Sub 1:30 Half Marathon in 2020 (Read 618 times)

watsonc123


    First day in the office today.  Really quiet - less than half of the half who were allowed in, went in.

    PRs: 5km 18:43 (Dec 2015), 10km 39:59 (Sep 2020), half 1:26:16 (Sep 2016), full 3:09:28 (Jun 2015)

     

    40+ PRs: 5km 19:31 (Oct 2020), 10km 39:59 (Sep 2020), half 1:29:39 (Jun 2018), full 3:13:55 (Sep 2022)

     

    2023 PRs (hope to beat in 2024): 5km 20:34, 10km 41:37, half 1:32:32, full 3:21:05

     

    2024 PRs: 5km 20:25

    zebano


      First day in the office today.  Really quiet - less than half of the half who were allowed in, went in.

       

      I had the same experience last Wednesday. Had to physically touch some servers so I went in, and there were only 10 people there (and none in my area). Kind of eerie.

      1600 - 5:23 (2018), 5k - 19:33 (2018), 10k - 41:20 (2021), half - 1:38:57 (2018), Marathon - 3:37:17 (2018)

        Been a couple of weeks since I posted here. I've been trying to lay off the internet and whatnot as much. It's been somewhat nice. But I've been running a lot (for no reason). I also dabbled in whole food plant based diet for two weeks. It has a lot of value, but wasn't for me. I've never been a "I must have meat" type of person, but it made me realize that I really like lean meats to get the macros. Either way,  at this point, just trying to focus on really refining my diet to see what works well with higher mileage and my body to recover. I have Shalene Flanagan's recipe book and made bison burgers last night, and my body really  liked them. I don't know how it goes with fuel and recovery...but they were awesome.

         

        Anyways, two weeks ago was recovery week, all easy and no speed work - 65 miles

         

        Week prior had an LT run thrown in, but the Long Run was just a steady state to get the miles. The body wasn't feeling it so I got 16.5 while falling off pace at the end by around :30 seconds per mile. Sunday recovery run was miserable which is odd, because I haven't been that way.

         

        Current week:

         

        Weekly for period: From: 05/11/2020 To 05/17/2020

        Date Name Distance
        in mi
        Duration Avg Pace
        per mi
        05/11/2020 Cold Morning Run 10.10 01:22:43 08:11
        05/12/2020 vO2 Max Intervals 2x1200/1000/800 12.01 01:28:18 07:21
        05/13/2020 Treadmill 10.00 01:22:14 08:13
        05/14/2020 Five Year Old Speed Demon 0.21 00:02:14 10:38
        05/14/2020 Morning Recovery Run 6.01 00:52:03 08:40
        05/14/2020 Evening Treadmill Miles 3.50 00:30:51 08:49
        05/15/2020 Strides 8.50 01:10:03 08:14
        05/16/2020 Treadmill Long Run 17.00 02:15:40 07:59
        05/17/2020 Lunch Run 5.20 00:45:15 08:42

        Total distance: 72.53mi

         

        Things I liked:

         

        The interval workout was great.  I felt great the entire time. Was able to hold pace the entire time. Makes me wonder if any small races happen if I can approach sub-18, which is weird since going into late February, I was aiming on sub-19.

         

        I ran with my daughter. That's a blast. She enjoys getting in her loop around the cul-de-sac.

         

        The Long Run felt good. Legs were super tired going into it, but I was able to progressively do it from 8:25 pace up to 7:30 pace and did the last mile at 6:45. Also watched 1917 so that helped.

         

        All in all, good training. Just hoping I can use it soon.

        CommanderKeen


        Cobra Commander Keen

          Lots of good weeks around here!


          Marco - Good to have you back. 4 months isn't much time at all to race a marathon - maybe do it as a very easy LR, or perhaps use it as a rust-buster and drop at the half (assuming that doesn't leave you stranded).


          Watson - I'll echo DPS here and advocate for more running day per week and fewer miles per day.


          MRakers - Unplugging is nice, isn't it? And those daddy/daughter runs are just gold, aren't they?


          Cutback week (in mileage, and I purposefully ran a pretty flat route all week) as my legs were starting to feel heavy and motivation was flagging some. I initially planned on my usual LR (16mi), but somewhere along the way talked myself down and down in mileage. No regrets there, though.
          Did my current favorite/most hated workout this morning, too. My legs felt a bit tight when I first set out to warm up so I considered pushing it to tomorrow, but today's weather was likely better than we'll see in a long time and my legs loosened up nicely so I went ahead with the workout. Definitely had some rust on my legs but it was nice to do something other than run at easy effort.

