Sub 1:30 Half Marathon 2021 Edition (Read 428 times)

CommanderKeen


Aspiring Hobby Jogger

    Last night I got an email from the RD of my 10k tomorrow that caused some slight panic until I opened it and discovered it was only directions on how to avoid some road construction.
    Looking at the entrants list (5k & 10k) I only see one name I recognize - a local-ish guy who's between JMac and Mark speed-wise.
    The forecasted temperature is looking ever-so-slightly better than earlier in the week, but a big oversight on my part is that the dew point should be a good deal lower than typical, so the Kiwi Point should be a manageable 125-ish! Really looking forward to this one.

    5k: 18:14 11/21 │ 10k: 37:55 9/21 │ HM: 1:24:16 11/19 │ M: 3:04:13 11/18

     

    Upcoming Races:

     

    12/4 - Tucson Marathon?

    12/5 - California International Marathon

    zebano


      Excellent news on the kiwi-point Keen! Go crush it, looks like your strategy is to roll with the speedster for as long as possible! 

       

      I seem to have a cold or sinus infection. Ugg. Not sure if I'm still going to race tomorrow or not. I'm strongly considering just taking 3 days off but also leaning toward racing, and then doing that.

       

      Good luck with your mile Darkwave! Do you get to run with the elites?

      1600 - 5:23 (2018), 5k - 19:33 (2018), 10k - 41:20 (2021), half - 1:38:57 (2018), Marathon - 3:37:17 (2018)

      darkwave


      Mother of Cats

         

         

        Good luck with your mile Darkwave! Do you get to run with the elites?

         

        Thanks!  Nope.  40-49 heat (which in 2019 included former Olympian Jen Rhines, as well as Roberta Groner, who represented the US at the 2019 World Championships in the marathon).  So possibility of elite competition.

         

        I was a bit bummed they combined men and women (and non-binary) into one heat - one of the great things about this race in years past was getting to compete in a big competitive field of exclusively my age group peers.  OTOH, looks like we may have a significant headwind this year, so having a bunch of guys to block the wind won't be a bad thing.

         

        ***

         

        Other notes:  JTReeves - my comments about goal marathon pace actually were not directed at you, but rather at so many people throughout the years that I have trained with who seem to believe that if it's a "Marathon Pace" workout, and they can sustain a certain pace for that workout, then that pace is their "marathon pace."  If only it worked that way.

         

        Re: Marby's point on "which part of the marathon effort" - to me marathon effort is defined by the majority of the marathon - miles 6-20 ish. As for training for how hard things get at the end of a marathon?  I don't think running your marathon workouts too hard is how you prep for that.  I think doing some intervals and tempos and a race or two during your cycle is how you prep for that.

         

        Like Jmac, I don't buy into the importance of "marathon pace mechanics."  There's not that much difference, biomechanically, between 6:40 pace and 7:10 pace, for example.  (I think practicing the mechanics of race pace gets more important in the short stuff - mile and shorter).  And I've known a few people who have trained at a "marathon pace" that ended up somewhat slower than what they ran on race day.  One recent example is a woman on my team who ran 2:43 to OTQ back in 2019.  She did all of her marathon pace workouts with a friend of mine who was going for sub-3:00.  I don't think her "marathon pace" was ever faster than 6:40 during any workout.  And yet she ran 2:43 on race day.  (and no, that wasn't a surprise at all - she was a former Division 1 runner who was running with the OTQ as her goal).

         

        People keep thinking that it's better to err on the side of being a bit fast during marathon pace workouts.  When what I've seen time and time again is that it's better to err on the side of being a bit slow - you have much more room for error there, and less potential for damage.

         

        I think that locking in marathon pace effort (that rate of breathing, heart rate, rhythm, during the majority of the marathon) is much more important than practicing the mechanics of a certain running speed.

        Everyone's gotta running blog; I'm the only one with a POOL-RUNNING blog.

         

        And...if you want a running Instagram where all the pictures are of cats, I've got you covered.

        darkwave


        Mother of Cats

          CK- good luck tomorrow!

          Everyone's gotta running blog; I'm the only one with a POOL-RUNNING blog.

           

          And...if you want a running Instagram where all the pictures are of cats, I've got you covered.

          JMac11


          Milkman

            DW posting marathon pace comments here. The lure of the Kiwis is too strong!

            5K: 16:37 (11/20)  |  10K: 34:49 (10/19)  |  HM: 1:15:00 (10/21)  |  FM: 2:36:31 (12/19) 

             

            Next Race: Unknown 

            darkwave


            Mother of Cats

              DW posting marathon pace comments here. The lure of the Kiwis is too strong!

               

              Whooops.  I'll copy that over....

              Everyone's gotta running blog; I'm the only one with a POOL-RUNNING blog.

               

              And...if you want a running Instagram where all the pictures are of cats, I've got you covered.

                Darkwave will you be bringing the Takumi Sens out for this one ? They work for Nick Willis 

                 

                Keen good luck. Maybe don't try and keep up with that guy if he's halfway between Mark and Jmac 

                 

                Zeb hope that sinus thing clears up.

