Sub 1:30 Half Marathon in 2020 (Read 538 times)

    Steve all the best your workouts have been great, stay confident 

    50+ PBs5k 18:29 Tauranga Parkrun May18   

    5k 18.29 Christchurch Parkrun July 20

    10k 38.55 oct 19 strava run

    Next race Mount Maunganui half 10k 31st Aug 2020

    " If you don't use it you lose it but if you use it, it wears out.

    Somewhere in between is about right "      

     

    flavio1980


    King of pastries

      Go get it Steve!

       

      Waiting for Jmac to use 80% of his race report to explain in details the course he just ran a PR.

      Also, congratulations Jack

       

      In other news, after finding a Brazilian steakhouse last weekend, today we found Açaí bowls! 

      PRs: 1500m 4:54.1 3K 10:34 5K 18:05 HM 1:23:30 - Up next: Some 5K race Sep 6th.

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      JMac11


      Taper Czar

        Waiting for Jmac to use 80% of his race report to explain in details the course he just ran a PR.

        Also, congratulations Jack

         

         

        I think you're confusing me and Mark. He spends all of his race reports talking about the course and competitors. I spend all of my race reports talking about how much pain I'm in. Don't mix it up!

        5K: 16:42 (9/20)  |  10K: 34:49 (10/19)  |  HM: 1:15:28 (3/20)  |  FM: 2:36:31 (12/19) 

         

        Next Race: Whatever COVID-19 will allow me to run 

        darkwave


        Mother of Cats

           

          I think you're confusing me and Mark. He spends all of his race reports talking about the course and competitors. I spend all of my race reports talking about how much pain I'm in. Don't mix it up!

           

          At some point, someone needs to come up with a meme thing that autogenerates race reports in each forumite's style.   You just input the time, distance, and a few other key details, and the report pops out.

          Everyone's gotta running blog; I'm the only one with a POOL-RUNNING blog.

           

          And...if you want a running Instagram where all the pictures are of cats, I've got you covered.

          watsonc123


            So, this auto race report will have Steve blaming the NZ government if he does not hit his goal race time

            PRs: 5km 18:43 (Dec 2015), 10km 39:59 (Sep 2020), half 1:26:16 (Sep 2016), full 3:09:28 (Jun 2015)

             

            40+ PRs: 5km 20:10 (Dec 2019), 10km 39:59 (Sep 2020), half 1:29:39 (Jun 2018)

            watsonc123


              Jmac - congrats.

               

              Steve - sorry your race did not go well.

              PRs: 5km 18:43 (Dec 2015), 10km 39:59 (Sep 2020), half 1:26:16 (Sep 2016), full 3:09:28 (Jun 2015)

               

              40+ PRs: 5km 20:10 (Dec 2019), 10km 39:59 (Sep 2020), half 1:29:39 (Jun 2018)

                Congrats Jmac on the fast 5k PB.

                 

                Steve sorry you didn't hit your goal.

                 

                Mark nice nearly 10k race.

                 

                Shitty week for me only 38kms. Ankles were sore possibly worn shoes.

                50+ PBs5k 18:29 Tauranga Parkrun May18   

                5k 18.29 Christchurch Parkrun July 20

                10k 38.55 oct 19 strava run

                Next race Mount Maunganui half 10k 31st Aug 2020

                " If you don't use it you lose it but if you use it, it wears out.

                Somewhere in between is about right "      

                 

                Marky_Mark_17


                  Steve - gutted for you, man.

                   

                  Piwi - bummer, I am pretty careful about retiring shoes once I feel they're starting to wear out, although it is the more expensive approach.

                   

                  Me - the 10k TT this morning went OK, although the course was pretty short.  They had to improvise a bit with no traffic management in place (so no road crossings allowed) and the need to cater for 5k, 10k and 15k options... in the end each lap was about 2.35km but given the road layout there it was as good as they probably could have done in the circumstances.  I'm hardly going to beat up on race directors right now as it's a minor miracle they could even run an event under the current restrictions in Auckland.  Anyway I managed pretty consistent splits allowing for the hills and wind and had enough left to gas it at the end.  Having only had one race in the last 6 months (which was basically a group time trial) I probably got what I needed out of it.  A single (not quite) 10k time trial isn't exactly the race prep I had in mind for the marathon but hey you take what you can get right now (I'll be happy just to be running the damn marathon!).

