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    Yes, Dave... Of course you did. My apologies... 

     

    I'M UPDATING MY LOG NOW.

    Dave

    happylily


      Can someone explain in small words, what the age equivalent is good for?  Yeah, so if I had been running at age 30, I could have done a HM in 1:39.  So?

       

      So you can compare yourself to the poor 30 year old sucker who can't run a 1:39 HM, like you most probably would have at his/her age. Where is your competitive spirit?  Races are all about comparing yourself to others. At least to me, they are.

      PRs: Boston Marathon, 3:27, April 15th 2013

              Cornwall Half-Marathon, 1:35, April 27th 2013

      18 marathons, 18 BQs since 2010

        Can someone explain in small words, what the age equivalent is good for?  Yeah, so if I had been running at age 30, I could have done a HM in 1:39.  So?

         

        Indeed. Just something to help make us old folks feel better about ourselves. Presumably some calculation like this is used for setting the Boston qualifying standards, so there's that. There must be other things, but I don't know what they are.

        Dave

        happylily


           

          Indeed. Just something to help make us old folks feel better about ourselves. Presumably some calculation like this is used for setting the Boston qualifying standards, so there's that. There must be other things, but I don't know what they are.

           

          The fact that there are huge physiological differences between men and women, maybe?

          PRs: Boston Marathon, 3:27, April 15th 2013

                  Cornwall Half-Marathon, 1:35, April 27th 2013

          18 marathons, 18 BQs since 2010

             

            The fact that there are huge physiological differences between men and women, maybe?

            What is this comment in response to?

            Dave

            happylily


              What is this comment in response to?

               

              This calculator also makes comparisons between women and men and their results, at any age. Very useful.

              PRs: Boston Marathon, 3:27, April 15th 2013

                      Cornwall Half-Marathon, 1:35, April 27th 2013

              18 marathons, 18 BQs since 2010

              wcrunner2


              Are we there, yet?

                Can someone explain in small words, what the age equivalent is good for?  Yeah, so if I had been running at age 30, I could have done a HM in 1:39.  So?

                 

                Although it may be fun to see what your equivalent is at a different age, I find it more useful in comparing races at different distances. Being based more on empirical results rather than a formula, I think it is also more accurate. It is also useful in comparing gender results. We know happylily is fast for her age and gender, but just how fast is the male equivalent? Her PR at the 2013 Boston marathon is the equivalent of a 3:02:15 for a man her age. It is also the equivalent of a 2:47:38 for a man in the open AG or 3:01:43 for a woman in the open AG.

                 

                For those of us who have been running long enough that age is a factor in race times, it tells me whether I'm running better or worse than I was 5 or 10 or 50 years ago.

                 2024 Races:

                      03/09 - Livingston Oval Ultra 6-Hour, 22.88 miles

                      05/11 - D3 50K
                      05/25 - What the Duck 12-Hour

                      06/17 - 6 Days in the Dome 12-Hour.

                 

                 

                     

                   

                  This calculator also makes comparisons between women and men and their results, at any age. Very useful.

                   

                  Well of course I understand the concept. For me I just consider it not particularly useful (other than the one thing I mentioned), but rather just somewhat interesting.

                   

                  MTA: 3:16 marathon - interesting! 

                  Dave

                  Slymoon Runs


                  race obsessed

                    Age grade - what's the use?

                     

                    as WC stated you can compare your current running to running years back.

                     

                    Also - rare, but there are race events that only have overall placement.

                    Gender and age are ignored in placement, instead place is determined solely by Age-grade.

                     

                    There is a 64 yo lady in our training group that would finish a solid mid pack but age grading would not just beat me but slaughter everyone in the group. Last I checked she was in or ear 90th percentile.

                    As a comparison I run 75-79.9 percentile depending on distance.

                    happylily


                       

                      Well of course I understand the concept. For me I just consider it not particularly useful (other than the one thing I mentioned), but rather just somewhat interesting.

                       

                      MTA: 3:16 marathon - interesting! 

                       

                      It's useful to me in the sense that within our group of runners, which is made up of men and women of different ages, it tells me if my efforts in training and racing are acceptable or not. If I were at the bottom, I would want to know why. There are many factors other than age and gender. I would wonder if my weight is working against me, if my mileage is too low, if my pain threshold is not high enough, etc... You can only know that you have to make changes to your training when you compare yourself to others. And you can't always compare yourself to someone of your gender who is of the exact same age... So to me, this calculator is useful, not just a thing used for bragging.

                      PRs: Boston Marathon, 3:27, April 15th 2013

                              Cornwall Half-Marathon, 1:35, April 27th 2013

                      18 marathons, 18 BQs since 2010


                      No more marathons

                        Can someone explain in small words, what the age equivalent is good for?  Yeah, so if I had been running at age 30, I could have done a HM in 1:39.  So?

                         

                        George (wcrunner) and I are both old pharts, so we can use these calculators to tell us how close we are to racing at a time when we were setting real PR's and not just age related PRs.  For instance, I ran a 22:03 5K last weekend.  At age 64 that equates to a 17:07 for when I was in my prime.  I compare that to my overall PR of 16:53 and I know I have some improvement to realistically expect.

                        Boston 2014 - a 33 year journey

                        Lordy,  I hope there are tapes. 

                        He's a leaker!

                        onemile


                           

                          Well of course I understand the concept. For me I just consider it not particularly useful (other than the one thing I mentioned), but rather just somewhat interesting.

                           

                          MTA: 3:16 marathon - interesting! 

                           

                          Look, maybe it's not useful to you but some of us use it to feel better about ourselves.  Even though we know running the 'equivalent' of a sub-3 marathon isn't as impressive as actually running one.  


                          Hip Redux

                             

                            It's useful to me in the sense that within our group of runners, which is made up of men and women of different ages, it tells me if my efforts in training and racing are acceptable or not. If I were at the bottom, I would want to know why. There are many factors other than age and gender. I would wonder if my weight is working against me, if my mileage is too low, if my pain threshold is not high enough, etc... You can only know that you have to make changes to your training when you compare yourself to others. And you can't always compare yourself to someone of your gender who is of the exact same age... So to me, this calculator is useful, not just a thing used for bragging.

                             

                            The part in bold is exactly why these calculators are useless in comparing to others, IMO.  Too many factors, most of which are not age or sex.

                             

                            And I would think comparing your results to your own prior results would be more meaningful than comparing to someone else.

                             

                            happylily


                               

                              The part in bold is exactly why these calculators are useless in comparing to others, IMO.  Too many factors, most of which are not age or sex.

                               

                              And I would think comparing your results to your own prior results would be more meaningful than comparing to someone else.

                               

                              Maybe you're right. But in a race, for me, it will always be about comparing myself to others. I use the ranking for that, but when comparing myself to others who have not done the same race, I have no choice but to use the calculator. As we can see here, some people choose to disregard those types of calculators and others choose to use them. I guess whatever is an advantage to us is what we choose to believe in.

                              PRs: Boston Marathon, 3:27, April 15th 2013

                                      Cornwall Half-Marathon, 1:35, April 27th 2013

                              18 marathons, 18 BQs since 2010

                              Cyberic


                                Work in progress. If you have comments/suggestions about the classification of the links... feel free to share them. It might make sense to me too. Or not.

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