                 

                Have a great weekend everyone 😀

                50+ PBs -  

                5k 18.21 Hagley Parkrun  July 21      82.27 % age grade

                10k TT 37.21 may 2nd 2021 strava run 82.51 % age grade

                Half marathon  1.23.30 may 21 80.11 % age grade

                " If you don't use it you lose it,  but if you use it, it wears out.

                Somewhere in between is about right "      

                 

                Marky_Mark_17


                  Keen - all the best for the 10k! Fingers crossed for good conditions. If there’s someone quick, it might be worth sitting on them for a minute or two at the start and then you can figure out if that’s too hot or not. For all you know he might be cruising it or using it as tempo prep for a longer race.

                   

                  Dwave - FWIW I agree with you in terms of running to marathon effort rather than pace in training, the same is true for me for HM effort / pace also.

                  5,000m: 15:39 (Dec-19) | 10,000m: 32:34 (Mar-20) | 10km: 33:15 (Sep-19) 

                  HM: 1:09:41 (May-21)* | FM: 2:41:41 (Oct-20)

                  * Net downhill course

                  Last race: McKinnon Shield #1 3000m, 9:07.7 (PB) (Nov-21)

                  Up next: Run Orewa 10km, 16 Jan

                  "CONSISTENCY IS KING"

                  watsonc123


                    Darkwave - good luck on the Mile?  Even though the wrong thread, your post as always has knowledge.  And more importantly, what shoes tomorrow?

                     

                    Keen - good luck.

                    PRs: 5km 18:43 (Dec 2015), 10km 39:59 (Sep 2020), half 1:26:16 (Sep 2016), full 3:09:28 (Jun 2015)

                     

                    40+ PRs: 5km 19:31 (Oct 2020), 10km 39:59 (Sep 2020), half 1:29:39 (Jun 2018)

                    CommanderKeen


                    Aspiring Hobby Jogger

                      Thanks, all!


                      Zebano - Good luck getting rid of that sinus infection, and the race as well if you decide to run it.


                      DWave - Best of luck in the mile! Looking forward to that RR.

                      5k: 18:14 11/21 │ 10k: 37:55 9/21 │ HM: 1:24:16 11/19 │ M: 3:04:13 11/18

                       

                      Upcoming Races:

                       

                      12/4 - Tucson Marathon?

                      12/5 - California International Marathon

                      darkwave


                      Mother of Cats

                        My shoes for the mile...I'm going to throw a curveball and go with....

                         

                        The Puma Deviate Nitro Elite.

                         

                        I did a bunch of 100m strides on the track today, swapping out various pairs of shoes, and liked them the best.

                         

                        Unfortunately, I do not have a currently usable pair of Takumi Sens that fit me.  Just an old broken pair that fit perfectly, a pair that is too small, and a pair that is too big.

                        Everyone's gotta running blog; I'm the only one with a POOL-RUNNING blog.

                         

                        And...if you want a running Instagram where all the pictures are of cats, I've got you covered.

                        Marky_Mark_17


                          Good luck for the mile DWave.  May the random pair of shoes serve you well!

                          5,000m: 15:39 (Dec-19) | 10,000m: 32:34 (Mar-20) | 10km: 33:15 (Sep-19) 

                          HM: 1:09:41 (May-21)* | FM: 2:41:41 (Oct-20)

                          * Net downhill course

                          Last race: McKinnon Shield #1 3000m, 9:07.7 (PB) (Nov-21)

                          Up next: Run Orewa 10km, 16 Jan

                          "CONSISTENCY IS KING"

                          darkwave


                          Mother of Cats

                            Thank you!

                            Everyone's gotta running blog; I'm the only one with a POOL-RUNNING blog.

                             

                            And...if you want a running Instagram where all the pictures are of cats, I've got you covered.

                              DW good luck with the race!

                              PR's

                              1m  5:38 (2018)

                              5k    19:59 (2019)

                              HM  1:33:56 (2018)

                              FM  3:23:07 (2018)

                              JamesD


                              JamesD

                                Keen/darkwave - Hope your races go/went well!  Looking forward to the RRs.

                                 

                                Me - Nothing much noteworthy.  Was surprised at how sore my legs were for a couple of days after Wednesday’s run, which was longer than I had gone in a while but not by enough that it should’ve mattered.  Summer is definitely over, as morning low temperatures are now around 68/20.

                                 

                                Sun - 6.2 very slow (72 mins) on treadmill after Saturday's tempo

                                Mon - 9.4 miles in park @ 8:27

                                Tues - off

                                Weds - 11 in park @ 8:41

                                Thurs - 6.2 very slow (72 mins) on treadmill

                                Fri - 7.8 in park @ 8:43, sore

                                Sat - off

                                 

                                Total - 40.6 miles

                                YTD average - 45.3 mpw

                                Post-1987 PRs:  Half 1:30:14 (2019); 10K 39:35 (2019); 5K 19:12 (2017); Mile 5:37.3 (April '20)

                                2021 Goals:  Stay healthy, 40+ mpw, Half<1:30; a PR or 80% age-grade (81.75% 5K Oct. 2)