          Weekly for period: From: 05/11/2020 To 05/17/2020

          Date Name Distance
          in mi
          Duration Avg Pace
          per mi
          Elevation Gain
          in ft
          05/11/2020 5 deer (5 strides), 4 rabbits, & 3 short rain showers 10.10 01:23:12 08:14 328
          05/12/2020 9 turkeys, 2 rabbits, & 1 owl 10.10 01:24:06 08:20 272
          05/13/2020 9 geese and 6 rabbits 10.10 01:23:30 08:16 358
          05/14/2020 1 armadillo 10.16 01:24:10 08:17 725
          05/15/2020 7 Mississippi kites, 3 runners, 2 rabbits, & 2 ornate box turtles 10.15 01:24:09 08:17 397
          05/16/2020 Ellipsis vs Ellipse vs Elliptical vs ElliptiGO 11.05 01:33:43 08:29 305
          05/17/2020 Hadn't noticed that mulberry tree before 3.15 00:25:50 08:12 151

          Total distance: 64.83mi

          5k: 17:58 11/22 │ 10k: 37:55 9/21 │ HM: 1:23:22 4/22 │ M: 2:56:05 12/22

           

          Upcoming Races:

           

          OKC Memorial 5k - April 27

          Bun Run 5k - May 4

           

          darkwave


          Mother of Cats

            Re: Carrying water.  I always do during the summer.  I regularly race longer distances with a handheld, so I like to practice with it.

             

            Quick check in with my sucky week:

             

            Female, 46, 5'4", 108
            PRs 5:25/18:51/38:56/1:02:28/1:24:08/2:57:42
            Goal races: ???
            Goal times: 18:30 for 5K, 1:23Tight lippedx for half, sub-2:55 for full
            Next races: ???


            26.5 miles, 5 miles of walking
            M: Upperbody weights, core, and 5 mile walk
            T: 12.5 miles, including an alternating workout of 2 short hill repeats (70 seconds at incline of 4.5), 10 minutes at tempo (6:25 pace), 2 short hill repeats, 10 minutes at tempo (6:22 pace), 2 short hill repeats. 2:30 jog after each hill or tempo segment. Followed with leg strengthwork.
            W: 6 miles easy on treadmill (9:02), live streaming yoga, and 8 miles easy on treadmill (8:45).
            Th: Upper body weights/core and streaming yoga..
            F: Streaming yoga.
            Sa: Streaming yoga,and upper body weights/core.
            Su: Streaming yoga (two classes back to back) and leg strength work


            I tweaked _something_ this week on Wednesday resulting in some left foot pain that caused me to shut stuff down. The foot thing is weird - it's on the outside rear of the heel as well as underneath. It's not peroneal tendonitis - I can evert that foot against resistance easily and without pain. It's not plantar faciitis either - the pain isn't in the right place, it doesn't improve as I walk on it, and the sole of the foot isn't tight at all. And sleeping in the strasbourg sock (my reliable standby for plantar fasciitis) results in the foot burning along the outside after a few hours.

             

            We're pretty sure this is nerve pain (sural nerve) - it's burning, moves around, flares when I sit on a couch, hurts more when I wear shoes than when barefoot. And the pain in my foot syncs with pain in my hip or hamstring on that side, plus a feeling of tightness in that leg. Plus, the pain locations are in the right place for pain from the sural nerve and/or s1 in the spine.

             

            Just frustrating - I know from past bouts with nerve stuff that it clears up much quicker when I stay active in some form. But....I don't want to walk or run on it, since it's sore enough to throw off my gait, and I don't have any other aerobic cross training options. The pools are still closed, and even if I had access to a bike, I'd be worried that might make stuff worse.

             

            I've been to the chiro twice now, and popping of my SI joint, foot, and hip socket plus Graston on the back of my knee have done wonders, so that's good.  I'm actually hopeful that I'll be running again by the end of the week.

            Everyone's gotta running blog; I'm the only one with a POOL-RUNNING blog.

             

            And...if you want a running Instagram where all the pictures are of cats, I've got you covered.

            zebano


              Mrakers - running with the kids is the best! I have one of mine excited to go for another run because I told him next time we wouldn't be on our way to Grandma's so we could play in the creek =)

               

              Keen - you can almost never go wrong with a cutback week, I think the plethora of injuries cropping up in this thread is proof enough.

               

              DW - you're having a rough year. Good luck with the nerves. Also I'm pretty sure the HM goal time emoji was unintentional, but it is hilarious.

              1600 - 5:23 (2018), 5k - 19:33 (2018), 10k - 41:20 (2021), half - 1:38:57 (2018), Marathon - 3:37:17 (2018)

              CommanderKeen


              Cobra Commander Keen

                DWave - First, bummer about the nerve issues, but good that it's responding. Hopefully that continues positively and you're back to thing without issue soon.


