Sub 1:30 Half Marathon in 2020 (Read 618 times)

Marky_Mark_17


    Steve - ah that sucks.  All I'll say is, give yourself time to think it through.

     

    DPS/Cal - yeah I really can't stand cheating.  I think prison is fair.  He didn't accept my Parkrun challenge and deflected it so he is clearly hiding something.

     

    Also Cal in our prisons I think they even get Xbox (I'm not joking).

     

    Piwi - way to hang with the fast guys! That would've been fun.  There was a group doing the Waiwera loop this morning but I couldn't really be arsed driving up to join them given the pretty average weather.

     

    The Athletics NZ calendar is getting shuffled and they will likely push NZ Road 10k Champs back to early November.  So I need to find a tune-up race for Rotorua - I'm thinking Mt. Maunganui half which is in late August, timing is good 4 weeks out.  The other option is Taupo but I've run that twice before and the whole no-cups thing really irks me.

     

    James- nice week.

     

    Me- would've been the Christchurch Marathon today so I did a 35k long run.  It was pretty windy and miserable, but still not nearly as bad as the weather was in Christchurch for the race last year!  It was nice to reflect on last year's half down there and catching up with Steve and Watson afterwards.  I hope I'll get to do the marathon there next year, depends how I feel after Rotorua.  Anyway, another decent week in the books, May ended up being an all-time record mileage month for me at 449km.

     

    Weekly for period: From: 25/05/2020 To 31/05/2020

    Date Name Distance
    in km
    Duration Avg Pace
    per km
    Elevation Gain
    in m
    26/05/2020 Saw another runner in Unsworth Reserve for the first time ever and it wasn’t even Mike 12.22 00:56:19 04:37 155
    27/05/2020 6x3 min hard / 30 sec jog 13.04 00:53:38 04:07 80
    28/05/2020 Love a good Bomb Point loop 11.17 00:46:46 04:11 52
    29/05/2020 Ok. I’ll admit it. I’m starting to get a bit sick of hills. 12.01 00:56:39 04:43 181
    30/05/2020 The king is dead, long live the king 8.01 00:34:27 04:18 37
    31/05/2020 Not the Christchurch Marathon 35.07 02:40:01 04:34 256

    Total distance: 91.51km

    3,000m: 9:07.7 (Nov-21) | 5,000m: 15:39 (Dec-19) | 10,000m: 32:34 (Mar-20)  

    10km: 33:15 (Sep-19) | HM: 1:09:41 (May-21)* | FM: 2:41:41 (Oct-20)

    * Net downhill course

    Last race: Waterfront HM, 7 Apr, 1:15:48

    Up next: Runway5, 4 May

    "CONSISTENCY IS KING"

    CalBears


      DPS/Cal - yeah I really can't stand cheating.  I think prison is fair.  He didn't accept my Parkrun challenge and deflected it so he is clearly hiding something.

       

      Yeah, as I thought - I found the PR marathon your guy had ran in 2018 - the average pace was 6:31 and average HR was 157. So, looks like his fitness went ballistic since then as he ran that CR segment at a pace of 4:41 with an average HR of 129 - also, very interesting that his HR was really stable for the whole half a mile stretch - I would expect a noticeable raise from the start to the finish when you ran at your most effort, right?. Right before his CR attempt he was warming up at a pace of 7:52 and HR of 130. Then there was a kilometer with an HR of 117 bpm but the pace was 8:20. Also interesting that after the CR attempt for the next 2 miles his HR never went below 140 bpm at a pace between 8:30-9:00. I wonder what that guy was doing? Some kind soul already flagged that attempt - if not that, I would do it myself.

      paces PRs - 5K - 5:48  /  10K - 6:05  /  HM - 6:14  /  FM - 6:26 per mile

      Marky_Mark_17


         Some kind soul already flagged that attempt - if not that, I would do it myself.

         

        That was me haha.  He has a few other CRs around the area that exhibit similar characteristics, I might have to check them if I am bored some time.

