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RIP Milkman
JMac as much as I hate to say this …you don’t sound like your healed yet. I question doing any fast running. I have no idea what it is like to have the type of fitness or speed you have. That said I’ve run my best races on what most would call sharp tapers and looking back I think the time off helped far more than any fitness I “lost”. You’ve done all of the hard work needed to run a great race and a couple workouts between now and the race can’t help enough to be worth the risk. Just my 2 cents. PS I did well with Pfitz and the 4 MP was like a recovery jog compared to the daniels stuff…..
I generally do agree with this - I am not 100% healed with my hamstring even though I thought was after my Sunday long run went so well. That's why I'm abandoning LT work, which normally I would not at this point. Im going to try MP work this Sunday. if that fails too, then I'm giving up on all sharpening workouts until race day. But I think my question is more of a "if my MP work goes well Sunday" type question.
I'm being relatively smart with this entire injury. I gave up on my race, and I haven't pushed through any real pain. It sucks, but it is what it is.
5K: 16:37 (11/20) | 10K: 34:49 (10/19) | HM: 1:14:57 (5/22) | FM: 2:36:31 (12/19)
Also in a lesson of why Chicago is a total crapshoot, it's going to be 76 degrees this Sunday. I have no desire to run that race for that reason. I think it may even be worse than Boston in terms of volatility in weather, although I understand the heat training of the summer offsets that a little bit.
It’s a tough call. At least Chicago has the benefit of an early AM start. Not to mention a faster course. Here’s the historical race day weather, feel free to put it into a handy chart format for the group, since I’m too lazy.
Chicago: https://findmymarathon.com/weather-detail.php?zname=Chicago%20Marathon&year=
Boston: https://findmymarathon.com/weather-detail.php?zname=Boston%20Marathon&year=
Dave
Mmmm Bop
Steve - You need to fire your nutritionist and ask Cal to look at your food diary and adjust it accordingly. He can also help fine tune your taper next marathon.
Fishyone - There’s something fishy going on with that MP run.
Milkman - Damn a hamstring niggle is soo frustrating when you need to get a few more faster workouts in but hopefully you can manage some MP and salvage the marathon. 👍
5k - 17:53 (4/19) 10k - 37:53 (11/18) Half - 1:23:18 (4/19) Full - 2:50:43 (4/19)
Hot Weather Complainer
Steve - You need to fire your nutritionist
5km: 18:34 11/23 │ 10km: 39:10 8/23 │ HM: 1:26:48 9/23 │ M: 3:34:49 6/23
2024 Races:
Motorway Half Marathon February 25, 2024 1:29:55
Christchurch Half-Marathon April 21, 2024 1:27:34
Selwyn Marathon June 2, 2024
Dunedin Half Marathon September 15, 2024
She also asked if my sweat is "salty" - I don't know if it's more than average, or how to measure it, but after that last long run when I got severe cramps afterwards, I had a layer of salt on my face, salt lines on my shirt and even my shoes.
I feel you've answered your own question here! Don't think I've ever had salt lines on my shoes!
Maybe we could have a forum survey on salty sweat?
50+ age-group PBs: Half Perish 1:24:24 (June '23 Road Race) - 10km 37:52 (2022 Local Road Champs) - Track 5km 18:49 (Aug '22) - Perish Run 3:17:42
2024 Goals: Boston Perish Run Sub 3:15 - Road/Track 10km Sub 37:30 - 5km Sub 18:20
A good week of training in the bag... decent workouts Wed (20 min build into 5 x 4 min hard / 1 min easy) and Sat (6 x 800, 5 x 400), and my best LR in a while on Sunday too. It was perfect weather out there for a good LR too, exactly like they probably now won't get for Auckland Marathon next Sunday with cool temps, clear skies and no wind. Feels like everything is starting to really click and I'm excited to race in a couple of weeks despite the fairly short build-up. To top it all off, I managed to score bib #1 for Southern Lakes Half Marathon next May.
3,000m: 9:07.7 (Nov-21) | 5,000m: 15:39 (Dec-19) | 10,000m: 32:34 (Mar-20)
10km: 33:15 (Sep-19) | HM: 1:09:41 (May-21)* | FM: 2:41:41 (Oct-20)
* Net downhill course
Last race: Waterfront HM, 7 Apr, 1:15:48
Up next: Runway5, 4 May
"CONSISTENCY IS KING"
JMac - I hope you manage to work through this and get a good marathon. So frustrating this is happening again.
me - Another building week, feeling pretty good now except the niggle in my quad which seems to join up with a sore hamstring after a run. This makes it pretty obvious that whatever this tiny strain is, it was linked to the cramping in the race.
