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Hydration during 8K? (Read 1415 times)

Spine


    Hi all, I'm wondering what runners think about drinking during an 8K race. The last one I did, there were two water stations set up, which was nice but seemed a little unnecessary for a race that takes 30-45 minutes for most people to run. I'm running another 8K this weekend. Weather should be nice and cool (Portland, OR). I'm hoping to complete it in 37:30 or so. If I don't feel particularly thirsty, is there a compelling reason to have a bit of water anyway at the 3 or 4 mile mark?
      I'd have to say there is no compelling reason at all. Most 5Ks have them too, and I guess people use them, but they sure don't seem necessary.

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      5K - 18:25 - 3/19/11
      10K - 39:38 - 12/13/09
      1/2 - 1:29:38 - 5/30/10
      Full - 3:45:40 - 5/27/07

      jEfFgObLuE


      I've got a fever...

        If I don't feel particularly thirsty, is there a compelling reason to have a bit of water anyway at the 3 or 4 mile mark?
        You certainly don't need to worry about hydration during such a short race. I do find that a quick rinse-and-spit is not a bad idea during short races if you're getting a little bit of cotton-mouth.

        On your deathbed, you won't wish that you'd spent more time at the office.  But you will wish that you'd spent more time running.  Because if you had, you wouldn't be on your deathbed.

        xor


          Drink because you are thirsty. If you are not thirsty, don't drink. This is good advice in general, but even if you still believe in the old adage that you need to stay ahead of thirst (I don't), it isn't going to be an issue in a race you plan on finishing in 30-40 minutes.

           

          Spine


            Thanks for the replies. You guys have confirmed what I was thinking.
              Drink because you are thirsty. If you are not thirsty, don't drink. This is good advice in general, but even if you still believe in the old adage that you need to stay ahead of thirst (I don't), it isn't going to be an issue in a race you plan on finishing in 30-40 minutes.
              I think it's all answered already but I sensed Srlopez is waiting for my looooooooooong post so he can fall asleep... ;o) Actually his answer SHOULD be enough; but, for some reason, I don't think that'll cut it for most of the audience ("Go by how you feel." "How many miles? How fast? Where's my Garmin???"). As far as I'm concerned, and though I'm sure some people don't like this way of explaining things, I believe it's important to explain "WHY" of things so you can "think". Why do you need to drink? So you won't dehydrate. Why do you dehydrate? Because you sweat as you exercise. Why do you sweat? You cool your body by sweating (because it takes away heat when it evaporates). Why do you sweat? Because your body produces heat when you exercise and, if you don't cool it, you over-heat. Okay, you can go on a bit more but this is a quick and dirty explanation (I'm sure someone like Trent can go on and on even further than me). So....now the question is; is your body getting over-heated by running a 5-mile race in the spring? If you live in TX and if you run over 12-minute per mile pace and if you sweat more than general, then you may actually need to take some water during a 5-mile race. As for me, I don't usually take water at all--even during my long run in the summer. If, during a race, I felt I'm getting too hot, I usually grab a cup of water and dump it over my body (usually behind the neck). To be honest with you, all those hydration issue is a lot more marketing driven than most people think. I'm not saying you don't need to drink. My wife doesn't sweat much at all--she tends to keep the heat inside. So she needs to cool herself; so she takes drinks. I sweat a lot so I'm actually a candidate for dehydration but I had faced only a few occasions that I really needed to supply extra liquid in my system. So I usually don't take it. A couple of years ago at Boston, the day before the marathon, they had a 5k race. My wife and I ran it. It was actually pretty cool and we both had to wear long sleeve T-shirts. We spotted a half a dozen people with one of those water bottle belt around their waist with 4 or 5 water bottles. I'm sure water bottle belt company made a good money right there but I don't think those runners really benefitted by wearing it that day--in fact, if anything, I'd say the extra weight slowed them down.
              xor


                You were right. I can sleep easy now! Heh.

                 

                Purdey


                Self anointed title

                  (I'm sure someone like Trent can go on and on even further than me).
                  A surprisingly tough call. My money is still on you Nobby. Wink

                   

                   

                    ...5k race....half a dozen people with one of those water bottle belt around their waist with 4 or 5 water bottles..
                    Stuff like that is basically a security blanket for people who are uncomfortable about their ability to complete the distance. 3.1 miles feels really far to the person who just completed a C25K plan, and this probably provides the mental boost they need to feel confident that they can finish. In a year they'll look back and laugh at how they used to carry a half-gallon of water on a little 5K. I know I laugh at some of my old routines.