                Second, looking at your goal times in relation to my own running is interesting for me. For the first two are solidly in the "I can do that" camp for me - at least with a little more focused training instead of easy base work. But looking at sub 2:55 I can't help but think "that just SOOOOO fast and way out there!". Even sub-3 seems really aggressive, but perhaps that's clouded by my recent poor race performances. I've never thought of myself as being on the speed demon side of things (relatively speaking), but either my "speed surplus" is worse than I thought or my self-perception is seriously askew. Maybe a bit of both, who knows.


                Lastly, your post in the marathoning thread on opening things up is easily the most sensible thing I've seen on the subject. I hear lots of people saying that either everything needs to be opened or everything needs to be shut down, but I see this as a homogeneous "solution" to a heterogeneous problem.
                The issues impacting this vary so widely by rural vs urban areas (and many other variables besides) that it really does need to be handled locally.


                Looks like Strava is changing some things up and playing games with people again. Here's a good write-up for anyone who is interested.

                5k: 17:58 11/22 │ 10k: 37:55 9/21 │ HM: 1:23:22 4/22 │ M: 2:56:05 12/22

                 

                Upcoming Races:

                 

                OKC Memorial 5k - April 27

                Bun Run 5k - May 4

                 

                darkwave


                Mother of Cats

                  DWave


                  Second, looking at your goal times in relation to my own running is interesting for me. For the first two are solidly in the "I can do that" camp for me - at least with a little more focused training instead of easy base work. But looking at sub 2:55 I can't help but think "that just SOOOOO fast and way out there!". Even sub-3 seems really aggressive, but perhaps that's clouded by my recent poor race performances. I've never thought of myself as being on the speed demon side of things (relatively speaking), but either my "speed surplus" is worse than I thought or my self-perception is seriously askew. Maybe a bit of both, who knows.

                   

                   

                  Whoops - was cutting and pasting my post from Letsrun each week, where we include goal times, age/height/weight etc....  But yes, the sub-2:55 seems much more within my grasp than the sub-18:30.

                   

                  But yeah, I think different people have different "slopes" for the various distances.  My observation is that in general (with some exceptions) men tend to have a steeper drop-off then women as distances lengthen.  I'd say the majority of my training partners are men with faster shorter distance PRs than myself.  But for my female training partners, they tend to beat me a bit at the 5K distance.

                   

                   

                  I think that's just how we all are - no two people are going to have the same physiology.  If they did, training would be simpler.

                  Everyone's gotta running blog; I'm the only one with a POOL-RUNNING blog.

                   

                  And...if you want a running Instagram where all the pictures are of cats, I've got you covered.

                  JamesD


                  JamesD

                    Mrakers - How do you pace your 1200/1000/800 sets?  Same speed for each one, or is your sense of pace good enough that you can automatically change from one speed to another appropriately?  I don't run different speeds in a single workout (unless you count warmup strides), but I expect I could find the right paces for something like alternating 1200s and 400s or maybe some 400s or 800s with a tempo in the middle, but not for distances as close as 1200 and 1000.

                    Post-1987 PRs:  Half 1:30:14 (2019); 10K 39:35 (2019); 5K 19:12 (2017); Mile 5:37.3 (2020)

                    '24 Goals: consistency, age-graded PRs, half < 1:32

                      Mrakers - How do you pace your 1200/1000/800 sets?  Same speed for each one, or is your sense of pace good enough that you can automatically change from one speed to another appropriately?  I don't run different speeds in a single workout (unless you count warmup strides), but I expect I could find the right paces for something like alternating 1200s and 400s or maybe some 400s or 800s with a tempo in the middle, but not for distances as close as 1200 and 1000.

                       

                      I just did the suggested workout from Pftiz's "Faster Road Racing" for 5k training. They are defined as 3k-5k pace I believe, and are just vO2Max workouts. So I just hit around 5k pace for me which most recently was 5:59, but I was able to average closer to about 5:54ish I believe for the workout.

                       

                      To be honest, I don't really know that I did a killer workout that had much purpose. I'm just trying to diversify my training and be ready just in case a 5k is allowed to happen at some point this summer.

                      watsonc123


                        Darkwave - I hope your injury recovers soon.  Also, you post on Let's Run?  I thought you were too polite for there?  Or do you have a mean side?

                         

                        Mrakers - you're pulling off some good weeks.

                        PRs: 5km 18:43 (Dec 2015), 10km 39:59 (Sep 2020), half 1:26:16 (Sep 2016), full 3:09:28 (Jun 2015)

                         

                        40+ PRs: 5km 19:31 (Oct 2020), 10km 39:59 (Sep 2020), half 1:29:39 (Jun 2018), full 3:13:55 (Sep 2022)

                         

                        2023 PRs (hope to beat in 2024): 5km 20:34, 10km 41:37, half 1:32:32, full 3:21:05

                         

                        2024 PRs: 5km 20:25

                          I read on letsrun that Strava is taking away some features for free users.

                          No more training log and no more segment info outside of top 10.