Damn Mark that’s some nice work! Many, many fast miles there.
Steve good rebuild. Who was the heavy sweater on the forum? JMac was it you?
Mikey I’m breaking the new “cal code of silence” I knew I should have kept it inside! Now I’m gonna get all these crazy ideas put in my head that I’m capable of some fast marathon time…
Dave the fluctuation in temps for both of these races is maddening! I’m tempted to find a cool march marathon then run Boston as a “fun run” or maybe go out at 10k pace and pace the first few miles of the Cal vs mikey showdown…
5K 18:36 (2023), 10K 39:40 (2022), 1/2 1:24:37 (2023), full 2:58:36 (2015)
Dave the fluctuation in temps for both of these races is maddening! I’m tempted to find a cool march marathon then run Boston as a “fun run”
I highly recommend this. Boston is a tough course to run fast even if you do get lucky on weather. But it’s such an amazing race environment that you should be able to appreciate more if you’re just jogging it. The first half when I was feeling good was the most fun I’ve ever had in a race. I don’t regret racing it hard, because I was in good shape and that’s what we do. But I totally missed out on the experience of the last several miles through Boston, due to being in tunnel vision/death march mode—it was all just a blur.
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Steve/Mark - that’s interesting. There’s definitely some body language clues that are lost in video calls. I suppose when I think there’s pretty much no difference between a zoom call and a meeting in person it probably means I’m missing a ton of subtle stuff.
I had one zoom call with my coach at the very beginning and now everything is via comments on workouts on the Final Surge platform.
Steve - thanks for the reminder, like the good Brazilian that I am I have expertly side stepped my home work.
Fishy - So long as you didn’t have to go to the well for that you should be fine
me - A slightly more boring week, trending in the right direction.
The 2 hour long run today was not so hard as last Sunday.
quad/iliopsoas Niggle is still bothering me at every run. I took Monday off of strength training, then had a light mobility routine on Friday.
I also took a muscle relaxant pill for 3 days in a row now.
I went to the PT on Wed, the diagnosis is the usual: weak glutes lead to piriformis and especially quads and iliopsoas (pant's front pocket region) overexerting until they eventually strain. It's no wonder I always have massive quad soreness after a half and that the quads are the first to crap out during marathons.
I just hope I manage to keep running until the race in 2 weeks.
PRs: 1500 4:54.1 2019 - 5K 17:53 2023 - 10K 37:55 2023 - HM 1:21:59 2021
Up next: some 800m race (or time trials) / Also place in the top 20% in a trail race
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Steve/Mark - that’s interesting. There’s definitely some body language clues that are lost in video calls. I suppose when I think there’s pretty much no difference between a zoom call and a meeting in person it probably means I’m missing a ton of subtle stuff. I had one zoom call with my coach at the very beginning and now everything is via comments on workouts on the Final Surge platform.
I’ve only had one zoom call experience which was during lockdown. It was a speed awareness course (in the UK you can go on this course rather than get points on your driving license). It was all going great…until the instructor asked me a question and I hadn’t a fucking clue how to answer as I hadn’t been paying attention to what he was saying. You can’t teach an old dog new tricks and I’m still riding way too fast on my motorbike.
Fishyone - Have you registered for Boston next year? That would be really cool. 👍
Flavio not sure how deep my well is these days so there's no worries about that!!
Mikkey Yes, I'm registered again. This will be Boston # 6 and I'm looking forward to it. It is my local race so it's almost mandatory Of course everyone who knows I'm a runner asks "are you running Boston?" always followed by "Who are you running for (charity)?" which is almost always followed by "Wow, how many miles is that?"
Mikkey Yes, I'm registered again. This will be Boston # 6 and I'm looking forward to it. It is my local race so it's almost mandatory
LOL obv I had no idea, and now feel like an idiot giving you advice on how to take in the Boston experience. Please ignore.
No worries Dave!! you had no way of knowing and believe me, your advice is very welcome. The only thing I've learned from Boston so far is it is a great course IF you're trained properly, IF you pace it correctly AND IF the weather is perfect (like 2015)..... other than that it's just another point to point downhill jog....