June, hopefully 250 this month and then play it by ear in August.  I’m hoping that my training will start getting sexy in September and will post my workouts. 👍

                  5k - 17:53 (4/19)   10k - 37:53 (11/18)   Half - 1:23:18 (4/19)   Full - 2:50:43 (4/19)

                  flavio80


                  Not an 80%er

                    Keen - I suppose you don't have duck feet then 😁 Very likely since you can fit into Sauconies.

                     

                    Mikkey - May we both have consistent training blocks!

                     

                    me - So I was running yesterday and then a mamma seagull dove at me and tried to hit me with a shit torpedo, but she missed 😂😂😂 I was laughing for about 2 minutes...

                    PRs: 1500 4:54.1 2019 - 5K 17:53 2023 - 10K 37:55 2023 - HM 1:21:59 2021

                    Up next: some 800m race (or time trials)

                    Tool to generate Strava weekly

                    Mikkey


                    Mmmm Bop

                      Lovely photo of multiple gold medalist Caster Semenya and wife. ❤️

                       

                      5k - 17:53 (4/19)   10k - 37:53 (11/18)   Half - 1:23:18 (4/19)   Full - 2:50:43 (4/19)

                      Mikkey


                      Mmmm Bop

                        What is the most exciting race you’ve ever seen at the Olympics? (I’m genuinely curious)

                         

                        For most Brits I think it was Mo winning the 5000m and 10,000m double in 2012…but for me it was Caster winning the 800m women’s final at Rio and Francine Niyonsaba coming 2nd and Margaret Nyairera coming 3rd….check out that race on YouTube as they were amazing! 😎

                        5k - 17:53 (4/19)   10k - 37:53 (11/18)   Half - 1:23:18 (4/19)   Full - 2:50:43 (4/19)

                        Mikkey


                        Mmmm Bop

                          Lynsey Sharp after finishing 6th at Rio.

                           

                          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4JeLO8RCtoQ

                          5k - 17:53 (4/19)   10k - 37:53 (11/18)   Half - 1:23:18 (4/19)   Full - 2:50:43 (4/19)

                          JoshWolf


                          Part of TLC

                            What is the most exciting race you’ve ever seen at the Olympics? (I’m genuinely curious)

                             

                            For most Brits I think it was Mo winning the 5000m and 10,000m double in 2012…but for me it was Caster winning the 800m women’s final at Rio and Francine Niyonsaba coming 2nd and Margaret Nyairera coming 3rd….check out that race on YouTube as they were amazing! 😎

                             

                            Yup, and Melissa Bishop from Canada came in first woman, but no medal .

                             

                            Not Olympics, but European Championships - the most astonishing marathon finish ever:

                             

                            Men's Marathon | Munich 2022 | Richard Ringer - YouTube, starting at about 2:07

                            Don't hurry - next AG will start 2026

                            Mikkey


                            Mmmm Bop

                               

                              Yup, and Melissa Bishop from Canada came in first woman, but no medal .

                               

                               

                               

                              Yep, unless biological women (the ones who don’t have a penis) make a stand and refuse to race against males… then it’s going to get even more ridiculous. 

                              5k - 17:53 (4/19)   10k - 37:53 (11/18)   Half - 1:23:18 (4/19)   Full - 2:50:43 (4/19)

                                Parkrun Marshall today. I can see how kiwi course are inaccurate.

                                " just put turnaround cone by 3rd little tree in on footpath " 

                                55+ PBs 5k 18:36 June 3rd TT

                                " If you don't use it you lose it,  but if you use it, it wears out.

                                Somewhere in between is about right "