         

        For reference my HR when I ran that segment started at around 145bpm, it took about 200m to properly kick up (laggy watch, maybe), but then it went straight to the high-170's for the rest of the segment (my average HR in HM races is normally in the high-160's or low-170's).  Normally I see a similar pattern running 800 repeats on the track.  A hard 800m or 1km should get the HR spiking pretty high - it's a tough effort.

         

        The next two miles on his activity after the segment would've been mostly uphill so if he was on a bike (as suspected), that would explain the higher heart rate there!

        3,000m: 9:07.7 (Nov-21) | 5,000m: 15:39 (Dec-19) | 10,000m: 32:34 (Mar-20)  

        10km: 33:15 (Sep-19) | HM: 1:09:41 (May-21)* | FM: 2:41:41 (Oct-20)

        * Net downhill course

        Last race: Waterfront HM, 7 Apr, 1:15:48

        Up next: Runway5, 4 May

        "CONSISTENCY IS KING"

          Why would someone do that it's very strange.

           

          Mark I will do the 10k at the Mount Maunganui half. It gives me 3 months to train and no staircase anymore to run up 

          55+ PBs 5k 18:36 June 3rd TT

          " If you don't use it you lose it,  but if you use it, it wears out.

          Somewhere in between is about right "      

           

          CalBears


             

            That was me haha.  He has a few other CRs around the area that exhibit similar characteristics, I might have to check them if I am bored some time.

             

            For reference my HR when I ran that segment started at around 145bpm, it took about 200m to properly kick up (laggy watch, maybe), but then it went straight to the high-170's for the rest of the segment (my average HR in HM races is normally in the high-160's or low-170's).  Normally I see a similar pattern running 800 repeats on the track.  A hard 800m or 1km should get the HR spiking pretty high - it's a tough effort.

             

            The next two miles on his activity after the segment would've been mostly uphill so if he was on a bike (as suspected), that would explain the higher heart rate there!

             

            Good - as I said, I would not mind flagging his activity as a very suspicious one - too bad for him he didn't turn the HR off. Though, it would not matter now - once a cheater is always a cheater Smile. Though he would have a chance to prove you or me wrong if he did it with others on the course.

             

            Yes, per Hadd's recommendation, you get your Max HR running all out 800 meters and then all out 400 meters - the highest of two is your Max HR - so, there is no way the guy was running 800 meters at all out effort and didn't have considerable HR drift. No way Jose!

            paces PRs - 5K - 5:48  /  10K - 6:05  /  HM - 6:14  /  FM - 6:26 per mile

            watsonc123


              James - nice week.

               

              Mark - nice week also

               

              Piwi - you did a 21km run!  Achilles must be ok?

               

              Steve - did it not being a race hinder you?  For me, a race is worth 10 s/km.  Also, not having raced recently would hurt (totally realize that's been a hard ask).

               

              My week was ok:  Last Sunday's 15.3km took it out of me. So I had Monday off. Yesterday I repeated the run, and although slower, I definitely recovered quicker.

               

               

              Weekly for period: From: 25/05/2020 To 31/05/2020

              Date Name Distance
              in km
              Duration Avg Pace
              per km
              Elevation Gain
              in m
              26/05/2020 Afternoon Run - Incl. 4 * 1 Minute Moderate Hill Repeats 8.19 00:42:30 05:11 54
              27/05/2020 Afternoon Run - Incl. 6 * 800m Moderate Intervals 10.55 00:50:21 04:46 29
              28/05/2020 Evening Run 2.94 00:16:03 05:28 10
              28/05/2020 Hamstring Rehab Work - Phase 4 0.00 00:50:00 00:00 0
              30/05/2020 Afternoon Run 15.30 01:19:00 05:10 45
              31/05/2020 Hamstring Rehab Work - Phase 4 0.00 00:45:00 00:00 0

              Total distance: 36.98km

              PRs: 5km 18:43 (Dec 2015), 10km 39:59 (Sep 2020), half 1:26:16 (Sep 2016), full 3:09:28 (Jun 2015)

               

              40+ PRs: 5km 19:31 (Oct 2020), 10km 39:59 (Sep 2020), half 1:29:39 (Jun 2018), full 3:13:55 (Sep 2022)

               

              2023 PRs (hope to beat in 2024): 5km 20:34, 10km 41:37, half 1:32:32, full 3:21:05

               

              2024 PRs: 5km 20:25

                Watson good to see you coming back. No my Achilles is fine and my calf 90 % maybe more.

