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Advice needed - knee pain and cracking knees (Read 834 times)

mgerwn


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    Hi all, Has anyone else had this happen? I've noticed over the past several days that I'm having this cracking noise and feeling coming from the inside of my knee joint. It feels almost like my knuckles feel when they crack, only bigger. It doesn't happen when I run; it's only when walking, and especially when I step to the left (crack from inside of right knee) or right (inside of left knee). There is no associated pain; more like a dull ache for a few seconds (again, like a cracked knuckle). Is this common, or something I should worry about? It's more prevalent for a few hours after I run, and gradually diminishes over the course of the day. I'm guessing it's mostly related to starting back running after several months off, and my body getting used to it again, plus the fact that I ran the first few days in old running shoes. But, I just wanted to check with others on here to make sure, or get it taken care of if I need to. Thanks, Michael
    Trent


    Good Bad & The Monkey

      Crepitus. A sign of arthritis.
      mgerwn


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        Crap. Guess I'll be scheduling a visit to the orthopedist. Or is there a joint specialist I should see?
        Trent


        Good Bad & The Monkey

          Ortho or sports med should be fine. You will need an exam and possibly xrays or MRI (this being America Wink)
          mgerwn


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            Thanks for the help / education. Michael
            BookaBazza


              Hmmm dont rush to conclusions about having arthritis. Without seeing you it is impossible to diagnose. Your age, weight and level of activity will help to provide a diagnosis but you could some arthritic changes or meniscal damage or simply the clicking of a ligament over a bone (as well as a few other reasons I can think of). It is worth seeing a Physio or Osteopath to assess in the first instance. A surgeon will always err towards surgery whereas physicians and manual therapists will look for other ways of treating problems. HTH


              SMART Approach

                Sounds like tendons may be going slightly off track. This is possible with muscle/knee weakness or a tracking issue. Has your training changed recently?? More pounding, more miles, more speed work??? Arthritis early symptoms tend to be knee stiffness or pain upon waking or on days with weather changes. Do you do strength work?? I would give it a couple more days and then think about a sports doc or manual physical therapist. I know a manual therapist locally that is amazing and would know instantly what this would be!!

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                rectumdamnnearkilledem

                  Sounds like tendons may be going slightly off track. This is possible with muscle/knee weakness or a tracking issue. Has your training changed recently?? More pounding, more miles, more speed work???
                  I had the OPs symptoms with a particular pair of shoes (Asics Kayanos, in this case). About 70 miles in it started...I kept running in them for about another 80 miles and things never got better--going down hills was brutal. Within probably a week of retiring the shoe my knee was "miraculously" better. However they controlled my gait was just bad...I think too much stability.

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                    I had the OPs symptoms with a particular pair of shoes (Asics Kayanos, in this case). About 70 miles in it started...I kept running in them for about another 80 miles and things never got better--going down hills was brutal. Within probably a week of retiring the shoe my knee was "miraculously" better. However they controlled my gait was just bad...I think too much stability.
                    Great point! Michael, I see your shoes have 37 miles on them. Are they new or are you new to logging on RA?

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                      I've been experiencing a similar problem with my right knee....not pain so much, just a clicking noise/sensation when walking. I don't notice it at all while running. I was also thinking it's a tracking issue and my chiropractor thinks it's just the ligament snapping over a protrusion in the bone somewhere. My concern is that this tracking issue will cause added stress/wear to the ligament over time. I've already had an ACL replacement in my right knee, so I definitely want to find the cause. I'm not sure if it's my gait or my sneakers....I am going to try a different pair of sneakers for a while and see what happens. I usually run in NB or Asics, but I recently purchased a pair of Sauconys.
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                      Giant Flaming Dork

                        I've been experiencing a similar problem with my right knee....not pain so much, just a clicking noise/sensation when walking. I don't notice it at all while running.
                        I had this when I started back up with running in February. Very careful management of easy runs and increases in milage and this is (mostly) gone now. At first it was in both knees and the sound was disturbing. Now it's only in one knee and very occasional. I think this was a tracking problem for me after being away from running for so long. MTA: splelling mitakes

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                        Trent


                        Good Bad & The Monkey

                          A surgeon will always err towards surgery whereas physicians and manual therapists will look for other ways of treating problems
                          Hmmm dont rush to conclusions
                          ...such as the conclusion that surgeons only know how to operate. The presence of joint crepitus indicates arthritis until proven otherwise. All sorts of docs can diagnose the cause of crepitus, including an orthopedic surgeon, a sports med doc, a generalist, etc. Surgeons do not all rush to the operating room, and given that there really is no operation to cure arthritis, what surgery would you suggest that orthopedic surgeons are going to err towards performing?


                          Ostrich runner

                            I had the OPs symptoms with a particular pair of shoes (Asics Kayanos, in this case). About 70 miles in it started...I kept running in them for about another 80 miles and things never got better--going down hills was brutal. Within probably a week of retiring the shoe my knee was "miraculously" better. However they controlled my gait was just bad...I think too much stability.
                            My ITBS started up on a pair of Kayanos with about 70 miles on them...and it's doing better now that I've gone back to my old 2100s, much better.

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                            mgerwn


                            Hold the Mayo

                              My shoes are new, but the problem started with my old pair, and has actually gotten better over the past couple of days. Cracking is not as frequent, and I've had no lockups in two days. I have an appointment with an ortho next week, so I'll see what he has to say. FYI, I am not doing any speedwork currently, just building base miles. I just started back running a few weeks ago (see log) after falling off the running wagon last fall, and was using my old shoes from then. Also, I revised my routes a few days ago to take out the hill I live on. Now instead of running up and down it to start out, I walk it and use that as my warmup / cooldown. So maybe that is helping some too. Once I build up my base more I'll add the hill back in.
                              Teresadfp


                              One day at a time

                                Wow, you've increased your miles a lot considering you've been running only a few weeks since fall. Could that be part of the problem? I'm glad your knees are doing a little better.
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