Sub 1:30 Half Marathon in 2020 (Read 618 times)

JamesD


JamesD

     

     

    James -  ...I'm a little weirded out how having a wet shirt would cause you to stop a run, do you not sweat ? My shirts are almost always soaked by the end of a run.

     

     

     

    Well, I don't sweat a lot on easy runs in cool weather, even long ones.  However, the main issue is that I get cold very easily (probably bc I'm skinny, and being older doesn't help).  In colder weather, when I'm wearing a water-resistant layer over another layer, the insulation usually keeps me warm enough even if the inner layer gets damp from sweat and the outer layer gets moderately wet from rain.  On the day in question, though, the sudden rain was heavy enough that both layers, and all of me, were drenched after half a mile.  With the strong winds and low-50s temperatures, I might've been better off running shirtless than in two soaked layers, but either way, continuing at an easy pace for nearly two hours would've had me shivering quickly, and sick not long afterwards.  Once I got in the car, dried off, and changed shirts and the rain eased up to just steady, I was fine.

    Post-1987 PRs:  Half 1:30:14 (2019); 10K 39:35 (2019); 5K 19:12 (2017); Mile 5:37.3 (2020)

    '24 Goals: consistency, age-graded PRs, half < 1:32

    CommanderKeen


    Cobra Commander Keen

      JMac - Glad you're about over the flu.
      I'm not sure on people trying to stock up on things like TP and water (haven't heard of most people stocking food) for the virus. I have probably a dozen cases of bottled water and a good amount of canned foods, but that's just general "I live in tornado alley" stuff.


      DWave - Glad the sacrum business is improving. How long has similar stuff taken to get resolved before? I'm still dealing with a bit of the nerve stuff that cropped up the few days before Ft. Worth, but it's less and less most every day now.


      Diet stuff - I certainly like fish, but I couldn't use that for my sole source of animal protein. There's no way I could physically eat enough vegetables to meet my caloric needs when running higher volumes. Thankfully my parents still have a little ranching operation which helps with keeping the freezer full. Can anyone else show on a map exactly where their food comes from?


      Piwi - Excellent in bringing up the Gaga rule for Brew's 5k. And nice on your own sub-20 in training.

      5k: 17:58 11/22 │ 10k: 37:55 9/21 │ HM: 1:23:22 4/22 │ M: 2:56:05 12/22

       

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      JMac11


      RIP Milkman

        Thankfully my parents still have a little ranching operation which helps with keeping the freezer full. Can anyone else show on a map exactly where their food comes from?

         

         

        That's pretty awesome. My lower animal intake is both about health, but also about animal welfare. Factory farming is just gut wrenching. The fact that you get your meat from a ranch is just amazing. One of the benefits of living in the middle of the country!

         

        Piwi - I forgot to comment: looks like you're in one of your phases where you enjoy running! Maybe get a Park Run in while you're in this mood, I know how quickly it fades. I'm always amazed at how well your fitness sticks around.

        5K: 16:37 (11/20)  |  10K: 34:49 (10/19)  |  HM: 1:14:57 (5/22)  |  FM: 2:36:31 (12/19) 

         

         

        darkwave


        Mother of Cats


          DWave - Glad the sacrum business is improving. How long has similar stuff taken to get resolved before? I'm still dealing with a bit of the nerve stuff that cropped up the few days before Ft. Worth, but it's less and less most every day now.

           

          It can clear up very quickly, as soon as I take the pressure off the nerves.  However, it can also reoccur.  I had an ongoing bout of recurring injuries that ended up being linked to my lower back/sacrum - basically a nerve was getting irritated, throwing off my gait subtly, and then the gait irregularities got me injured.   The underlying cause ended up being lax ligaments in my SI joint and lumbar region that let everything move around too much  - I got those tightened up with prolotherapy (sugar water injections that irritate the tissue and tighten it up), and then that whole area was more stable, and everything else evaporated.

           

          I'm thinking it might be time to revisit that.  It's been a few years since I got my last set of back injections, and I'm wondering if things are starting to get too loose again.