                 

                Mark has been restored at the top of that segment justice prevailed 

                 

                See you on zoom tomorrow

                55+ PBs 5k 18:36 June 3rd TT

                " If you don't use it you lose it,  but if you use it, it wears out.

                Somewhere in between is about right "      

                 

                Marky_Mark_17


                  OK, so the saga continues.  He posts this response after the activity was flagged (with a reference to a result from 13 years ago).

                   

                  "To whoever flagged this run as fake, thanks for the compliment. The missing piece of the puzzle is that I'm an ex-sprinter so its really easy to get CRs on these short segments. https://www.myresult.co.nz/alksstfnhchamps2007/event/11.html"

                   

                  https://www.strava.com/activities/3532808017

                   

                  Around an hour later, the activity is cleared and ends up back on the leaderboard (I don't know how the process works for this).

                   

                  I'll be interested to see if he finds the other segment that I flagged where he has a CR that shows exactly the same issue.

                  3,000m: 9:07.7 (Nov-21) | 5,000m: 15:39 (Dec-19) | 10,000m: 32:34 (Mar-20)  

                  10km: 33:15 (Sep-19) | HM: 1:09:41 (May-21)* | FM: 2:41:41 (Oct-20)

                  * Net downhill course

                  Last race: Waterfront HM, 7 Apr, 1:15:48

                  Up next: Runway5, 4 May

                  "CONSISTENCY IS KING"

                  CalBears


                    OK, so the saga continues.  He posts this response after the activity was flagged (with a reference to a result from 13 years ago).

                     

                    "To whoever flagged this run as fake, thanks for the compliment. The missing piece of the puzzle is that I'm an ex-sprinter so its really easy to get CRs on these short segments. https://www.myresult.co.nz/alksstfnhchamps2007/event/11.html"

                     

                    https://www.strava.com/activities/3532808017

                     

                    Around an hour later, the activity is cleared and ends up back on the leaderboard (I don't know how the process works for this).

                     

                    I'll be interested to see if he finds the other segment that I flagged where he has a CR that shows exactly the same issue.

                     

                    He is a cheater - no doubt. I flagged his CR again with some explanation. If they clear it again, I will post a request to Strava to explain based on what they cleared this cheating activity? How people live with that, I told you Piwi he should be sent to jail - now with a stricter rules Smile

                    paces PRs - 5K - 5:48  /  10K - 6:05  /  HM - 6:14  /  FM - 6:26 per mile

                    Mikkey


                    Mmmm Bop

                       

                      He is a cheater - no doubt. I flagged his CR again with some explanation. If they clear it again, I will post a request to Strava to explain based on what they cleared this cheating activity? How people live with that, I told you Piwi he should be sent to jail - now with a stricter rules Smile

                       

                      If he lived in Belfast he’d get kneecapped...then his cycling hobby would be over. 

                      5k - 17:53 (4/19)   10k - 37:53 (11/18)   Half - 1:23:18 (4/19)   Full - 2:50:43 (4/19)

                      Marky_Mark_17


                         How people live with that, I told you Piwi he should be sent to jail - now with a stricter rules Smile

                         

                        Surely you’re not talking about the jail where they only get Netflix and no video games?!

                         

                        Seriously though, I appreciate the support from everyone. I have a pretty dim view of cheating in any form especially after everything that has happened with our sport.

