At what distance/duration, do I start adding more than gels and water during run? (Read 293 times)

The only reason 2:4x guys that have never run past 26.2 miles come into these threads is to give advice about something they have never done (and claim to never want to do) or to mock the people that run long distances with some buffet/hiker crap. Are you going to eventually get around to this or keep us hanging?

I ran 34 in September, Hector himself called his long trips a "run/hike", and maybe I debuted at 2:4x because I actually thought about and planned my nutrition ahead of time.

 

I ran 34 in September, Hector himself called his long trips a "run/hike", and maybe I debuted at 2:4x because I actually, you know, thought about and planned my nutrition ahead of time.

What does your stomach feel like at hour seven?  What are the particular fueling issues that you face?  You don't think knowing that first hand is legitimate in this discussion?

My previous comment was more directed at Mike and all the people that have popped their opinions into countless ultra threads on how to race (and then mocking them by implying they aren't runners) for years and years now (a particular batch of advice for mile 80 of a mountain 100 comes to mind).  It is the equivalent of me giving advice to pole vaulters or aspiring sub 4 minute milers.

You running a 2:4x is not a knock, it is more pointing out that that particular group tends to be a bunch of LR types. So I guess it is a knock.

Jebus, the Bears looked like shite last night.

Also too, sup 2:4X guys?

What's the difference between a porcupine and a Porsche?

The Porsche has the pricks on the inside.

[gratuitous pot-stirring]

 

 

Less significant doesn't mean insignificant.  And if you are working hard enough that you're getting nauseous, then your body is not able to eat real food, so don't eat it.

 

Since Hector's saying that he's recovering from these runs in 3-4 days, I doubt he's slamming himself as hard as he can for these runs, like you are when you're racing a 24 hour.  He has more leeway to experiment with suboptimal fuels (from an efficiency standpoint) that can make his runs more enjoyable (imo having a completely empty stomach except for Gels and gatorade after 3 hours of activity with 4 hours still to go just sucks).

You are correct in assuming that the only 6 hr run that I did, I did not care about pace. I do not race and my goal on long runs is to to keep moderate effort and have fun.

On an average I run 3-4 hours a week.  My two longest run/hikes are:

~4 hour, ~21 mile, ~3000 ft of elevation gain in June 2014

~6.5 hour, ~ 31 mile, ~2700 ft of elevation gain in Oct 2014

 

Both these run/hikes, I carried water and had a gel every 40-45 minutes. It went fine and I recovered in 3-4 days. I got cramps in last 40 minutes or so during 50k run, but I think it is because I never experienced being on my feet for that long and experience would make it better.

 

I am thinking about going for 7 hour or so after 3-4 months or so. Do I need to think about more than water and gels for that? If so, what do I need? Why? What works for you?

 

I do long runs every 2-3 weeks between 2-3 hours and usually carry water and chocolate. I use gels instead of chocolates once in a while.

You can always your long run like a cyclist does a long ride. Stop for a casual coffee and snack then sit about as it digests once or twice on your trek. It's not a race so what's the rush?

Often cyclists will stop during their long rides, sit down, and have a coffee and snack. It's not unusual. Seems like a casual way to break up a day of activity and refuel. That's what I'm saying.

Much of of the advice you are getting is about racing. You never said you were looking for fueling advice for racing.