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Tuesday, January 12 (Read 44 times)

LRB


     

    And tempo pace can be anywhere from 8k pace to marathon pace depending on how you define it, how long you are spending at that pace, and what coach you are using, right?

     

    Correct. You are doing a good job of keeping up. Smile

    bluerun


    Super B****

       

      Right, tempo IS a pace, and two different ones at that (depending on which plan you're following). But it's also a type of run, again, depending on whom you are following. So just to confuse the hell out of everyone, you could have a steady state run that is not a tempo run, because it was not at tempo pace, or an interval run at tempo pace which technically IS a tempo run since, well, you are running, or none of the above depending on how you set-up your log.  

       

      Per McMillan, "steady state" pace and "tempo" pace are not the same thing.  So that part isn't confusing at all.  But you lost me after that. 

      chasing the impossible

       

      because i never shut up ... i blog

      onemile


         

        Yes. But for a given coach/plan, I do think tempo refers to a specific pace, right? I am a noob so that's just my understanding.

         

        Anyhoo, I just want the description to be specific enough for me so I can go back & see what kind of paces I ran for previous workouts with similar intent. I then put specific distances in the notes, i.e. 6x800 or 8 MP.

         

        No, not necessarily. It depends on the length of the tempo. If I am doing a 3 mile tempo it would be at a different pace than a 6 mile tempo.

         

        And if you switch up plans, then tempo for one cycle might be different than tempo for a cycle using a different plan/coach.

        DavePNW


           

          Right, tempo IS a pace, and two different ones at that (depending on which plan you're following). But it's also a type of run, again, depending on whom you are following. So just to confuse the hell out of everyone, you could have a steady state run that is not a tempo run, because it was not at tempo pace, or an interval run at tempo pace which technically IS a tempo run since, well, you are running, or none of the above depending on how you set-up your log.  

           

          Well I never classified Hansons tempo as a tempo run, I just called it "w/MP miles". Because I never bought into calling MP pace "tempo".

           

          BTW, the word tempo now looks funny to me having written it so many times.

          Dave

          LRB


              But you lost me after that. 

             

            AKA winning. Big grin

            onemile


              How would you log cruise intervals?

              BerthaSlayer


              MM#5991

                I now subscribe to the "just run" mentality.

                 

                This thread hurts my brain.

                Lori

                *it's Bertha or me. My money is on me.*

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                LRB


                   

                  Well I never classified Hansons as tempo as a tempo run, I just called it "w/MP miles". Because I never bought into calling MP pace "tempo".

                   

                  BTW, the word tempo now looks funny to me having written it so many times.

                   

                  If I understand it correctly, a MP run IS a tempo run when following the Hansons.

                  DavePNW


                     

                    No, not necessarily. It depends on the length of the tempo. If I am doing a 3 mile tempo it would be at a different pace than a 6 mile tempo.

                     

                    And if you switch up plans, then tempo for one cycle might be different than tempo for a cycle using a different plan/coach.

                     

                    The second sentence was my point regarding "for a given coach/plan".

                     

                    But if the first sentence is correct, then I don't know what I'm talking about. If it is not correct, I still don't know what I'm talking about.

                    Dave

                    bluerun


                    Super B****

                      How would you log cruise intervals?

                      chasing the impossible

                       

                      because i never shut up ... i blog

                      DavePNW


                         

                        If I understand it correctly, a MP run IS a tempo run when following the Hansons.

                         

                        Yes. I just did not log it as such. I went for a long time without logging anything as a tempo run, as what I generally consider tempo pace (something between 10k & HM pace) is not used in Hansons.

                        Dave

                        DavePNW


                          How would you log cruise intervals?

                           

                          If I did them, as cruise intervals.

                          Dave

                          onemile


                             

                            If I understand it correctly, a MP run IS a tempo run when following the Hansons.

                             

                            There is a chart in the Daniel's book where it shows the corresponding pace to distance for tempo runs. Once it reaches a certain length, it does intersect with MP right? Hansons is based on Daniels.

                            LRB


                              How would you log cruise intervals?

                               

                              As a tempo run. For the sole fact that these are usually at 5 minute intervals (for me), which is usually HMP or 10k pace where you are in fact, "cruising".

                              bluerun


                              Super B****

                                I'm starting to regret asking this question.

                                chasing the impossible

                                 

                                because i never shut up ... i blog