                   

                  Weekly for period: From: 07/09/2020 To 13/09/2020

                  Date Name Distance
                  in km
                  Duration Avg Pace
                  per km
                  Elevation Gain
                  in m
                  08/09/2020 Stunning morning out there 10.20 00:46:23 04:33 76
                  09/09/2020 5 days till D-day 14.01 00:58:49 04:12 28
                  10/09/2020 Current odds on Rotorua: 30% 13.65 00:52:11 03:49 23
                  11/09/2020 New shoes! 11.25 00:52:33 04:40 20
                  12/09/2020 Pre (virtual) race usual 8.02 00:34:34 04:19 98
                  13/09/2020 Warm up 2.30 00:10:51 04:43 20
                  13/09/2020 In search of a bathroom... 0.93 00:04:50 05:12 15
                  13/09/2020 Run Albany 10k 9.40 00:31:57 03:24 96
                  13/09/2020 Mallrats 10.35 00:49:45 04:48 117

                  Total distance: 80.12km

                   

                  Anyway tomorrow is D-Day as to whether it'll be Rotorua Marathon in 2 weeks or Wairarapa Country Marathon in 4 weeks (unless the sh!t hits the fan AGAIN).  The smart money, I think, is on the latter.  If that's the case I'll probably have a reasonably solid week next week and then allow a gradual 3 weeks taper.  I haven't had a week below 50 miles / 80km since February so I think it's wise to allow for a slightly longer taper.

                   

                  Current odds on which marathon I'll do remain unchanged from yesterday's estimate (no news in the intervening period).

                  5,000m: 15:39 (Dec-19) | 10,000m: 32:34 (Mar-20) | 10km: 33:15 (Sep-19) 

                  HM: 1:10:46 (Nov-19) | FM: 2:57:36 (Oct-17)

                  Last race: NZ 10,000m Champs, 21 March, 32:34 (PB) 

                  Up next: Wairarapa Country Marathon, 11 Oct (I HOPE!!!!)

                  "CONSISTENCY IS KING"

                  watsonc123


                    My odds for Mark and also me (except half distance)

                    1% Rotorua

                    98% Wairarapa

                    PRs: 5km 18:43 (Dec 2015), 10km 39:59 (Sep 2020), half 1:26:16 (Sep 2016), full 3:09:28 (Jun 2015)

                     

                    40+ PRs: 5km 20:10 (Dec 2019), 10km 39:59 (Sep 2020), half 1:29:39 (Jun 2018)

                    Marky_Mark_17


                      My odds for Mark and also me (except half distance)

                      1% Rotorua

                      98% Wairarapa

                       

                      You are such a pessimist Watson (although for the record I think the chance that neither Rotorua OR Wairarapa happens is more than the residual 1%).

                       

                      I don't think the odds on Rotorua are good but the chance of it happening is more than 1%.  There might be some creativity about alert levels outside Auckland, or the signal of a deferred move to Level 1 (say, Mon 21st) based on cases in the intervening period.  Also, of the two new cases today, none were community cases, which is a positive sign.

                       

                      Given 2 new cases today, my updated odds are:

                      • Rotorua 20%
                      • Wairarapa 65%
                      • No change to the others

                      5,000m: 15:39 (Dec-19) | 10,000m: 32:34 (Mar-20) | 10km: 33:15 (Sep-19) 

                      HM: 1:10:46 (Nov-19) | FM: 2:57:36 (Oct-17)

                      Last race: NZ 10,000m Champs, 21 March, 32:34 (PB) 

                      Up next: Wairarapa Country Marathon, 11 Oct (I HOPE!!!!)

                      "CONSISTENCY IS KING"

                      SteveChCh


                      Hot Weather Complainer

                        watson - ha!  I'll take that jab, fair enough.  I won't ever blame another person for my races though...I'll stick to blaming the govt for what they deserve, which is an extensive list!

                         

                        My race report can just get recycled over and over, the only variable is at what point things turn to custard.  Today it was early and the first time I thought about pulling out was in the third of 8 laps.  I'm at a complete loss as to why my racing is not reflecting training.  I'll take today off from pondering that, and have a few beers then move on to bourbon.

