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But that doesn't explain you people. The same people who told us at the start that Rong-Way Rich was a nut job and that there's no point in engaging him ... are the ones who've created this massive ode to stupidity by engaging him.
Ugh. This thread makes my brain bleed. What the hell are you people doing? There's no point in addressing Rong-Way Rich. He's made it clear that he's nothing but some strangely fixated troll with a raging obsessive-compulsive disorder and an inability to read. As some of you told us long ago, he has zero interest in discussion, and just wants to babble endlessly and nonsensically. He's the poster child for passive-aggression. If Rich were an ice cream flavor, he'd be Pralines and dick. So enough about Rong-Way Rich. But that doesn't explain you people. The same people who told us at the start that Rong-Way Rich was a nut job and that there's no point in engaging him ... are the ones who've created this massive ode to stupidity by engaging him. You'd proven yourselves right by page 3. You win. So can we all take your initial advice and ignore him now? Because my brain is bleeding.
I think Rich just likes to start an argument when he feels bored. He sure knows which buttons to push to get people going. With well over 200 responses in less than 5 days he has managed to get what he was after.
If Rich were an ice cream flavor, he'd be Pralines and dick.
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I'm tempted to have Rich train me for several months just to see what it's like and how much faster I'll get and how my endurance improves.
Okay, that works for me.
Hypothetically if I were to give you the follwing background: Been running 2.5 years two marathons 4:52 (underprepared) 4:32 (got sick late in training, raced smart/got lucky) most recent PR: 24:06 for a 5K Done racing for the balance of this year Recently (on 3rd consecutive week) transitioned to 5 runs per week have been building mileage and working on LT lately I am primarily focusing on the marathon as my primary race distance. and you were to take a look at my log, what would you recomend my schedule be next week? Rules: Don't talk to me about physiology. I don't care about it. The only thing I care about is getting faster. If my legs improve because aliens see me running and, impressed by my efforts, beam speed molecules into my quads, that's fine. I don't care what happens to my body other than I transport myself from a to b as fast as possible. Note: I'm not comitting to this yet.
blue skies, Spend enough years on running boards, and watch Dick go through this a few dozen times. It gets old. Quick. That and I admit I have a natural low tolerance for blatantly negligent ignorance and stupidity (ie I could feel empathy for poor Dick if he was just naturally stupid, but he is consciously and purposefully ignorant, illogical, and deceitful to further his agenda).
As for Noakes, that is a whole other entertaining story. There was a great thread on letsrun a few months back where I engaged him on his Central Governor theory. First he says you can't override it (a central tenant to its legitimacy), then contradicts himself and talks about how he overroad it all the time in the Comrades Marathon. I pointed out the inherent contradiction, and he back-talked himself and stated you can't contradict it. The poor man became so turned around that he finally said his whole point to the theory was that "the brain was involved". I see why he and Dick get along so well-- they follow the same logic (or lack thereof). They suffer one of the same fatal flaws -- truth and real science play second fiddle to the attempt to create some sort of theory to play the role of legacy for themselves.
Oh SNAP!!! See Dick, Nobby hits it right on the head. The reason you can't participate in any normal threads is because people ask questions and want to hear replies....from knowledge and experience, not pseudoscientific BS that knowledgable and trusted members of the board can eat for lunch. Since you have no knowledge or experience, yet feel you are the supreme expert, you get booted right quick.
Based on a 24 minute 5K you have the speed to run sub 4 in the marathon. When do you expect/plan/want to run your next marathon?
Mid May
This could consist of, like the Patrick Sang group (independent with eg. Ismael Kirui) doing 50 minutes of 3 minute running and 1 minute easy. This is done right over the LT, but not “dying hard” like many Europeans like to do them. It is all controlled. Total mileage is somewhere between 180 km-280 km, depending on the athlete. 21 sessions, or maybe one day with easy running is normal.
When these athletes with the LT basetraining in the bottom starts to run well enough, European agents might recruit them. Then the training changes into being more of the running we are used to from European tracks. They can still do their regular 180 –280 km, but now the training is more interval based. Dr. Rosa who coaches Paul Tergat claims that in their group they do intervals every single day, including two-three track sessions a week. The five remaining sessions is then probably around their LT. In the Kim McDonald group, from the information Bob Kennedy and the Kenyan Francis Rop, much of the training consists of three hard track sessions a week. For long distance runners, for example one hill session of 10x300 m, one track session of 1600-1200-800-400-200 (Komen did that one in something like 3.52/2.51/1.51/52/24 at his best in Australia according to Bob) and then another track session of 400s, for example 4x5x400 m. The rest of the running is easy long runs, with only occational LT work – approx. mileage 180 km pr week. BUT these athletes have a broad base of LT running from a very young age. In a way, this track work is only a way of getting out that base of LT running. That might also be one of the reasons why some of the Kenyans “burn out” and disappear from the European running scene – because they simply lose some of their natural LT base.
The Kenyan secret comes from years of training at the right intensity – and a few years with harder track work. Most Europeans and Americans tend to start in the other end. At very low (and slow !) mileage they do these hard track sessions that simply kill the little endurance they have from the beginning of. The result is 15 minute 5000 m. runners training 14 sessions a week. My dramatic improvement from running 3.48 in the 1500 m/8.13 in the 3000 m. to 7.47 in the 3000/13.22 in the 5000 m. over under a year came from this LT training.