2018 Sub-3. No rules. Run. (Read 792 times)

Piwi I love your new suck it up attitude. I can use that with your calf right? 

Jmac remember dont try anything new on raceday....that includes meds. Put up with that bruised feeling. It wont impact your perfomance.

a) this above is truth.

b) if you do take something, I would take Tylenol rather than an NSAID like Ibuprofen.  NSAIDs can cause gastric distress, and there's also a documented risk of kidney problems when you combine NSAIDS and long distance running races.  (https://www.irunfar.com/2010/07/ibuprofen-and-its-effects-during-ultramarathons.html).  Granted, there's a difference between the NYC marathon and the Hard Rock 100, but still...I'd be very cautious here.

weather - congrats on the win and sub 17 - that's awesome.

JMac - I take acetaminophen before marathons (in pamprin), the goal being to reduce inflammation during the race and dull the pain a little bit.  Not sure how much it helps (if at all) but it doesn't hurt.  I agree with not taking ibuprofin as darkwave mentions.  Good luck!

Re:  Vaporflys

I have run my last 3 marathons in the 'original' model.  I really like them as they are extremely light and very cushioned.  The stack is so high that stability can be an issue.  Making sharp turns or even going down steep hills feels a bit unstable.  But otherwise they are light and fast.  Make sure they are tied tight - should feel like a part of your foot.  Also, you really need to be going fast in them.  There's a rhythm to hit where they work really well.  If you go slower than that they just feel too cushioned.  I think the real revolution here is the foam.  The plate is just necessary to make sure the foam has a bit of structure to work with.  Lots of shoes have had plates (think track spikes, for example).  I also bought a pair of the new flyknit version and like them a bit better as the upper is kind of sock-like so fits on your foot even better.  In terms of performance improvement, I feel they are the best marathon racing shoes out there, but not significantly better than other shoes.  In 2016 I ran 2:39 with normal racing flats on the same course I ran 2:37 on earlier this month.  Conditions were slightly better this year and I was in better shape as well, so I don't see the shoes really making a difference.  In 2017 on the same course (I was in similar shape to 2016 but conditions were worse) I ran 2:41 in the vaporflys.  Don't expect them to make a big difference - putting in the work is the key, as always.

I crushed my two recent workouts.  On Sunday I did 16 miles starting at ~20% slower than MP with the last 5 down to ~10% slower.  Then yesterday was a tough VO2 max workout of 3x1 miles.  I ran these miles faster than the last time I did the workout (1.5 weeks before my last marathon).  So I think I'll be signing up for the Madison marathon on 11/14.  I'll watch the weather, but right now it looks very good (30s with a chance of snow).  I like it in the 30s much more than in the 50s so should be good for me.  Since I've bagged my PR I will likely be a bit more aggressive at Madison.  Right now I'm thinking to go out in 1:16:XX.  The course is hilly with the second half much more challenging so a few minute positive split is probably the fastest way to run it.

Kram - that amount of ping does look nuts. Going to try that with my zoomfly this evening and see what it's like. I wonder if the stiffness shown in that video can be directly transferred to augment your running effort (guess that World Records say yes), I remember trying on a pair of the Adidas Springblade shoes and they were a joke despite being very bouncy.

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Weatherboy - great result. If you'd had someone chasing you or a bunch to work with I'd bet on further lump coming off that time.

Madison - be really cool to see you going again soon.

I don't take painkillers, certainly not as a prophylactic pain dampener. I know it's not directly equivalent but I see quite a few damaged kidneys and stomachs coming in through my work (pathology) so I don't touch them.

JMac - I don't know how serious the problem is, but if I start thinking about taking ibuprofen, I would first think about not running the race. Of course, a capsule or two should not make any damage, but I still would be careful.

Vaporflys - yeah, I still not comfortable to spend $250 (plus tax) for a pair of shoes - that's just crazy - one of the reasons I like this sport is because you don't need much. But I would also be lying if I say I would not want to try them one day. Will see. For now I guess as many of us here as I see I will start from little brother - Zoom Fly or maybe Zoom Flyknit when they go on sale ( hopefully).

I guess it was just a matter of time to become "mortal" again . Almost every cycle you do something that lands your hopes for at least awhile. My mistake, probably, was doing strides at the end of MLR for two days in a row - after first day it was totally fine, but last night I started to have really unpleasant pain in a lower inside part of my left foot - feels like a bruise. It's actually feels more or less OK in a shoe but pretty painful to step on without a shoe. Obviously (after some hesitation, of course ) I took a day off, I suspect I will take another day off running tomorrow too - and then will go from there. Good news - I hope it's nothing serious as I hopefully caught it at the very beginning. Second - there is still plenty of time till the race. And third - maybe it's even good I take few days off running - should not be very detrimental - of course, if the issue is not more serious then I think it is.

JMac - Thanks for the info! I hadn't realized that they had such an early cutoff for the corrals.  I assume all of that info will be with the packet pick up stuff??? As I mentioned on Strava, I get in on Saturday around midday, and will get to the expo rather soon after that. I'm scheduled on a 6:45 ferry, and last I remember, it still took about an hour to get to the village using the ferry (back in 2006).  Assuming that's the same, I should still have some time at the village before it's go time if you want to meet up.  Totally understand if you're going to be in absolute focus mode and rather not have the stress of trying to track someone down.  If I was in shape, I probably would be.

Piwi - I love the commitment to run another marathon, and that it's in Brighton makes it awesome! If I could make some other plans around it (doubtful), I'd come join you guys.

Cal - that sucks about the injury, but sounds minor.  My guess it's only a blip on your way to CIM.

My bib is 2195, if anyone was looking to track - there's another guy with my same name from Houston running NYC, and he's only one year older.  My time won't be anywhere close to sub3, but totally good with me. I'm actually feeling quite good about my running, even though I don't have much objective data to point to in support of the idea that I'm back on track. I'll do the best I can Sunday, but it's going to be a struggle no matter what after 20.  I haven't even run anything over 18 since Boston, and my 7 week average has been about 50 or just under.  Before that, I was running some zero weeks with some in the 15-30 range.

I'll try to join the forum back up in the new year. Hopefully at that point I'll be running some decent times again. I plan to train hard for the half in January, then find a spring marathon to ramp up for.

Great running all!