Executive Summary
3:33:30. Missed goal of BQ (3:30), but 7 min PR.
Marathons are still dumb.
Background
My 6th marathon. Previous attempts at 3:30:
In both races I ran, I felt my training was pretty strong. In both cases I started at goal pace, and finished with big positive splits. No way to tell whether the injury/illness was a big factor, or I just didn't have the fitness, or some of both.
Training
Previously I used a Hansons-based schedule, with their quality workouts, but a bunch of extra miles including added long runs, and fast finish LRs the last time. Ended up at about 60-70mpw on 6 days. This time I decided to try Pfitz; used the 18/70 plan, and pretty much stuck to it as written. Some comments (long boring if you DGAF about marathon training):
It looked pretty brutal on paper, but didn't kill me, and if anything I felt a bit less beat up than previous training cycles. I would do it again, if I ever decide to run one of these stupid things again.
The Race
Pretty much all of my training has been in stereotypical PNW weather - 40-50 degrees (for pre-dawn runs) and intermittent drizzle. Of course race day was going to be warm and sunny. Fortunately started at 7AM, when it was about 50; expected to warm up to 78, but probably only low-mid 60's by the time I finished. But in full sun in the later miles, 60's can get kind of warm. (Laugh away, hot weather runners.)
I planned to go out at 7:50-7:55 pace, for a 3:27: xx finish, to try to get enough cushion to get into Boston. I wasn't too sure I had it, but decided there was only one way to find out.
Miles 1-12: Pretty uneventful. Who ever remembers the early miles of a marathon anyway. That big hill at mile 4-5 didn't seem as bad as it looks, probably because it was at mile 4. But it did slow me a bit.
1 - 7:52
2 - 7:45
3 - 7:54
4 - 8:06
5 - 8:05
6 - 7:48
7 - 7:50
8 - 7:53
9 - 7:59
10 - 7:53
11 - 7:45
12 - 7:51
13 - 7:57
First half split - 1:42:41, 7:50 avg (actually the mat was at 13 for some reason, even though there was a sign for 13.1)
Miles 14-21: This is where things started to slow down a bit. As I usually do, I blame the hills. Miles 13-19 were through Point Defiance Park, which is really nice. And the road was mostly tree-covered, so it was cool & shady. However it was pretty much continuous hills. Most were not too bad, but it's at the point in the race where they become more difficult to recover from, and you can't make up for them on the downhills. Somewhere in there I realized my goal was out the window.
14 - 8:12
15 - 8:17
16 - 8:17
17 - 8:11
18 - 7:57
19 - 8:34
20 - 8:17
21 - 8:22
Mile 22-26.2: Hanging on. After coming out of Point Defiance Park around 19, I was feeling pretty fatigued. (I specifically recall my first f-bomb uttered when looking at the pace on my watch at 18.64.) The remainder is through the city, which was generally pretty flat, but in full sun. It got pretty ragged. I will say that compared to the last two marathons, the pace change was not as severe (hey, I kept it under 9:00!), and I felt a bit more in control. But that was all I had.
22 - 8:45
23 - 8:57
24 - 8:42
25 - 8:55
26 - 8:41
0.2 - 6:55 (ha)
Second half split - 1:50:49, 8:28 avg (8 min positive)
Finish time: 3:33:30, 8:09 avg
OA: 42/462
AG 4/31 - Awards were 5 deep, woo hoo! So I will apparently get something, whenever they decide to mail it to me.
Not the way you want to finish a race (although I don't know any other way), but I feel pretty good about the PR and AG placing. And while I'm definitely sore, I don't feel like I completely destroyed myself like I did the last two times.
Postmortem
Marathoning is hard, and BQing is even harder. This was a tough course I guess, but it's pretty difficult to get everything all lined up together - course, weather, physical condition, and any other extenuating circumstances. I'm not sure what it'll take for me to get there. Maybe just another cycle, or maybe not. I'd certainly like to get it, but it's not life or death. For now I'd like to take some time to focus on shorter distances for a while, then we'll see.
Dave
Getting everything aligned perfectly is definitely the hard part: course, weather, health and a good cycle. Hills are a killer. Each hill drains a little of your energy until you have nothing left. That is my opinion on the stupid things, anyways.
I share your opinion on the Hansons strength runs. I was doing them at mp-15 to mp-20 this last cycle and still didn't know what I was trying to achieve with them. Pfitz looks very hard to me, but seems to work well.
You made it through this cycle like a boss, and ran a huge PR. Congratulations, Dave.
Congrats on the AG placing and PR. I think that course looks pretty brutal, to me hills and sun/heat are an awful combination. Putting that at the end of a marathon is just plain cruel. Yesterday you mentioned the positive split, my uneducated opinion is that a negative split on that course would potentially leave time on the first half. To knock several minutes off your PR says your fitness has improved.
on my way to badass
I think if I had run a marathon it would be days(a week?) before I turned out a RR like that.