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                    5K - 18:25 - 3/19/11
                    10K - 39:38 - 12/13/09
                    1/2 - 1:29:38 - 5/30/10
                    Full - 3:45:40 - 5/27/07

                      A surprisingly tough call. My money is still on you Nobby. Wink
                      You think? Okay, I guess I'd probably go on and on more but I saw his post on, what, something to do with oxygen uptake this and O2 and CO2 and caloric intake and outtake and backtake and this and that... I tell ya; aside from that (in my opinion) ridiculous suggestion of wearing shoes 1.5 size bigger than your actual size (not a half a size but one and a half size!), I think the guy is VERY knowledgeable and I mostly enjoy his posts...except for some like this oxygen this and that... On that same thread, I liked Mikeymile's respond much better; "Some run faster because they run faster..." (basically) Anyways, when I was writing that sweat thing, I thought I did a crappy job explaining why we sweat and thought, "Someone like Trent can actually get down to the cell-level explanation of why we sweat and he might come on and describe it much more in detail (...and more accurately, I might add)..." Anyways, Purdey; I have meant to ask you...that, what do you call it, avatar? That image you use for you ID, now she's HOT! Where did you get it? It's not you....or is it? Big grin
                        Stuff like that is basically a security blanket for people who are uncomfortable about their ability to complete the distance. 3.1 miles feels really far to the person who just completed a C25K plan, and this probably provides the mental boost they need to feel confident that they can finish. In a year they'll look back and laugh at how they used to carry a half-gallon of water on a little 5K. I know I laugh at some of my old routines.
                        I can see your point and I'd have to agree with that. I guess my point was; if I'm helping someone, or coaching someone, the confidence that I would try to develop in them would come from the knowledge that they've done everything they need to do in training to do the task. It may not necessarily just running fast; but physiologically what it takes to run 5k and do it comfortably, for example, including whether you may or may not need to carry water bottle. I'm not saying you do NOT need to carry water for 5k race. Like I said, it's not dependant on any certain numbers--5k or 5 mils or 6-minut pace or 16-minute pace. If it's hot and if you sweat a lot and if it takes a long period to do the task, you MAY actually need it. I didn't go on and on just to put someone to sleep; but I don't particularly like the answer like "Do I need water for a 5 mile race?" "No, you don't need that for a 5-mile race." Well, what if it's under 112F condition and for someone who runs 15-minute pace? I'd say take it! You've got to understand the reasoning behind it. But I also don't like the idea of commercialism sneaking in to it and, if there's any coach out there who might gets paid by those water bottle belt company (I highly doubt it but...) and they might tell their runners to carry the belt for a 2-mile race in 38F condition; I'd say bullshit! I met with this group that promote kid's exercise. Well, it turned out they don't really do any program (we have kids running program and I thought we could collaborate the effort) but help ohers to promote. And they said, "Well, maybe we can get some promotional stuff to be included in the packet for your program from one of our sponsors?" I asked which one's their sponsor and they said Pepci Cola. And the guy said, "Well, drinking a can of pop won't affect kids health..." I said, "Yes, it will," and walked out. It's not that Pepci Cola was supporting the program financially (I assume) that bugged me; but it's this guy's attitude to promote something that's not right most probably so he could kiss up to the sponsor. My mentor, Arthur Lydiard, was sponsored by a cigarett company years ago when he was promoting jogging. Nobody else at the time helped him financially. But the agreement was tha he could go around the country and tell people smoking is bad for them. He had no restriction to say what he felt is right and wrong. I actually respect this compnay.


                        Bugs

                          Hi all, I'm wondering what runners think about drinking during an 8K race. The last one I did, there were two water stations set up, which was nice but seemed a little unnecessary for a race that takes 30-45 minutes for most people to run. I'm running another 8K this weekend. Weather should be nice and cool (Portland, OR). I'm hoping to complete it in 37:30 or so. If I don't feel particularly thirsty, is there a compelling reason to have a bit of water anyway at the 3 or 4 mile mark?
                          The main reason some of those shorter races have water stations is for liability and to keep the rare complainers quiet if they went without the water breaks. Here in MN they'll even have water at winter races, that's above and beyond necessary.

                          Bugs


                          ultramarathon/triathlete

                            If it's cool out, skip the water. It's a short race.

                            HTFU?  Why not!

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                            Empire Tri Club Coach
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                            Spine


                              Hi all, The 8K was on March 15, and I happily ran past the water aid stations without slowing down. The fact that it was pouring down rain with violent gusts of wind may have contributed to my lack of thirst. In any case, my time was 39:16, which wasn't too bad for me considering my shoes and clothes were waterlogged.
                                I did my longest race a couple of weeks ago, an 8K, and there was water offered at two places. I had decided some time ago on shorter distances, that there was no need for water, but since it was 8K, and I saw that it was being given out, I thought maybe I should take advantage of it, even though I wasn't really thirsty. So I took some, and later just thought that it had slowed me down a bit, and probably next time I will just pass it by, unless I actually feel thirsty. I knew there would be water at the finish line, and that would be soon enough. I don't want water bottles hanging from my waist unless I really need it. Sometimes I take water to the woods with me, since I am out in the wilderness. Woods lady.
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