                         

                        Only thing of note from my race is I worked out on earlier laps that the course was short.  Wrestled with what to do at the end, because a) I was hurting as much as I ever have so just wanted to stop and b) I didn't know if I'd even get that far.  In the end, my watch said 20.96km as I crossed the finish so I kept running to 21.1km.  My rationale was "if I'm going to suffer this much, it's going to damn well count as a half-marathon".  So my official time will be about 40 seconds quicker than Strava.  One positive about crashing is I don't need to work out how to feel if I'd just snuck in under my target at the official finish line.

                        PB:  Christchurch 2016 1:29.25

                        Recent Races:   Cherry Blossom Half-Marathon, September 13, 2020 1:33:38 Half-Marathon Time Trial May 31, 2020 1:31.51 Auckland Waterfront Half-Marathon 2019 1:30.49

                        2020 Planned Races:  Queenstown Half-Marathon, November 21

                        Marky_Mark_17


                          Steve- I'm not saying this to try and provide answers, just as an observation that might be worth looking into further.  Your HR was 175bpm by the 2km mark and then basically stayed around that level for the entire race.  With the not-the-Christchurch HM TT, your HR was lower at the start, and then kicked up at the 10km mark (when you said you were 'cooked') to around that 175bpm level.

                           

                          What you would generally expect to see on a HM on a flat course is HR gradually creeping up over the course of the race.  Last time I did Waterfront it started around 165bpm and gradually tracked up to 180bpm by the end, for example.  The speed at which HR increases and eventually redlines is reflective of how hard you're working and your relative fitness at that pace.  Once you hit that redline zone, you can't stay there for long without pace eventually deteriorating.

                           

                          Assuming your HRM is working properly, it just seems strange that your HR just instantly kicks up to something close to a red-line level, particularly when it happens as early as it did for you today.  It might be worth getting checked out by someone who knows more about this stuff than me.

                          5,000m: 15:39 (Dec-19) | 10,000m: 32:34 (Mar-20) | 10km: 33:15 (Sep-19) 

                          HM: 1:10:46 (Nov-19) | FM: 2:57:36 (Oct-17)

                          Last race: NZ 10,000m Champs, 21 March, 32:34 (PB) 

                          Up next: Wairarapa Country Marathon, 11 Oct (I HOPE!!!!)

                          "CONSISTENCY IS KING"

                          SteveChCh


                          Hot Weather Complainer

                            Yeah I looked at that too and found it odd. It doesn’t happen in training like that. For the pace I was going it should have been 130-140

                            PB:  Christchurch 2016 1:29.25

                            Recent Races:   Cherry Blossom Half-Marathon, September 13, 2020 1:33:38 Half-Marathon Time Trial May 31, 2020 1:31.51 Auckland Waterfront Half-Marathon 2019 1:30.49

                            2020 Planned Races:  Queenstown Half-Marathon, November 21

                            JMac11


                            Taper Czar

                              I'll post on my 5k soon, but wanted to comment on Steve.

                               

                              Something is definitely up. It doesn't make sense how you're training and then how you're racing. I'm not a heart rate guy but mark's insight is spot on. That almost looks like race anxiety, or not resting, or something else.

                               

                              The only thing with your training I think (correct me if I'm wrong) is you don't do a lot of long tempos. For me personally, I don't feel like I need them for a half, but you may need them. You should try something like 15K at 4:35. If you can complete that but can't do the race, it says something about you on race day. If you can't do that, it may indicate you need more of it in training.

                              5K: 16:42 (9/20)  |  10K: 34:49 (10/19)  |  HM: 1:15:28 (3/20)  |  FM: 2:36:31 (12/19) 

                               

                              Next Race: Whatever COVID-19 will allow me to run 

                              watsonc123


                                Steve:

                                 

                                +1 to maybe you need long tempos at circa marathon pace.

                                 

                                I also noticed your HR was so high, so early.

                                 

                                Also, have you tried not running at all the day before?

                                PRs: 5km 18:43 (Dec 2015), 10km 39:59 (Sep 2020), half 1:26:16 (Sep 2016), full 3:09:28 (Jun 2015)

                                 

                                40+ PRs: 5km 20:10 (Dec 2019), 10km 39:59 (Sep 2020), half 1:29:39 (Jun 2018)