           

          As for farming - I'd dearly love a future where we can grow animal meat without the heads, i.e. Warren Ellis.  I really hate the fact that I have to eat so much animal meat, because I share Jmac's concerns.  OTOH. I really don't function well at all without it - it's very hard to be a vegetarian/vegan when you can't tolerate lactose, legumes, nuts, soy, or gluten.  And....I'm also a cat lover, and cats are obligate carnivores.

          Everyone's gotta running blog; I'm the only one with a POOL-RUNNING blog.

           

          And...if you want a running Instagram where all the pictures are of cats, I've got you covered.

          zebano


             

            Zebano / Rakers - Beets are cool, but so are other foods. A varied diet is key for a good immune system.

             

            Zebano - I totally flag activities like that , but only when they’re in my way when I want to conquer a Strava segment.

             

            Have you guys considered going fishetarian instead?

            Anyway, if you do go vegetarian make sure to top up in vitamin B12 + any other vitamins a good nutritionist recommends.

            Meat has important nutrients not found in plants.

            FYI, there’s a responsible way of consuming meat which is to purchase local from local farms.

            At least in major cities that is a very convenient endeavour and a good compromise.

             

             

            After thinking about it more and reading some counterpoints to the show sink in I don't think I'll be making any major changes to my diet, just abstaining from meat 1-2 times per week, mostly on account of the environmental impact of raising livestock (and now that winter is over, I need to get back to bike commuting for similar reasons). Prior to this, my main dietary push was "more vegetables" but I think mrakers has it right that the thing I Really Really need is to stop snacking. I'm not sure why I'm worrying much as my weight is dropping right now (I'm below 160! for the first time since 2018!!) but I've also been on a Bagel and Lox kick for lunch, I love me some salmon, unfortunately eating that every day is just as pricey as going out to eat =( Fishetarian would totally be up my alley, but not my wifes so it's a bit of a non-starter.

             

            LIte-Beer-Virus - I'm continuing to always wash my hands after going to the bathroom, because I'm not a disgusting person.

             

            Piwi - nice job running sub 20 in training.

             

            Darkwave - very interesting that your diet is so different from the typical runners. Do you know perchance if you were anemic?  You have some stellar cross training habits, that's got to make maintaining fitness through injury really easy.

             

            JamesD - Just to be clear I wasn't trying to be insulting, do what works for you. I just happen to want to go shirtless anytime the weather tops 50. It was raining and 40F yesterday and I have an amazing, super thin wicking baselayer that I put on and layer a couple things over and it works out great, but prior to figuring that  out (+ a hat to keep rain out of the eyes) cold and rainy used to drive me to the treadmill.

             

            Keen - I've bought some cow straight from the farm before and I'm amazed at the quality differences that can occur. Our second freezer-full (quarter of a cow) was such terrible meat that it took use 3 times as long to use it up and I think we threw some out.

            1600 - 5:23 (2018), 5k - 19:33 (2018), 10k - 41:20 (2021), half - 1:38:57 (2018), Marathon - 3:37:17 (2018)

            Running Problem


            Problem Child

              Can anyone else show on a map exactly where their food comes from?

               

              Yeah actually I can.

               Brew I think if you dont run sub 19 then rule 85 should apply that states anybody on here who doesnt run a sub 20 5k must dress as lady Gaga for their next run.

               

              I'm just in a bad spot mentally and it's kind of started after last week's blown up workout and hast me wondering if 6:26/mi isn't sustainable for three miles with a jogging rest how is a 6:05 going to be sustainable for an entire 5k?

               

              The Lady GAGA Which year/outfit? The inflatable start might be a  challenge. 2009 VMA Red Mask might be possible due to breath-ability. Her performance with Metallica might be kind of easier. I might need some help sourcing materials like a massive wig, awesome eyelashes, boots, makeup, and a stellar outfit. I have the dance moves down *sings poke her face* PA PA PA POKE HER FACE PA PA POKER FACE.

              Many of us aren't sure what the hell point you are trying to make and no matter how we guess, it always seems to be something else. Which usually means a person is doing it on purpose.