Wonderful PR and AG award! You are so close to that BQ. I am conflicted about encouraging you to press on, or declare marathons are stoopid. Can you look for a race that is flatter?
Still waiting for the perfect race picture. 5K PR-33:52 , 10K PR 1:11:16, First HM 2:42:28
Warm&fuzzy
That's a damn good race! A PR is a great thing.
Runner with a riding problem.
delicate flower
Nice job, DaveP! Right around top 10% in both AG and OA...nothing too shabby about that at all! You are so close....BQ is right there, man. One Pfitz cycle got you a 7 minute PR. Another Pfitz cycle and you'll kill it. Don't underestimate how much the late race hills and heat took out of you, particularly if you have not been running in any warmer weather lately.
BQ your next marathon, then I'll be BQ mine, and the Boston 2018 FE will be the greatest ever.
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Are we there, yet?
Congrats on the PB. You took a calculated risk that didn't quite pan out. The course doesn't look too bad, and those late hills will give you a sense of what Boston is like once you do get your BQ.
2024 Races:
03/09 - Livingston Oval Ultra 6-Hour, 22.88 miles
05/11 - D3 50K 05/25 - What the Duck 12-Hour
06/17 - 6 Days in the Dome 12-Hour.
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Well done, Dave. It sounds like you ran a good race, but that sun can be brutal even if it's not exactly "hot." A seven minute PR is awesome so screw the 8 minute positive split, that means nothing. How was the crowd support? Recover nicely and get some PRs at the other distances.
A PR is a great thing.
Says the guy whose initials are PR.
Like I said on the team page, you did awesome Dave. You seriously crushed that PR and I'm sure you have the BQ in you. I bet if you rest up, enjoy the shorter distances for awhile, then get back to it in the fall or next spring you will get it. congrats again!
PRs:
5k - 22:53 (May 2015)
10k - 50:00 (unofficial; part of 20k race, March 2015); 50:33 (official; July 2016)
HM - 1:48:40 (Apr. 2015)
You probably would have gotten your BQ on a flat course, cool day. And while you can't control 100% what race day gives, there are a lot of things you can do to increase your odds of having fast conditions. This is why I have run IMM so many times. November race has a better chance of being cold than Chicago or Milwaukee which are both closer. It's also pancake flat.
Anyway, you had a big PR so congrats for that! And you will get the BQ soon. Are you planning to run a fall marathon?
Former Bad Ass
Nice job, Dave! I think your time is very good considering that elevation. That looks almost as brutal as the Pig I ran yesterday (no BQ or PR attempt for me, thankfully). Chin up! Your current training shows improvement as compared to prior ones. You will get your BQ!
Damaris
I think it's normal to be disappointed in falling short of your goal, especially when you invest as much time and effort as we do with running. You are still improving though (your training paces and race times confirm this), so the final chapter in your book has yet to be written. Imagine then looking back someday and seeing an hour improvement between your first marathon and your last (hey, I said IMAGINE!). To use a baseball analogy; swing for the fences, then if you end up on third base instead, well dammit, that's all right too.
Healed Hammy
You put a lot of time and effort into this cycle as noted from the dailies. Do not be discouraged. I wanted to offer one thought although keep in mind you have more marathon experience than I.
When running up a hill we tend to try an keep even effort. I get that and it is not that hard. Shorter strides, controlled breathing, not pushing off the back foot as much, etc. Our paces decrease accordingly. Where I differ with many is on the downhills. I was a pretty good HS runner and would make up huge times on the downhills. In my last marathon this worked perfectly for me (see I am laying down my few credentials, lol). At the crest of the hill we slow down, catch our breath and try to get back to normal rhythm. To the opposite I open my stride up, thus covering more ground with the same cadence. I try to bounce a little to let gravity pull me. Thus I end up covering the downside faster, with fewer steps eventually my breathing slows down. Common technique is to try and bring your breathing down immediately at the crest.
Would that have helped you? Dunno. I suggest that you might have picked up 1min or so by pushing it a bit harder on the downhills. Its mental but I think it might help.
Gratz again, perhaps concentrate on some 5 & 10ks over the summer to help speed, and ramp up for a fall BQ. Its in you.
Not a BQ, but a fantastic job nonetheless. A 7 min PR is awesome, especially with a hilly course and sub-optimal weather. And, very, very nice to finish in the awards as well!
It looks like you trained as hard as you could and raced as hard as you could. Well done!
Life is good.
Nice job, DaveP! Right around top 10% in both AG and OA...nothing too shabby about that at all! You are so close....BQ is right there, man. One Pfitz cycle got you a 7 minute PR. Another Pfitz cycle and you'll kill it. Don't underestimate how much the late race hills and heat took out of you, particularly if you have not been running in any warmer weather lately. BQ your next marathon, then I'll be BQ mine, and the Boston 2018 FE will be the greatest ever.
All of this except for me BQing.