                        3,000m: 9:07.7 (Nov-21) | 5,000m: 15:39 (Dec-19) | 10,000m: 32:34 (Mar-20)  

                        10km: 33:15 (Sep-19) | HM: 1:09:41 (May-21)* | FM: 2:41:41 (Oct-20)

                        * Net downhill course

                        Last race: Waterfront HM, 7 Apr, 1:15:48

                        Up next: Runway5, 4 May

                        "CONSISTENCY IS KING"

                        flavio80


                        Intl. correspondent

                          James - Isn’t 50 miles a new mileage record for you? Anyway, great week!

                           

                          Steve - ouch, so it looks like perhaps you’re timing your peak incorrectly? Maybe if you had raced on that day of the 2x5k you could’ve gone faster?

                           

                          Mark - I’m pissed now. Your guy complaints about a flag on his activity and he’s back one hour later?

                           

                          I had one of my hardest fought course records flagged, I've taken it to Strava support and it's been over a month now waiting.

                          https://www.strava.com/activities/2748851426

                           

                          I also bragged about it 

                           

                          My week is shorter than the long runs you guys did this week. I'm keeping up with the strength training and pre-hab as I'm sure it will pay dividends down the line. I'm tired but happy. I just wish I'd recover better from exercise sigh...

                           

                          Weekly for period: From: 25/05/2020 To 31/05/2020

                          Date Name Distance
                          in km
                          Duration Avg Pace
                          per km
                          Elevation Gain
                          in m
                          25/05/2020 Morning Run 4.88 00:25:04 05:08 21
                          26/05/2020 Morning Run 3.85 00:19:59 05:11 3
                          27/05/2020 Morning Run 5.72 00:30:00 05:15 20
                          28/05/2020 Morning Run 6.83 00:35:01 05:08 17
                          30/05/2020 Morning Run 3.86 00:19:53 05:09 12
                          31/05/2020 Morning Run 8.63 00:45:00 05:13 17

                          Total distance: 33.78km

                          PRs: 1500 4:54.1 2019 - 5K 17:53 2023 - 10K 37:55 2023 - HM 1:21:59 2021

                          Up next: some 800m race (or time trials) / Also place in the top 20% in a trail race

                          Tool to generate Strava weekly

                          JamesD


                          JamesD

                            James - Isn’t 50 miles a new mileage record for you? Anyway, great week!

                             

                            I'm tired but happy. I just wish I'd recover better from exercise sigh...

                             

                             

                            Flavio - I did 50 at the end of my last base period in February, so this ties my record (bearing in mind that my distances are estimates now, so I may have gone a couple of tenths more or less).  I'm structuring it a little differently this time.  In January/February, I had consecutive weeks of 45-46-47-35-48-49-50, all easy except for a short tempo during the down week.  This time, I've started alternating all-easy weeks in which I do strides once or twice with weeks with short tempos.  Starting with the all-easy week after my mile time trial, I've done 42-42-47-44-50 and hope to have another month or so of alternating 45ish with short tempos and 50ish all easy.  It's going to be several months at best before there are any halfs with enough people that I would want to run them, so I may as well take a while to build the base.

                             

                            Regardless of where your fitness happens to be at the moment, tired but happy sounds perfect.

                            Post-1987 PRs:  Half 1:30:14 (2019); 10K 39:35 (2019); 5K 19:12 (2017); Mile 5:37.3 (2020)

                            '24 Goals: consistency, age-graded PRs, half < 1:32

                            darkwave


                            Mother of Cats

                               

                              Good - as I said, I would not mind flagging his activity as a very suspicious one - too bad for him he didn't turn the HR off. Though, it would not matter now - once a cheater is always a cheater Smile. Though he would have a chance to prove you or me wrong if he did it with others on the course.

                               

                              Yes, per Hadd's recommendation, you get your Max HR running all out 800 meters and then all out 400 meters - the highest of two is your Max HR - so, there is no way the guy was running 800 meters at all out effort and didn't have considerable HR drift. No way Jose!

                               

                              HR stuff - FWIW, I never get close to my max HR when racing a mile.  Even though my mile times are superior to my 5K times, my HR is just very slow to rise.  But....I agree with the general premise that one would at least expect the HR to be rising during a hard short effort, not stay steady and flat.