              VDOT 53.37 

              5k18:xx | Marathon 2:55:22

              JMac11


              RIP Milkman

                 

                Yeah actually I can.

                 

                 

                So. Many. Casinos.

                 

                also, you need to stop sandbagging, embrace BOTT, and go out and run a good race.

                5K: 16:37 (11/20)  |  10K: 34:49 (10/19)  |  HM: 1:14:57 (5/22)  |  FM: 2:36:31 (12/19) 

                 

                 

                Running Problem


                Problem Child

                   

                  So. Many. Casinos.

                   

                  also, you need to stop sandbagging, embrace BOTT, and go out and run a good race.

                   

                  You were saying? If I counted the number of places you could buy lottery tickets you'd probably beat out Jackpot on a square mile comparison. Jackpot is under 4 square miles. Imagine your 8E + 4x2T + 2E workout THERE in summer time.

                   

                  BOTT? quit living in the past. But seriously....I'm doubting it mostly because of how much the workout sucked and the weather wasn't even a factor. I'm going to try for 6:07ish or whatever 19 minutes is and go checkers or wreckers. It might not look pretty though.

                  Many of us aren't sure what the hell point you are trying to make and no matter how we guess, it always seems to be something else. Which usually means a person is doing it on purpose.

                  VDOT 53.37 

                  5k18:xx | Marathon 2:55:22

                    Jmac I ran 16 weeks at 25mpw. Its interesting to see that it maintains a little fitness.

                     

                    DW I put out my SI joint a couple of years ago. I was coming out of an attic down onto my ladder and when I unweighted off my arms and then weighted back onto the ladder it put that joint out. It was really sore but my PT found it easily as that side of me had dropped down.

                     

                    Keen great to know where your meat comes from and that it had a good life. Tornado valley would keep you on your toes ! We have tsunami evacuation signs everywhere.  My wife has an emergency box made up.

                     

                    Zebano you are in Iowa ? Can you get the American Pickers autographs for me 

                     

                    Brew this one will do

                    55+ PBs 5k 18:36 June 3rd TT

                    " If you don't use it you lose it,  but if you use it, it wears out.

                    Somewhere in between is about right "      

                     

                    zebano


                       

                      Yeah actually I can.

                      I'm just in a bad spot mentally and it's kind of started after last week's blown up workout and hast me wondering if 6:26/mi isn't sustainable for three miles with a jogging rest how is a 6:05 going to be sustainable for an entire 5k?

                       

                      The Lady GAGA Which year/outfit? The inflatable start might be a  challenge. 2009 VMA Red Mask might be possible due to breath-ability. Her performance with Metallica might be kind of easier. I might need some help sourcing materials like a massive wig, awesome eyelashes, boots, makeup, and a stellar outfit. I have the dance moves down *sings poke her face* PA PA PA POKE HER FACE PA PA POKER FACE.

                       

                      Clearly the meat dress, it's the epitome of GAGA

                       

                      Are you at all overtrained? I find that when I get deep into training, especially if I'm not keeping up on sleep, my mood can really take a turn for the worse.

                       

                      Finally, race day magic (adrenaline + taper + competition + the right mental attitude) is real. The first time I broke 20, I had been running a bunch of 5k effort fartleks like 4x5 min, 5x4 min and 5x5 min (3 min jog) and I was struggling to break 7min/mile during those.

                       

                      Piwi - I had to google who the Pickers are.... I'm sure I'll never recognize them on the street if they even live/work here anymore but yes I'm in Iowa.

                       

                      Piwi - 25mpw goes a surprisingly long ways  as does xtraining. In Jan '16 I ran 25 miles total but supplemented with cycling and swimming In the first 3 weeks of Feb I ran 70 miles then PR'd in a half marathon despite telling myself I was running it "for fun" and to not get injured. Of course, that's easier when 1:55 is a PR but  ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

                      1600 - 5:23 (2018), 5k - 19:33 (2018), 10k - 41:20 (2021), half - 1:38:57 (2018), Marathon - 3:37:17 (2018)

                      Running Problem


                      Problem Child

                        Zebano I honestly doubt I'm over trained just because I'm still riding the benefits from my marathon training and haven't been doing more than 1 workout a week with a long run around 100 minutes or less. 40-50 miles a week for about a month or two. I think my mood is just about the week seeming like it was piling stuff on and I wasn't getting a moment where things started looking up or there was an end in sight. Just accepting the misery of every day as "well someone has to do it. Might as well be me so no one else has to."