                          55+ PBs 5k 18:36 June 3rd TT

                          " If you don't use it you lose it,  but if you use it, it wears out.

                          Somewhere in between is about right "      

                           

                          watsonc123


                            Given the lack of advertising and not selling your data, that's fair enough.

                             

                            https://www.runnersworld.com/uk/gear/a32567204/strava-free-subscriber/

                            PRs: 5km 18:43 (Dec 2015), 10km 39:59 (Sep 2020), half 1:26:16 (Sep 2016), full 3:09:28 (Jun 2015)

                             

                            40+ PRs: 5km 19:31 (Oct 2020), 10km 39:59 (Sep 2020), half 1:29:39 (Jun 2018), full 3:13:55 (Sep 2022)

                             

                            2023 PRs (hope to beat in 2024): 5km 20:34, 10km 41:37, half 1:32:32, full 3:21:05

                             

                            2024 PRs: 5km 20:25

                              DPS Another Good week

                              Steve same to you nice week things are coming along nicely for you.

                              Zebano nice week and good job on the TT even if not what you expected.

                              mraker nice week and nice job on that WO

                              Keen nice week  I always laugh your cut back weeks this one was still 10 plus miles more than my week.

                              DW nice week sorry to hear about he nerve issue hope it's nothing serious and clears up soon.

                              PR's

                              1m  5:38 (2018)

                              5k    19:59 (2019)

                              HM  1:33:56 (2018)

                              FM  3:23:07 (2018)

                              Running Problem


                              Problem Child

                                dwave Sounds like a tough spot to be in. Heals itself with use, but that risks an awkward gait and other "secondary" injury. I know my "active rest" working on the truck kind of helped, and my weekend run didn't bother the foot. Two weeks off seemed to upset the knee...or maybe it was the 20 mph winds I was dealing with for the first half, plus hills. Are you planning a few days off then back to running? I know my ankle would make walking from the bed to the "anywhere in the house" uncomfortable which was a big reason I decided to take time off. Oddly, it seemed to only hurt a little bit during a run. It was just everything AFTER the run that sucked.

                                 

                                I've lost a LOT of motivation to run. I guess part of it is no racing, and part of it is I don't have my usual lunch crew to chat with and push me to go run. Kind of sucks. Kind of opens doors to "well if you're not running" which tells me "ah THIS is how people get out of running." Fishing sounds like a good hobby to do while quarantining and socially distancing myself.

                                 

                                opening up? Well my Governor has calculated almost $1 BILLION dollars in lost revenue, and is keeping as much closed as he can. Sucks when you read articles of a businessman "retiring" after 30+ years. Just makes me think of everyone who wasn't able to retire. The businesses that are supposed to remain closed are operating under a "don't ask, don't tell" kind of policy. "oh we can go inside my private business and talk 6 feet away if you're here at this time and place." kind of operations. I'm in the "just open it all up and go back to normal" mode when I read my state has 100,000 tests conducted, about 7,000 positive results, and only 364 deaths (0.00364% of the population). 364 deaths (in my opinion of my friend's view) justifies keeping everything locked down and mask wearing in public while driving small business owners into bankruptcy. Because his 81 year old parents are in the "at risk" category and might catch COVID 19 from someone who works at the grocery store and doesn't wear gloves. Sorry man....2 people don't justify 1,000 losing jobs and new taxes to make up for the lost revenue. When I told him the masks he's wearing don't stop anything and "provides a sense of security" he said "well yeah." I say this as a father of a son who contracted a respiratory virus from his daycare when he was 1 year old, and daycare didn't have to shut down. Oh and my son went to the ER with a 104F fever. My nephew had the same thing and was in the ER for a week, as well as some kids from my son's class. So yeah, I might be a little biased towards "open it up and do what you personally think will keep you safe instead of forcing people to make you feel safe" and less government involvement in my life telling me how I have to stay safe. 8 weeks ago this was a 3 week shut down. I'm going to be interested to see what happens after this weekend. Plenty of society will be directly violating the social distancing and "don't travel" guidelines and I'm going to predict ANOTHER "spike" in COVID-19 positive tests qhich the governments will use to justify continued quarantining. Simply letting everyone get infected isn't an option to some people. Other people think "well if we had let everyone get infected three weeks ago we'd have a lot more people recovered or immune to it at this point.

                                 

                                so in other words, government is screwed either decision they make. Sit back, enjoy an adult beverage, and enjoy the new norm where people don't like being up in your personal space. I'm expecting the Boston Marathon to be held this September with 1/2 as many spectators as usual IF the weather is a nice day. Going past the college might not be as exciting. I hear there is a kissing station aroudn that area.

                                Many of us aren't sure what the hell point you are trying to make and no matter how we guess, it always seems to be something else. Which usually means a person is doing it on purpose.

                                VDOT 53.37 

                                5k18:xx | Marathon 2:55:22