                               

                              Agreed on the cheating.  Maybe it's my legal background or my work in compliance, but I'm big on the rules being followed, even if it "doesn't really matter."  Because it always matters, and lack of integrity in little things is almost always reflected in a lack of integrity in big things.

                               

                              Watson - good progress!

                               

                              JamesD - I agree with your assessment.  You are adjusting and acclimating, and should be good to go soon.

                               

                              Piwi - good news on the calf

                               

                              Steve: "When I keep having training runs which go better than races, something is wrong." - I agree with this.  Exactly.  I do want to caveat that time trials are not races (and I think there's many reasons why they are not good substitutes for races).

                               

                              FWIW, my rule of thumb is that when my racing is not matching my training, I need to adjust my training to match my racing, even if that seems ridiculously slow.  It's always better to err on the side of training too slow over training too fast.

                               

                              Marky_mark: will Mt. Maunganui half have cups?

                               

                              Flavio: agree on the benefits of strengthtraining and rehab.

                               

                              ***

                              My week:

                              65 miles
                              M: Streaming yoga and upper body weights/core
                              T: 10.5 miles on treadmill, including an alternating hill/tempo workout - two 70 second hills, then 10 minute tempo (6:50 pace), two more hills, 10 minute tempo (6:45), two more hills. Followed with 2 miles cooldown outside, leg strengthwork, and streaming yoga.
                              W: 7 miles very easy outside (9:16), streaming yoga, 7 miles easy on treadmill (9:02), drills and four strides.
                              Th: Upperbody weights/core in morning; streaming yoga in afternoon.
                              F: 12.5 miles on treadmill, including a hill workout of 8 repeats of 2:00 strong on 3.0 incline, 1:30 easy, 0:30 fast, 1:00 easy. Followed with some leg strengthwork and streaming yoga.
                              Sa: 7 miles easy outside (9:02), drills and strides, streaming yoga, and 3.5 miles easy (8:54) on treadmill.
                              Su: 14 miles progressive, split as first 4 miles averaging 9:12, next 4 averaging 7:51, next 6 averaging 6:55, and then then a 1.5 mile cooldown. Followed with leg strengthwork and streaming yoga.

                               

                              I've been focusing on my left/right ground contact balance a lot this week.  Historically, I've been slightly right dominant, but that's gotten much more pronounced recently, and my left leg is visibly slightly less muscled - we suspect this is all related to the nerve problems on that side.  The answer is to do single leg strength-training stuff (which I already do) and to make sure I use both legs equally when running.

                               

                              This is where it's really convenient to have the treadmill.  I can set my Garmin to show left/right balance, and then run on the treadmill while playing with different form cues to see what makes me run more or less even.  This pandemic is giving me a perfect opportunity to work on this.

                               

                              (if you're curious, the form cues that work the best are to tuck my pelvis slightly under and envision I'm running up a hill even when I'm not.  Simply trying to use my leg leg more does not work and even sets me back)

                              Everyone's gotta running blog; I'm the only one with a POOL-RUNNING blog.

                               

                              And...if you want a running Instagram where all the pictures are of cats, I've got you covered.

                              watsonc123


                                I will NOT be on the Zoom call today.

                                 

                                Darkwave - nice week.

                                 

                                Flavio - thanks for doing less miles than me.

                                 

                                Strava segment cheating is just strange.

                                PRs: 5km 18:43 (Dec 2015), 10km 39:59 (Sep 2020), half 1:26:16 (Sep 2016), full 3:09:28 (Jun 2015)

                                 

                                40+ PRs: 5km 19:31 (Oct 2020), 10km 39:59 (Sep 2020), half 1:29:39 (Jun 2018), full 3:13:55 (Sep 2022)

                                 

                                2023 PRs (hope to beat in 2024): 5km 20:34, 10km 41:37, half 1:32:32, full 3:21:05

                                 

                                2024 PRs: 5km 20:25