                         

                        Piwi I like it. A little too much. I'll have to find out where I can get the wig.

                         

                        I think the meat dress would work for St. Patricks Day. Corned beef anyone?

                        Many of us aren't sure what the hell point you are trying to make and no matter how we guess, it always seems to be something else. Which usually means a person is doing it on purpose.

                        VDOT 53.37 

                        5k18:xx | Marathon 2:55:22

                        JMac11


                        RIP Milkman

                          NYC half just got cancelled. Gotta figure out my options here. I want to race something with this fitness! Going to have to find something in the suburbs.

                          5K: 16:37 (11/20)  |  10K: 34:49 (10/19)  |  HM: 1:14:57 (5/22)  |  FM: 2:36:31 (12/19) 

                           

                           

                          Marky_Mark_17


                            NYC half just got cancelled. Gotta figure out my options here. I want to race something with this fitness! Going to have to find something in the suburbs.

                             

                            My brother just messaged that to me as well.  I'm gutted for him as he hasn't run a half marathon in probably 15 years and he was definitely excited for it.

                             

                            Southern Lakes HM entries are still open if you want to come join me though?

                            3,000m: 9:07.7 (Nov-21) | 5,000m: 15:39 (Dec-19) | 10,000m: 32:34 (Mar-20)  

                            10km: 33:15 (Sep-19) | HM: 1:09:41 (May-21)* | FM: 2:41:41 (Oct-20)

                            * Net downhill course

                            Last race: Runway5 / National 5k Champs, 16:22, National Masters AG Champ!

                            Up next: Still working on that...

                            "CONSISTENCY IS KING"

                            JMac11


                            RIP Milkman

                              Sorry to hear that Mark, I didn't know he was signed up, did you mention that?? Either way, it looks like he can defer to next year and pay the fee again: real good deal NYRR! However, they're actually giving a full refund if you fully cancel and don't defer to next year. I will certainly be taking that route.

                               

                              It's a real shame. It's not a "PR" course given the bridge, and the fact that there always seems to be a headwind (it was in the forecast again this year, albeit it light), but the weather otherwise looked pretty good: upper 30's/low 40's.

                               

                              I just signed up for something on March 22, as it's the only half marathon either this weekend or next within about 3 hours drive of me, so I've got all of my cards played for this one. If THIS fails, I'm screwed.

                              5K: 16:37 (11/20)  |  10K: 34:49 (10/19)  |  HM: 1:14:57 (5/22)  |  FM: 2:36:31 (12/19) 

                               

                               

                              Marky_Mark_17


                                Sorry to hear that Mark, I didn't know he was signed up, did you mention that?? Either way, it looks like he can defer to next year and pay the fee again: real good deal NYRR! However, they're actually giving a full refund if you fully cancel and don't defer to next year. I will certainly be taking that route.

                                 

                                I don't think I did actually - I'd actually forgotten about it until he messaged me.  He lives in Dobbs Ferry, NY - not too far from New Rochelle, NY, which I think is basically the epicenter of the US outbreak.

                                 

                                Seems like a lot of the restrictions are based on targeting larger events so if you can find a smaller one, you're hopefully good to go.

                                3,000m: 9:07.7 (Nov-21) | 5,000m: 15:39 (Dec-19) | 10,000m: 32:34 (Mar-20)  

                                10km: 33:15 (Sep-19) | HM: 1:09:41 (May-21)* | FM: 2:41:41 (Oct-20)

                                * Net downhill course

                                Last race: Runway5 / National 5k Champs, 16:22, National Masters AG Champ!

                                Up next: Still working on that...

                                "CONSISTENCY IS KING"